I've thought about this issue long and hard and the difficult one of the difficult things is the one about being 100% certain. How many people have ended up in prison because the old bill fitted them up?

The other thing is that in a strange way many of these serial killer would PREFER the easy option and to be dead.. ie Shipman and Fred West to name but two that I know of.

Also how is it right for the state to murder someone?



the above quote from the famous executioner sort of sums it up whilst this from his assistant put this in perspective especially the last sentence.



So who's right and who's wrong? I don't know but I do know that I would have to think twice before pressing a button to kill anyone.

It never bothered your Uncle Albert ..

The top quote is attributed to Albert Pierrepoint btw...

Your 'viewpoint' is far from complex, don't flatter yourself. You are merely advocating topping the nasties and 'rehabilitating' the ones you consider appeal to your self professed 'liberal values'.. sadly your 'liberal' values are like those of a vegetarian who only eats meat on a weekend, ...but organic meat at that.
You're either for capital punishment or against it, there is no middle ground.

Simple question.

Why should the Chinese think in Western terms?? What makes the West right and the East wrong?? After all, China's civilisation is 4400 years old and they're influenced by nowt.

It says all over Oriental airport walls, 'if you are carrying illegal drugs you may be sentenced to death.'

And of course, all the drug barons are looking for people who will draw attention to themselves to handle a quarter of a mill at a time...

Why do you represent it as China vs the West? I'd imagine there were several million Chinese who were repelled by that execution, and several million westerners who approved of it.

Your other points have already been covered by BP,Snowy, me et al.

Exactly.

In contrast to Labour's policy to appease and surrender, the Chinese Government acts vigorously to defend its people from the misery caused by Heroin.

It is the height of hypocrisy for the Labour government, the human rights brigade and celebrity loudmouths to lecture China when Britain's own strategy on drugs has failed so disastrously. 

Play with fire.........

Isn't it the case, also, that many people who've actually considered the drug problem argue that many of its pernicious effects would vanish overnight if penalties for drug taking were removed?

I reckon by the number of posts you've made in this thread Chippy you're at the manic end of your bipolar swing.

Accordingly my advice is; don't go to China with a big bag of smack me owld chipolata, you might come to a sticky end.

Which adds to the debate immensely.......

That's his role, light relief.

Good luck chip.
Il let you buy me a pint one day with your winnings :)

Quite untrue and quite offensive really.

Kill the mentally ill? No. But they should be managed in order that they can't cause harm to themselves or other people. The likes of Winterton should never have been closed in favour of Care in the Community.

Disabled folk? You really have got to be joking there for effect otherwise I'd take real offence.

Non-whites? See the comments on disabled folk above.

Lily-livered liberals? Aye. You're probably right on that one. Bin 'em.

I've just been asking you a simple question, stop squirming and answer it. Are you for or are you against capital punishment...? .... just answer the question and I'll stop gnawing at the bone.

Now threr's a surprising fact!!

The debate is of no consequence whatsoever

So..... your suspicion is that wit is intended??

His intention is to be witty, if he achieves it is open to debate.

Im totally against capital punishment because mistakes can happen & taking one innocent life is one too many.
Those coutries that do have it,I just hope that whichever methods they choose are painless & instant.Death is more than sufficient punishment & doesnt need torture to accompany it

But I think you're being too flattering to Frodraff, MJ.....if Monty would come back and ban, say, posters from Cheshire, one could forgive him many things.

Cheese is the only good thing to come out of that county!!

Anyone see the BBC 10:00pm news.

The leading headline was that a British hostage has been released in Iraq.

No mention anywhere of our comrade executed in China, he's soon been forgotten .

Is there anyone who doesn't believe that a UK good news story has been created to kill the bad news of a British national being executed in China.

Don't waste your breath.

I don't. I represent it as The West v China. There's always some bugger spouting western based ideology and saying China should adhere to it. Read the Times or the Telegraph.

Rightly or wrongly, they do what they do and when some pasty faced twat in Downing Street says don't, it clearly means the sum total of nowt in Beijing.

And ever it will be so.

Me, I don't believe this was created, do you think during talks to set the bloke free, the British side said, can you wait until a mentally ill fella gets the bullet in China before you let him go please?

In the spirit of the New Year and new beginnings, perhaps we should end this thread with the following........



But unfortunately because of the suppression of freedom over in China, Spender won't get to see it.





Just for you Kev, the lyrics........


The world today seems absolutely crackers,
With nuclear bombs to blow us all sky high.
There's fools and idiots sitting on the trigger.
It's depressing and it's senseless, and that's why...
I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They only come up to your knees,
Yet they're always friendly, and they're ready to please.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
There's nine hundred million of them in the world today.
You'd better learn to like them; that's what I say.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They come from a long way overseas,
But they're cute and they're cuddly, and they're ready to please.

I like Chinese food.
The waiters never are rude.
Think of the many things they've done to impress.
There's Maoism, Taoism, I Ching, and Chess.

So I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
I like their tiny little trees,
Their Zen, their ping-pong, their yin, and yang-ese.

I like Chinese thought,
The wisdom that Confucious taught.
If Darwin is anything to shout about,
The Chinese will survive us all without any doubt.

So, I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They only come up to your knees,
Yet they're wise and they're witty, and they're ready to please.

All together.

[verse in Chinese]
Wo ai zhongguo ren. (I like Chinese.)
Wo ai zhongguo ren. (I like Chinese.)
Wo ai zhongguo ren. (I like Chinese.)
Ni hao ma; ni hao ma; ni hao ma; zaijien! (How are you; how are you; how are you; goodbye!)

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
Their food is guaranteed to please,
A fourteen, a seven, a nine, and lychees.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
I like their tiny little trees,
Their Zen, their ping-pong, their yin, and yang-ese.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They only come up to your knees...

Just realised this will be wasted on Spender, as he will be out celebrating New Year, as it's after 1am over there. Or he will be sleeping as they don't follow Western conventions, like celebrating New Year on the 31st December/ 1st January, in the Orient.




























Happy New Year Kev.

I'm chuffed that Chips confirmed I'm more liberal than him... well on this subject anyway. ..........

Actually, 'wo ai zhong guo ren' means 'I love Chinese people.'

Maybe it didn't rhyme in the 70's song you quoted.

See what goes with 'di na ma fa hei...'

That's Cantonese.

I'm sure Eric Idle meant 'I love Chinese people' when he wrote it, but as you say it doesn't scan as well!!