A wasted opportunity to have a proper debate to be honest. Would have liked to have seen Ian Hislop on tonight's show (replacing arguably the entire audience for putting forward questions). Generally a very poor episode of Question Time. Audience was dreadful, too much time wasted heckling Griffin & putting forward stupid questions / statements - "Dick Griffin", I mean seriously, why not keep your mouth shut & let people with more incisive intelligent questions have the floor to put the BNP's policies under real scrutiny for the watching public to see. Straw came across even worse than Griffin to me. Warsi was far and away the best panelist and by far the tidiest.

By the way, did they just let the rent a mob in from the streets to compose the audience? That audience has obviously been carefully placed in the studio with ethnics and left wing types. It was little more than a carefully orchestrated public flooging for Griffin.

Overall Griffin did not come off well but I dont think either that the BNP has been damaged by this. For alls it's hype I saw about 10 mins of Griffin looking bad and and about 10 mins of interesting debate. I think people will watch it and see what a set up the whole thing was. Griffin made the best out of a bad situation, he was constantly interrupted and continuously bombarded even after they tried to change the subjects. I think he did ok, but then I'm a right wing Nazi KKK skinhead thug.

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell....thats the last time i watch that shiite!!!

it was just a bunch of people interupting other people whilst not answering the questions asked of them!


rubbish

liked the presenter chap though, he was my favouritest

I think it was totally predictable & a waste of an hour and,for once,agree with Mr I except Im not a right wing nazi kkk skinhead thug,Im an old militant loony leftie instead.
Wasted opportunity,he could have been destroyed but instead it was little more than name calling & jeering

didn't he say Straws dad was a conscientious objector or summat?

I think I'd be one of them too like.........soz

he just couldn't help being controversial could ghe?

I actually laughed at him - not in a bad way - for not keeping schtum


like the gay question, he could've just thought fuck it, tow the party line but no! said summay outrageous and everyone goes mental!

I had to laugh at that point

tuts


I like the gays me, Dale Winton - he's a gay isn't he?!

I like Dale Winton

I thought he handled it well, it was a bit like having a question time on the Bunker and Griffin is POK, every time he opens his mouth he was abused and couldnt say a thing without been interupted and put down and not aloud to speak !

Joking aside i expected more fireworks, he did make himself look a bit of a idiot by not been able to remember saying things and not knowing why he said things about the jews and going on abot the KKK and queers BUT he did make some good points about Immigration and that is what a lot of people a worried about and i did like the way he put Straw down within the first minutes.

It started to bore me a bit towards the end and the only thing that kept me interested was that Barroness's tits, what a cracking pair

i have zero interest in politics, but thought fuck it i'll watch it so i dont miss out on the bunker tomorrow...

But your all right, no one would let him talk, everyone just kept shouting stuff, it was like a childish playground argument over who had the best footy stickers.

I turned off not long after, it started to bore the shit out of me. Expected much better.

just like victoria park during a match

Didn't watch it but it sounds similar to Hislop & Merton on HIGNFY ganging up on Angus Deayton after the News of the World story broke about him snorting coke with prostitutes.

You mean the world didn't end last night? Blimey...

It was a turkey shoot - whilst I don't think Qustion Time should have been allowed to descend into a BNP broadcast, the panel and audience were obviously hand picked to create an as 1-sided debate as possible, hardly democracy.
Would have liked debate on the current news issues, ie post strike, unemployment, rather than the loaded questions re the BNP with politicians trotting out pre-prepared answers to whip audience into further frenzy.
I won't vote BNP, but like Mr I, some of his policies make some sense on the issues the 3 main parties are ignoring, ie immigration, Europe, crime.
Whole thing was summed up by that tw@ Jack Straw who more or less stated the nobody would listen to him or the party - just the kind of 'nanny knows best, let's ignore the masses' crap that is playing into BNP hands - people actually want a say, not be treated like fecking kids.
Fair play to the bloke, least he had the bollox to turn up.

I dunno. There were at least two racists who tried to ask questions.

