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 Post subject: Re: Should Nick Griffin
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:31 pm 
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After all this debate, QT will probably pass off quite peacefully.


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After all this debate, QT will probably pass off quite peacefully.


It's pre-recorded so they might edit out any juicey bits too.

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 Post subject: Re: Should Nick Griffin
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:36 pm 
It'll be on too late for me anyway. I tend to be in bed by 9.30. :evil:


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So if we're sat in a pub before a Pools match and I say that I'm nipping over to the Paki shop for some fags you would want a debate about my reasoning for my choice of language. It'd be a short conversation as the reason would be no more complicated than the fact that the shop was owned / run by a Paki therefore meaning that my description would be correct.


I'm not convinced it would be that short a conversation given that most corner shops in Hartlepool/England are not run by people from Pakistan.


Am still yet to be convinced on this. :wink:


Convinced on what? That if a shop is run by a Paki it is a Paki shop?

Your statement about the proportion run by Pakis is somewhat puzzling in that nobody in their right mind would describe the likes of Gillens or the newsagent on York Road as Paki shops. Charlies on the other hand is a Paki shop and is generally described by some people as such.

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 Post subject: Re: Should Nick Griffin
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:47 pm 
I thought it was a convenience store.


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Iphoned Virgin once to alter my TV and the bloke who answered told me his name was Gary and asked me how the weather was in Hartlepool, I said where he was will be a sight warmer ... and are you really called Gary...he said... 'It's raining in Swansea'. I'd assumed he was asian and his Welsh accent sounded deceptively so...Silly thing sometimes assumption.

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what a very interesting and thought provoking thread. A very good 5 minute read.

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 Post subject: Re: Should Nick Griffin
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:48 pm 
[quote="Snowy"].he said... 'It's raining in Swansea'. I'd assumed he was asian



But surely that was the wrong answer if you'd asked him about the temperature where he was.........increasing the likelihood of English not being his first language? sctatchinghead


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.he said... 'It's raining in Swansea'. I'd assumed he was asian



But surely that was the wrong answer if you'd asked him about the temperature where he was.........increasing the likelihood of English not being his first language? sctatchinghead


I thought that we'd just established that the guy was a Taff? sctatchinghead

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 Post subject: Re: Should Nick Griffin
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:51 pm 
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Snowy wrote:
.he said... 'It's raining in Swansea'. I'd assumed he was asian



But surely that was the wrong answer if you'd asked him about the temperature where he was.........increasing the likelihood of English not being his first language? sctatchinghead


I thought that we'd just established that the guy was a Taff? sctatchinghead


But Welsh people don't speak English at all. Everyone knows that.


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 Post subject: Re: Should Nick Griffin
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:54 pm 
I think we have to assume that Snowy was calling his boy-friend, Gary, and that this is all an elaborate cover-up.


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I accept that 'Paki' is a derogatory term but as it's short for Pakistani, does that mean we should be offended if someone calls us a 'Brit' as that's short for British. sctatchinghead


Spot on that comment.
That's the way I think but due to this PC culture it's difficult to go out in public and ask that question (in my opinion).


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Anyone for a CHINKYS tonight... :shock: bbolt

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I think we have to assume that Snowy was calling his boy-friend, Gary, and that this is all an elaborate cover-up.
News to me, but it explains a few things. :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Should Nick Griffin
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:04 pm 
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Anyone for a CHINKYS tonight... :shock: bbolt


Aye, I think I'll probably have one...... :grin:

And if she calls me 'lao wei,' I doubt I'll be running for the courts and telling them how I feel demeaned and hurt and I couldn't work for seven months, and I got depressed and my culture is worthless and it was horrible and..sob...sob...I just hate my life.....since she called me 'lao wei....'

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not many folks in Swansea speak Welsh - however go another 15 miles west to Carmarthen and the locals there will oblige in the national lingo

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GroovyCrimes wrote:
kev_hufc wrote:
PoolieBarnes wrote:
I accept that 'Paki' is a derogatory term but as it's short for Pakistani, does that mean we should be offended if someone calls us a 'Brit' as that's short for British. sctatchinghead


Spot on that comment.
That's the way I think but due to this PC culture it's difficult to go out in public and ask that question (in my opinion).


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If you disagree with what i've said why not use words rather than pictures? I don't know what your thinking from that.


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 Post subject: Re: Should Nick Griffin
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:25 pm 
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not many folks in Swansea speak Welsh - however go another 15 miles west to Carmarthen and the locals there will oblige in the national lingo



One of the most boil my piss waste of money things in Great Britain are fooking road signs in Wales. For example Wrexham/Wrecsam. It's like they've let a dyslexic have a go for a laugh then corrected them. If you are Welsh then theirs every chance you hate the English sorry can spell the place where you live in English. What's the point??

One day I will go to Wales and cross out every piece of pointless Welsh on a road sign. I will you know. As for that dead long named place Gloglogsheepshaggingleekmunchingenglsihhatingglapglopglogglog or whatever it's called how much did that road sign cost?


