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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:25 am 
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However, we were guilty of taking part in one of the most shameful episodes of modern history. All to line the pockets of the British Empire. Children need to know both the good and the bad aspects of history, and by teaching them say WWII and the Atlantic Slave Trade we do that.


Also, I don't think slave trade mentality is a thing of the past at all. Most of us still use other people and races to sustain our own standard of living, with hardly a second thought.
Cheap clothes in the West, for instance, usually mean £1 per week sweat shop workers are being 'used' somewhere else.



That's more in Citizenship's remit, but I get your point. It's all too easy to turn a blind eye.


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Children need to know both the good and the bad aspects of history, and by teaching them say WWII and the Atlantic Slave Trade we do that.


Do you tell them that the Brits invented concentration camps as well


We got taught that in A-Level history.

I can't imagine today's teachers are taking the opportunity to let it pass, however we were merely told the facts about why it was done rather than them trying to convince us of how shameful it was.


I teach about the Boer War so yes I do. And no, because it's taught at A Level, I let the students decide for themselves whether it was shameful or not.


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However, we were guilty of taking part in one of the most shameful episodes of modern history. All to line the pockets of the British Empire. Children need to know both the good and the bad aspects of history, and by teaching them say WWII and the Atlantic Slave Trade we do that.


Also, I don't think slave trade mentality is a thing of the past at all. Most of us still use other people and races to sustain our own standard of living, with hardly a second thought.
Cheap clothes in the West, for instance, usually mean £1 per week sweat shop workers are being 'used' somewhere else.

At the other end of the scale, there is the casual 'use' of scapegoats on message boards, for communal entertainment.


Can I ask a serious question then do you shop at Primark?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:27 am 
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In my humble opinion teachers are there to teach kids facts, not to impart their own morals on them. Unfortunately too many teachers today think that they are there for the latter and I'd cause a stink if they were stepping outside of their remit and preaching.


I am all for that lets ban RE then


But RE isn't the preaching of religion, it's the study of comparative religions. A form of anthropology, in other words


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I teach about the Boer War so yes I do. And no, because it's taught at A Level, I let the students decide for themselves whether it was shameful or not.


So if it was taught at an age below A-Level you would advocate moral preaching as opposed to teaching of facts?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:28 am 
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Can I ask a serious question then do you shop at Primark?


Here, it's not my shoes that disintegrate mid-stride, mate. :evil:


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In my humble opinion teachers are there to teach kids facts, not to impart their own morals on them. Unfortunately too many teachers today think that they are there for the latter and I'd cause a stink if they were stepping outside of their remit and preaching.


I am all for that lets ban RE then


But RE isn't the preaching of religion, it's the study of comparative religions. A form of anthropology, in other words


And what is religion anyway preaching someones beliefs. Anthropology and religion dont make me laugh the two contradict each other, how can you teach evolution and creation theory togther.

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I teach about the Boer War so yes I do. And no, because it's taught at A Level, I let the students decide for themselves whether it was shameful or not.


So if it was taught at an age below A-Level you would advocate moral preaching as opposed to teaching of facts?


Not necessarily, I think the majority of pupils would understand that such a thing was barbaric. I'd let the facts and the figures do the talking.


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 Post subject: Re: Intersting Reading for Wage Slaves
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:31 am 
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And what is religion anyway preaching someones beliefs. Anthropology and religion dont make me laugh the two contradict each other, how can you teach evolution and creation theory togther.


Well, laugh away, but part of anthropology is the study of belief systems. There is no contradiction at all. sctatchinghead


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Can I ask a serious question then do you shop at Primark?


Here, it's not my shoes that disintegrate mid-stride, mate. :evil:


No need to get defensive I was mearly asking as you made a point about people getting victamised due to cheap clothes and taking your moral high ground as always. I was trying to find out if you pay into and fund the thing you have a big problem about.

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 Post subject: Re: Intersting Reading for Wage Slaves
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:34 am 
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Can I ask a serious question then do you shop at Primark?


Here, it's not my shoes that disintegrate mid-stride, mate. :evil:


No need to get defensive I was mearly asking as you made a point about people getting victamised due to cheap clothes and taking your moral high ground as always. I was trying to find out if you pay into and fund the thing you have a big problem about.


