i think most of us realise it is pie in the sky
pooliepride has nothing to do with politics
forty or so people help a local band get a record in the charts have some fun along the way and give out some cash to deserving funds
but that is it
even if those same people came out to canvas for you it would be a wasted exercise hence the lack of willing candidates

come on guys pooliepride is not any bigger than that and we all know it

where did i mention labour party ?

still not answered but it will do
Trev the place is finished and the only people to blame are the people who have run it and some that work in it
no! i am not slagging everyone in there off
but the highly publicised retirement of the woman who cooked the books on the hip replacements who has probably retired on a good pension doe's not help the situation
i spoke to one poolie who works there and his opinion was the same that if they can not do basic hand cleaning what chance has a patient got
Mrsa and other similar bugs are hospital bourne bugs and it purely through lack of basic cleanliness which a team visit the wards and clinics daily to show them how and still it is not done
they deserve to lose their jobs

PP...........................It wont.

Well put it this way........................On paper it will look cheaper.

But the proposed Hospital is to have......and I am gusessing a little here.......half the beds Hartlepool General has.........and remember this new place is to serve more than twice as many people.

So.....OK..................BUILD THE NEW ONE................it probably is cheaper.

But when its full................which it will...........permanently............dont squeel.

Hartlepool General Hospital needs to stay.

It should not be a political football.

Neither should it be the subject of a cost/value exercise.

And never did the people that set up the NHS suspect that the Labour party of all party's would sanction such study's.

And even less did they think that Labours rank and file would back them in doing so.

I thought it was a tory policy to put a price on a persons life...............but no, its a Labour policy.

And suddenly labour supporters back the plan.

Have you rank and file labour supporters ever played Lemmings?

Soccerbase????

PP. That's rediculous.

Proof of the cover-up, please.

Are you're claiming medical staff are negligent. Proof again, please.

Take the mountain to mohammed you mean.

Typical selfish fookin yakker.

I thought Peterlee had a hospital.

Strong words there PP.

Whenever I have been in Hospital I have always found the staff thoroughly professional, if a little thin on the ground. Waiting.

This does make you sound like you are defending the labour party.

Rather than fighting for your local hospital.

But Peterlee isn't Trimdon? And that's only a community hospital right? Why can't Peterlee and Trimdon have a full sized super-dooper type hospital? Each? I acknowledge that these are rhetorical questions, but the question I could ask as a yacker, if being mischievous, is to ask why Hartlepool is more special than Peterlee, Wingate, Shotton, Blackhall, Hordon, Murton, Trimdon etc. I'm sure that you could add the sizes of these places together and find large populations. Additionally, when you consider that Easington District has one of the worst health records in the Country, why isn't the new hospital being located there?

Right.

Its about job creation, and profiteering.

Not creating jobs for doctors and nurses.................no way jose.

But creating management jobs.............to manage a bigger budget on less resources.

So.............the land at North Tees and Hartlepool general is sold.

The new site............becomes part of a Big PFI project.

The deal will include the land purchase, the infrastructure works, the building/construction, the maintenance (Probably about 25 years).

The decision makers will justify more staff(Probably nepotism will be rife)
to Manage the PFI.

The cost will be recouped over the 25 years of the agreement plus a huge interest rate. This rate will incorporate the maintenance fee.

So, unless the sale of the land goes towards the new scheme..........a huge chunk of money, essential money will be paid to executives and the PFI funder.

The funder will be a construction firm........probably Laing O'Rourke, in cohoots with a funding arm, usually a development company, and usually part of the same group as the Construction firm.

St Lukes Hospital is a good example.

The bid to build and run it was between 3 Developers.

Equion............Laing O Rourke and its developer.

Innesfree..........Amec and its developer

Interserve..........Interserve was both.

Amec, or Innesfree spent over 500k bidding the job.

They lost out.

But if you consider all three spent that amount.......at least one will recoup that money through the project.

Its obscene money..............and its money wasted.

It certainly wont go to the Hospital for funding.

The hospital will have its budget.

The developer will cream money left right and centre.

In PFI the only winners are the developers.

surely there is a difference between it closing and it relocating.

i can walk there within 10 minutes. it has the nearest free cash point to my front door. it could hardly be better located from my point of view.

however having worked there and at north tees i can appreciate the benefits of amalgamating the two.

if the proposal is to build a super hospital at wynard to cater for the populace currently served by hartlepool and north tees then i have yet to read a worthwhile reason for anyone to oppose that.

p.p.s actually thinking about that, forget it. i dont want to open up the old "you havent got enough i.d to buy a ticket debate. "