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kev_hufc wrote:

If you disagree with what i've said why not use words rather than pictures? I don't know what your thinking from that.


Im thinking Ive heard it lots of times before & its boring & predictable.
The term 'Paki' has always been used as a derogatory term for Asians.Asians find the term to be derogatory & insulting therefore its not the same as using the term 'Brit'.
Its got nothing to do with PC at all its about common manners & respect.

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PJP surely if you are going to wales to cross out pointless bits of road signs you should be crossing out the english bits not the welsh bits. Huh!


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The term 'Paki' has always been used as a derogatory term for Asians.Asians find the term to be derogatory & insulting therefore its not the same as using the term 'Brit'.


I seem to remember that it was used quite extensively in N Ireland as an insult, usually as 'Brits out'


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The term 'Paki' has always been used as a derogatory term for Asians.Asians find the term to be derogatory & insulting therefore its not the same as using the term 'Brit'.


I seem to remember that it was used quite extensively in N Ireland as an insult, usually as 'Brits out'


So do you find the word 'Brit' demeaning ?

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 Post subject: Re: Should Nick Griffin
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:48 pm 
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Be allowed to appear on Question Time?


I'll answer now without reading any other reply....

Yes he should be allowed!!!!


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:48 pm 
PS....

Now I will read the rest of the Thread!!!! :)

BTW....where's the Smilies???? ?(


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as previously stated tho thatcher banned sinn feinn from being broadcast anywhere on the mainland, despite them being a legitimate political party with democratically elected mp's.

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Given the fact that she was dealing with convicted terrorists that commited atrocities against Britain i'd say that's fair play.

Unlike Labour who only the other week had Martin McGuinness as a guest at the party conference at The Grand Hotel, Brighton. Remember? The one the I*A blew to fooking bits?

Better still, why not let one of the Lockerbie bombers free because he's ill?

What's next? Bin Laden round for a scone and a cuppa at No 10 or pie and mash with Gaddafi?

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 Post subject: Re: Should Nick Griffin
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:02 am 
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yeah I have to say I wont just let people use words and comments like that in my presence I will confront them about why they are using them and the reasoning behind it.


So if we're sat in a pub before a Pools match and I say that I'm nipping over to the Paki shop for some fags you would want a debate about my reasoning for my choice of language. It'd be a short conversation as the reason would be no more complicated than the fact that the shop was owned / run by a Paki therefore meaning that my description would be correct.[/quote]

Or calling a footballer playing for the opposition a 'Nigger' whilst in the Toilets at Half-Time the other week!!!!

Sorry....getting ahead of myself....I promised I wouldn't reply to this Thread until i read it all!!!!

Mr.Ripper....If my brother was still alive....I can bet you a pound to a penny you wouldn't say you were going to the 'Paki' shop if you were near to him!!!!

I fecking BET you!!!! :(

Someone of your intelligence....I think ;)....I'm always shocked with you coming out with words like that!!!! :(


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:04 am 
BTW Ripper....

I would just say....if I was you....

'I'm going to THE Shop to buy some Tabs'!!!!

I might dress like something from the 70's....but it isn't actually the 1970's now!!!!


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:10 am 
One more thing Ripper....

When you get to this SHOP would you say....

A....'20 Tabs please Paki'!!!!

or would you say....

B....'20 Tabs please'!!!!

I reckon it would be the latter like....as I reckon you know that Option 'A' would be 'Slightly' offensive!!!!

But if you would go for option 'A'....let me know next time you go the shop for some Tabs....just so I can watch you shite yourself!!!! hahahahahahaha!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Should Nick Griffin
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:15 am 
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number of people on this board who would call amir khan a paki to his face = 0 imho.


Spot on Mr.Cip!!!! [applauds....etc]!!!!


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Phew....that took some getting through!!!!

But it was worth it!!!! [rollseyeslike]!!!!


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chip fireball wrote:
my point is that there comes a time when people should lose the right to free speech.

Absolute bollocks I'm afraid Mr F. You might disagree with what he's got to say but he's got the right to say it. There are also safeguards in place like 'threatening words and behaviour' or 'racial incitement' etc.


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chip fireball wrote:
full details of griffins all expenses trip to tripoli here mr 3 quid.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real- ... riffin.php


I know. I think your missing my point.

There's no chance at all of me voting BNP but Labour take the moral high ground on Nick Griffin and the BNP, yet let convicted terrorists into their conference and give them freedom of speech in BRITAIN, the very place their "organisation" murdered people.

The subject of the I*A was brought up on QT tonight and the subject was changed quicker than Mr Benn.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:45 am 
Enoch Powell was our MP when we lived in Ulster, he called at our house to get votes an that. Me dad argued with him for ages.

I didn't have a clue what was going on, but! I know we lived on a fenian estate and he's car was going round giving all us kids DUP stickers and we ran in proud as punch of all our new balloons an that only to have em all binned by our parents taig or jehovahs witness alike......


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One more thing Ripper....

When you get to this SHOP would you say....

A....'20 Tabs please Paki'!!!!

or would you say....