I think the country is ready for a swing to just right of centre politics at the moment - it's a shame that none of the parties fill this position and are leaving an open field for the BNP.

Last nights QT was disgraceful and it damaged both the program and the alleged impartiality of the BBC. It was obviously a set up from start to finish and Nick Griffin aside I think the big losers last night were the program itself and the Labour party - in particular Jack Straw. A hand picked leftie Islington audience and Dimbleby himself conspired to shatter the years of respect that this program has built up.

I've just had a look at the BBC website and even their headlines are misleading. They quote NG as saying that 'men kissing is creepy' whereas what he actually said was that in the privacy of their own homes they can do what they like but men kissing in the street is creepy. They say that he said that 'all muslims are evil' whereas what he actually did was to quote passages of the Quran which demand violence. No one disputed that these passages exist.

On the BBC message boards the BBC summarises that the overwhelming majority of messages were anti Griffin whereas when you actually look at the message boards they are mostly saying that last nights episode was disgusting, but not because NG was on it but because of the huge bias of the make up of the audience and panel along with the abysmal management of the proceedings by Dimbleby.

I'd like to see a re run but this time lets have a normal audience and base the program in say; Manchester, Leeds, Stoke or Blackburn. If it must be in the South lets have it in Dover. Like it or not, The reason the BNP got so many votes is that Griffin says things that an awful lot of people agree with and its no good making him out to be the boagy man. The main parties had better start listening because theres no point in denying the truth. This country is indeed overcrowded and over run. We do indeed have a problem with foreign criminals. Most people don't want to see two blokes kissing in public and they don't want their kids to be taught that homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality. Also bringing back the troops from Afghanistan would be hugely popular and its Labour not anyone else who have sentenced thousands of young lads to death or maiming by sending them to two illegal and unwinnable wars.

I have to admit that most of the BNP policies I agree with and I'm not alone. I disagree with many of the other things they say but I challenge anyone on here to actually read their manifesto and not find things they go along with.

Top post Mr I.
Got relatives who live in Dover and it would certainly be a good place for a very lively debate, but we can't have that can we, as it would give a balanced view to proceedings and the govt and BBC don't want that.

the bottom line is....industry in this country is f-ucked....and THAT'S when the problems are really gonna start when the likes of Corus finally give up all pretences and ship out of here for good. No manufacturing = no REAL source of income and proper jobs. Teesside is traditionally the world's centre of excellence in the chemical industry yet in 20 years it will be all but gone. Service industry jobs are only as good as the country's manufacturing base. That's where a country's real wealth comes from. Bankers etc wouldn't have anything to speculate on, were it not for manufacturing and goods, and when all of that is done on foreign shores then it is the time to be extremely concerned. The country will go bankrupt over a relatively short period without income, regardless of how powerful our banks are. Who's to say that we will keep any sort of control over foreign manufacturing which has relocated from these shores? The Russians kicked out the western oil companies and enforcibly paid them off - others have followed such as Bolivia and that won't be the end of it by any means.
It's also for this reason that the likes of UK and USA are waging wars to secure oil reserves for the future, because otherwise there could be real trouble ahead.

But isn't that typical of our supposed unbiased television station.The same institution that sacked somebody for an alledged racist remark uttered in the green room of a programme in front of two people and when two supposed stars vilify a well known ( white ) actor on the air waves they are given a tap on the hand and told not to do it again.

It's about time the BBC was made redundant and the tv licence scrapped.

Read what I said rather than what you assume I said.



He specifically said that he does not deny it. As for the Waffen SS, read your history, the Waffen SS were possibly the greatest fighting force ever to wear uniform. They were not the ones in the extermination camps, that were the Allgemeine SS, a different organisation to the Waffen SS hence the difference in the name.


Of course you can apply, whether you get them or not is another matter.


And where did you get this nugget of wisdom from? I've yet to speak to a serving soldier who thinks they are fighting for a good reason. I've met a few who are enjoying the firefights but none who believe they are there for a good reason.



Not even going to bother with this one. I could write a 10 page essay if you like but if you are suggesting that I'm advocating surrendering to terrorist then you are barking up the wrong tree.


