cost is the main one.

Winning football is close behind it.

The pies are shite too.

Oh and some heaters in the town end for cold days would be nice

give us back the rink end

Fully fully agree. This would be a really positive move for the club to make. We'd have an end where noise could be made, it'd increase the matchday atmosphere and more youngsters would be inclined to go so they could have a bit more of a sing song. The club could trial it against someone where we're not expecting many opposition fans and just shove them in the CK seats.

Ps- if anyone wants a return train ticket to London then pm me. £29 ono. Leave saturday morning, return Sunday morning. Hotel accomodation available too if you're not a nutter!

i agree too only pools have already said it cant happen this season as they have to tell the fa in advance where the away fans will go and cant change it during the season.

Lets see what the genuine and real fans come up with to get the stay aways back because from some of the posts i've read the stay away fans are shiite fans and not welcome.

Why do you assume that supporting a football team should be the number one priority in everyone's life, tho, Mouldy? Surely most people support many 'concerns', including their families, but can't afford to subscribe to all of them?
Therefore they have to make decisions about what to spend their money on, and their decisions might vary from week to week according to circs. Doesn't mean they're 'shiite fans'.

These superfans you talk of see no problems at pools because there heads are wedged up Hodcroft Backside and dare not say to much in case they fall out at the club and will not be welcome no more.

ohhhhh a bit of sense spoken, finally!

Tell you what is funny the club are asking for a united front by the fans and the fans are at each other already..

you know what i think part of the problem is.....These......message boards.

People can whip up a state of hysteria in minutes.

Take saturdays match as an example, we won without playing well yet everyone is booting off like its the end of the world. This wouldnt happen if message boards didnt exist. You get people who love stirring it up too.

Bunker out!

Sly dig its an open message board.

Committed and puzzled fans who called other fans not genuine and true supporters as you did.

I'm sure shamrock/MOD would love to go back to the days of winding up orders, a team full of kids, players not being paid and getting tonked six nowt every other week

Do tell me about this magical time when the board at Pools mad you as a fan feel good?

If you feel so strongly resign and stop posting then

I'll go know the clique are falling in line and i'm just one voice crying in the darkness just one voice.

you wish!

this is a cracking message board though at the moment - no arguments about that!!!!

Apart from the fact that grabec has misunderstood Mouldys context. [/quote]

This is too deep for me.

I think each one of us can only talk for ourselves, and we spend our money according to our financial situation. I go to Pools both home and away where and when I can, although I am currently boycotting any ground that charges more than us. That may change, but not at the moment, especially as the manager seems to think we have no right to win at these "big" clubs who charge "big" money.
I don't understand this superfan category.
I have an opinion and I say it as I see it and I'm certainly not up anyone's arse.
Everyone knows my stance on the management at Pools............we need a manager, not a director of sport who is acting as a manager. Especially a DOS who is tactically clueless.
As for attracting back the missing fans...........Pools need to address what caused these fans to go missing in the first place but once people stop going it is got to be something special to get them back.
A wind of change needs to blow through the town and through the club. People need to feel that they are part of club that is seen to be going places. IOR have done immeasurable good for the club and the town but they need to lead from the front in demonstrating that the club hasn't developed into a cosy little clique and get back the town's interest and backing. What they have created is now the "norm" and people have got used to it.
A major spark or catalyst is needed to re ignite the passion.

Well, I came into it half way through, apparently. My reply to Mouldy applies to whoever said it, then. Sorry, Mouldy. Or something.

I don' think for one moment anyone's had a go at the owners for their financing of the club. The only accusation that can be made at them is they have given a budget to spend on players to the wrong man. Their belief in Turner is a misguided one in my opinion.
That is what people are pissed off about, so far as I can see.

Well, anyway, I can live with 'not being a genuine fan', personally. It fits very well alongside all the other things I'm not.

We need a new Peter Beardsley.

I've only got so far as reading the intro stuff to the Pools book but IOR's intention when signing Beardsley was to spark interest in the club and get people through the gate.

As the gates have now dropped off a new spark is needed. Can Uncle Ken go back to the superstar tree and get us another Peter Beardsley, Jan Ove Pedersen, Gordon Watson or Marco Gabbiadini?

maybe that was what they were trying to do when they tried to get healey?

Chip is clearly having a problem understanding that no-one is non attending purely because of Turner. He even says his daughter is attending because of financial reasons, I just hope he hasn't told her to fuck off.

What the hell is a genuine fan ???????
I was away for the new year visiting family, a trip that was arranged when I found out that Jan 2nd was to be free. Lo and behold the Oldham game was re arranged.
I set off at 6-50 am to get back to the Vic, got there at 2-35 pm in time for the match, having fought my way through some horrific conditions.
When people heard what I was attempting, apart from the usual " you must be mad" comments, all of them agreed that here was a genuine fan of a real football club.
Was I mad???? Am I a genuine fan????
Nah, I'm just a Poolie...........albeit a fanatical one.

Apparently it's somebody who earns £12k a year in a call centre but spends all of their free time and money following Pools all around the country.

Hope that helps.

Ah.....right.......thanks.

[x] funny

I can remember a similar long thread from ages ago...when it was being debated who had stopped going to matches, for what reason, and whether they're justified in not going.

Tom pie's very sage contribition was simply: 'people do what they want'.
You can see why he's stopped posting!