B....'20 Tabs please'!!!!

I reckon it would be the latter like....as I reckon you know that Option 'A' would be 'Slightly' offensive!!!!

But if you would go for option 'A'....let me know next time you go the shop for some Tabs....just so I can watch you shite yourself!!!! hahahahahahaha!!!!


I'd be as likely to say "A" as I would be to walk into a shop and say "Hello Mrs White English counter woman".

But whilst we're on the subject if a descriptive word like Paki or whatever is offensive then how about calling somebody ginger? I used to get called all sorts when I was younger (even though my hair isn't ginger) and I hated it. It doesn't bother me now, I couldn't give a fk what people say, but in my opinion there is no difference between the two. How many of you self-righteous preachers of political correctness have never called somebody carrot top, duracell head etc etc.?

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chip fireball wrote:
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my point is that there comes a time when people should lose the right to free speech.

Absolute bollocks I'm afraid Mr F. You might disagree with what he's got to say but he's got the right to say it. There are also safeguards in place like 'threatening words and behaviour' or 'racial incitement' etc.


so you think thatcher was wrong to impose a broadcasting ban on elected sinn feinn mps and remove their right to free speech ?

yes or no ?


From memory what they had to say was broadcast, it was just done using actors voices and no images. Is that removing their right to free speach? Yes or no?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:56 am 
I would say yes and no.


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I wouls say yes and no.


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MutleyRules wrote:
One more thing Ripper....

When you get to this SHOP would you say....

A....'20 Tabs please Paki'!!!!

or would you say....

B....'20 Tabs please'!!!!

I reckon it would be the latter like....as I reckon you know that Option 'A' would be 'Slightly' offensive!!!!

But if you would go for option 'A'....let me know next time you go the shop for some Tabs....just so I can watch you shite yourself!!!! hahahahahahaha!!!!


I'd be as likely to say "A" as I would be to walk into a shop and say "Hello Mrs White English counter woman".

But whilst we're on the subject if a descriptive word like Paki or whatever is offensive then how about calling somebody ginger? I used to get called all sorts when I was younger (even though my hair isn't ginger) and I hated it. It doesn't bother me now, I couldn't give a fk what people say, but in my opinion there is no difference between the two. How many of you self-righteous preachers of political correctness have never called somebody carrot top, duracell head etc etc.?


So in otherwords you wouldn't say 'Paki' to an Asian's face then....thought not!!!! confised :grin:


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So in otherwords you wouldn't say 'Paki' to an Asian's face then....thought not!!!! confised :grin:


I have in the past and I wouldn't completely rule it out in the future depending on the circumstances. :uhoh:

Walking into a shop to buy a pack of fags isn't the circumstances though really, is it? sctatchinghead

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I have in the past and I wouldn't completely rule it out in the future depending on the circumstances. :uhoh:

Walking into a shop to buy a pack of fags isn't the circumstances though really, is it? sctatchinghead


I bet there was at least once that the majority of this board has refered to an Asian person as a paki at some point in their life to their face or not.


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I have in the past and I wouldn't completely rule it out in the future depending on the circumstances. :uhoh:

Walking into a shop to buy a pack of fags isn't the circumstances though really, is it? sctatchinghead


I bet there was at least once that the majority of this board has refered to an Asian person as a paki at some point in their life to their face or not.


Yeah I did. I stopped when I was 12.


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my dad fought in world war 2 against the japanese when we were growing up he wouldnt let us watch any tv with oriental people on it does that make him a racist? he called them every name you can think of


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If he called them racist names then yes.


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If he called them racist names then yes.

yes he did so all the lads who served in burma and witnessed what they did to our boys were racists then i am to sadx


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:31 pm 
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But whilst we're on the subject if a descriptive word like Paki or whatever is offensive then how about calling somebody ginger? I used to get called all sorts when I was younger (even though my hair isn't ginger) and I hated it. It doesn't bother me now, I couldn't give a fk what people say, but in my opinion there is no difference between the two. How many of you self-righteous preachers of political correctness have never called somebody carrot top, duracell head etc etc.?


I heartily agree. The issue of casual cruelty and disrespect to other people is nothing to do with PC. PC just gives people a list (race, disability, gender etc) to tick off. People can then feel virtuous for not being racist or sexist, while all too often venting their spleen on someone else who hasn't got a protective PC-label.


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I have in the past and I wouldn't completely rule it out in the future depending on the circumstances. :uhoh:

Walking into a shop to buy a pack of fags isn't the circumstances though really, is it? sctatchinghead


I bet there was at least once that the majority of this board has refered to an Asian person as a paki at some point in their life to their face or not.


Yeah I have....when I was at school....and I still feel guilty about it to this day!!!! confised
The lad who I called is still a good mate though!!!! :coool:


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my dad fought in world war 2 against the japanese when we were growing up he wouldnt let us watch any tv with oriental people on it does that make him a racist? he called them every name you can think of


My uncle fought in Burma too. His was a pure hatred for what the Japanese did to PoWs. It was the brutality that forged their opinions.


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