Oh do fuck off you daft 'lovely lovely person'. Where did I say that?

as for the bnp's policies on immigration... dont make me laugh. how are they gonna run the nhs once they have sent the 45% of the staff back to where they came from.


I've got a shit load more justification in standing at a war memorial than you or any of your leftie mates. The difference is that I've been there. You ever wiped part of your mates brain off you? Ever been tempted to shoot someone you care about because of the intense pain they were in? Go and spend a time in war then tell me about it because as far as I'm concerned there are those who dream of war and those who have nightmares about war.

As for the rest of the shite you just wrote...

I think last night's question time could have helped Griffin and his henchmen.
I say this because of the typical british attitude of fair play and our desperation to support the underdog.
Like others say the whole thing was a thinly veiled set up orchestrated to isolate the BNP.
However it was so overboard in attempting to demonise Griffin that it will actually get him more sympathy than he deserves.

On the homosexual front, I was recently in London and witnessed two blokes kissing in public and I've got to agree with Griffin on that point. It is creepy and it made me feel sick.
Maybe it is me that is out of step on this issue but I can't help my feeling of deep disgust at witnessing it.

The holocaust



Well it sounds as if he believes it didn't happen

The bloke's a fantasist. He'll say owt to get a vote.

There's hundreds of that breed already sitting in Parliament.

when I got off the bus (which was the train replacement service between Bristol and Newport) in May, a lad ran towards me arms outstretched and I thought, "AHH SHITE"! but he was running towards the bloke behind me. He stuck the lips on him like. The ticket inspector was laughing like f-uck when he seen my kipper !!! I said, "I 'm only jealous nobody came to greet me really"!

Lucky escape mate, but I have it on good authority that you are a handsome dapper sort of chap !!!!!!!

I was quoting nana Royle, and was quite tiddly....

I dont like Dale Winton either

I honestly cant believe that anyone really believes them, wolfves in sheeps clothing as was said last night.

They'd sharp revert to type, and then there'd be hell on IMO.

Link doesn't work.

I got the impression with Griffin that he didn't really care what he said. He knows where his support base is, and that's made up of like-minded people who won't change however much debate there is.

I also always have the impression in debates like this, that in the scores and scores of comments from lots of different people, there'll be 2 or 3 comments that undercut everything else but which get lost in the melee.

Two of these last night were 1) the most casual glimpse of history would be enough to expose racial purity as a total chimera and 2) yes there is a problem arouind immigration but it concerns resources, not race.
IMO, like.

Searchlight!!! oh do so give over. Thats about as unbiased as the BNP website. Show me moderate websites using confirmation not that load of shite. By the way, he accepted on the program that he had said it in his youth but now retracts it. Same I guess as all the ex commies in the Labour party. You are allowed to change your mind and learn or do you still stand by your childhood statements about the tooth fairy and santa?

Nuff said. I'd accept the word of your grandad because he was there but you weren't.

You won't see me giving Nazi salutes either. I know I'm right of centre but I'm not extreme nor do I vote for Mr Griffin et al. I do however believe in looking beyond the headlines and looking for the truth.

Dissappointed with the whole programme why did the other panelist not challenge him on his views on eduction. housing. NHS. pensions how he and his party would get us out of the mess we are in instead it was cat calling.
Jack Straw was very poor if only Ian Heslop or George Gallaway were on the panel very poor show.

Ian Hislop would have made a great guest but HIGNFY was being recorded at the same time so he wouldn't have been able to go on the programme.

woo woo! re-wind a second here...dale wintons gay?

fucking hell where did you spring from? hows it going?

Nah, its just an act to get him to the top.

Post of the century!



Disclaimer: I apologise if anyone finds this post purile. No 12-year-old boyish sexual innuendo is intended. I just want to be accepted by Chip and his lapdogs.

I've just got around to watching this.....

Marks out of 100.



99. Bonnie Greer



95. Baroness Warsi








75. Chris Huhne
























50. Jack Straw







































10. The BNP bloke.