People will do what people will do..............usually through choice and for whatever reason. As we all like to do that it really is not on to criticise others for following their chosen path..........as long as it is legal of course.
I can fully understand some people's stance on Turner...he sure frustrates the hell out of me at times.
The difference is of course that there will be an end to Turner's regime, whereas it will take a wooden box to stop me being a Poolie.

The thing is people are actually bragging at the fact that they are not going or dont plan to go to anymore games until either the manager is sacked or the football improves

Apparently Mr MOD once had a season ticket for a team that plays in black and white not too far from here.
And its not Darlo!!

ive been going home and away for 35 years now i dont class myself as a super fan and im certainly not up anyones arse for me hodcroft isnt intrested or cares what we think and loads of my mates wont go till ct leaves or goes back upstairs

Can you let Mr Fireball know what the best night to catch you and your mates in the club is so that he can come in and explain to them why he thinks that they're all pricks?

Ta.

If you averaged out how many times I'd been to watch Sunderland in the last 10 years it'd probably work out at around 0.3 games per season.

Although I've never missed a Pools home game just cos it was on the telly and I'd rather save my money- so I'll see your and raise you a

Come on I don't think chip meant it that way.
Talk about stirring it.
If people are not going then they are not supporting the club in the most beneficial way; (unless they are buying a pools shirt every week).
I sympathise with people who can't afford to go or are unable to go because of work or other things planned.
Other than that what's the point!!!
They come back when turner goes until they dislike the next guy trying to do the job.
Honestly, it's like being back at primary school with some people on here.
Jesus wept :)

im in club every night mr ripper and ive even called my mates for not going i want ct to leave but i will never stop going to my church

Can someone e-mail Pools and say this....

'Tell Mr.Turner to stop bigging up the opposition before a ball is kicked'!!!!

Cos I can't be arsed!!!!

But imagine how the Players feel when he comes out with shite like that!!!!

PS....I wonder if the Leeds manager came out with something similar before the Man.U game!?!?

Do you stand at the back of the Town End, near the 'scoreboard' corner, and speak with a scottish brogue or stand with someone with that particular accent? Someone behind me on Saturday was talking about coming back from their New Year away to get back in time for the match, not that I was eavesdropping like.

You are right Ralf i did but did the person who told you that tell you i had a pools season ticket as well.
Worked till 1-00 oclock every Saturday and could not travel so pools were away when newcastle were at home does this make me even less of a fan.
cheap shot Ralf would not of expected that from you.

Out of order Ralf!

Ralf i am shocked at you

ralf little?

Me to.

No mate....last time I stood in the town end was when we played Scarborough.

Even better starting a Newcastle supporters club in Hartlepool with buses to home and away games.

I don't post very often (but read the board a lot!) - I reckon I'm one of the fans the club are talking about.

I've been a supporter since 1984, I've had a season ticket for 5 of the last 10 years, and the other 5 years I went to at least 95% of the games, including many, many away games - even Macclesfield on a freezing February night not so long back.

Until this year. I haven't been since the Burnley cup game - and here's why:

It's dull. It's simply not value for money or - without wanting to sound pompous - worthy of my spare time. I have 2 days off from a stressful job a week, like most people do. I'm not willing to spend an entire Saturday afternoon on watching poor, long-ball football when I know we capable of entertaining, exciting, effective football that both gets us good results AND entertains.

I know the arguments are going to be "if you want entertainment, go to the cinema" or along those lines, but lets go back a few years to - yes here's his name inevitably mentioned - the Cooper years, or Turner's first reign. Now THAT was something I really looked forward to seeing and wouldn't dream of missing a match, I was counting down the minutes to the next match. I was devastated if we lost - but I usually left the Vic feeling PROUD to be a Poolie even if we did lose. For a long time now all I've felt when leaving the Vic was devastated that I'd spent another 30-odd quid and wasted another few hours of spare time, when I could have been out having a laugh or even watched 10 good DVD's for the cash I'd spent. Strangely, I felt this even if we'd won. Sure, I was chuffed that we'd won, but I didn't feel proud or that we'd won in any of sort of style.

Some of you will probably say "we don't need people like you, I'd rather you did stay at home and watch the bloody DVD's" but the fact is, the club DOES need people like me, and there's literally thousands like me who feel the same and are now voting with their feet.

Earlier in the thread someone asked if we expect Wenger or Mourinho with the crowds we have. No, we want another First-reign Turner, or great find like Cooper, who brings the brand of football back to the Vic that we have become synonomous with over the last decade.

Then I'll be back in my rightful place behind the goal, belting out the songs with pride and passion again, because the players will playing with pride and passion, like they did a couple of years back.

So, I can put my situation down to two things, neither of which will be a surprise to anyone:

1) This is not the main issue, but the cost - it's not worth £20 a game (plus petrol, pie, programme, lottery ticket etc) right now.
2) The management - the way we play is not conducive to attracting crowds or creating atmospheres as we can stay at home and watch paint dry for free.

What's frustrating is that we know how we played the first time under Turner and that it worked. It was ace, we loved it, the attendances soared. So why isn't he trying to recreate it? Perhaps he needs to sit and watch some old Pools World highlights and jump-start his memory on what we were like...

You are a disgrace never come back to pools ever the club does not need fans like you.

Everyones entitled to their opinion.
If there's any negativity on this board it's to do with the people who won't go even if they can yet continue to preach how it used to be.
There's also another 22 teams also wanting a cooper type manager.
Fooking hell they don't grow on trees.
God forbid we end up in the bottom six :)