As I made my point using the pronoun, 'we', I see no moral high ground at all, but an admission of guilt.
You really must learn to read posts instead of using them to say what you want them to say, lad.


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And what is religion anyway preaching someones beliefs. Anthropology and religion dont make me laugh the two contradict each other, how can you teach evolution and creation theory togther.


Well, laugh away, but part of anthropology is the study of belief systems. There is no contradiction at all. sctatchinghead


I take that on board as found this on the online dictionary:

Anthropology
–noun 1. the science that deals with the origins, physical and cultural development, biological characteristics, and social customs and beliefs of humankind.
2. the study of human beings' similarity to and divergence from other animals.
3. the science of humans and their works.

Point I was making that the second definition contradicts religious beliefs and the Bible as its against evolution. (or should we just pick and choose bits from the Bilbe we like)

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..not according to my psychiatrist, but what does he know. :wink: :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Intersting Reading for Wage Slaves
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:41 am 
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I take that on board as found this on the online dictionary:

Anthropology
–noun 1. the science that deals with the origins, physical and cultural development, biological characteristics, and social customs and beliefs of humankind.
2. the study of human beings' similarity to and divergence from other animals.
3. the science of humans and their works.

Point I was making that the second definition contradicts religious beliefs



It does nothing of the sort, Compo. You're on the wrong track.


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It does nothing of the sort, Compo. You're on the wrong track.


The study of human beings' similarity to and divergence from other animals, doesnt go against religion? I must have been taught the wrong form of christianity at school then.

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I teach about the Boer War so yes I do. And no, because it's taught at A Level, I let the students decide for themselves whether it was shameful or not.


So if it was taught at an age below A-Level you would advocate moral preaching as opposed to teaching of facts?


Not necessarily, I think the majority of pupils would understand that such a thing was barbaric. I'd let the facts and the figures do the talking.


Which is how I believe it should be.

From memory (and you will probably know better as it's more recent to you) I believe that the instigation of them served a purpose due to the guerilla nature of the Boers hiding amongst the locals and the removal of that option to them brought about a speedier resolution to the war hence saving a lot (of British) lives. Do you teach them that too?

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 Post subject: Re: Intersting Reading for Wage Slaves
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Children need to know both the good and the bad aspects of history, and by teaching them say WWII and the Atlantic Slave Trade we do that.


Do you tell them that the Brits invented concentration camps as well
... did they, there had been no detention before then...? fact is it was the German press, sympathetic to the Boer cause at the time who drew attentiion to their excistence and demonised them .... how ironic.

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 Post subject: Re: Intersting Reading for Wage Slaves
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:48 am 
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It does nothing of the sort, Compo. You're on the wrong track.


The study of human beings' similarity to and divergence from other animals, doesnt go against religion? I must have been taught the wrong form of christianity at school then.


Anthropology is basically the study of cultures and how they hang together. One of the main things that kept a traditional tribe together was its religion. A tribe would subscribe to the same belief system, or religion...which characterisically wouldn't be Christian at all, but usually based on some sort of ancestor worship or pantheism.
All your second 'definition' means is that humans are being studied as opposed to animals, not to say that humans aren't descended from animals


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Which is how I believe it should be.

From memory (and you will probably know better as it's more recent to you) I believe that the instigation of them served a purpose due to the guerilla nature of the Boers hiding amongst the locals and the removal of that option to them brought about a speedier resolution to the war hence saving a lot (of British) lives. Do you teach them that too?


They're taught the reasons why it was introduced yes. They're even shown accounts of Boer women who accepted what the British had to do for the very reasons you mention. If it was done in an humane way then we wouldn't be having this discussion. It was the sheer failings of any adequate organisation of concentration camps that becomes the issue. Severe shortages of food, water and adequate shelter etc. and the poor response of the British authorities to rectify such a problem.


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It does nothing of the sort, Compo. You're on the wrong track.


The study of human beings' similarity to and divergence from other animals, doesnt go against religion? I must have been taught the wrong form of christianity at school then.


Anthropology is basically the study of cultures and how they hang together. One of the main things that kept a traditional tribe together was its religion. A tribe would subscribe to the same belief system, or religion...which characterisically wouldn't be Christian at all, but usually based on some sort of ancestor worship or pantheism.
All your second 'definition' means is that humans are being studied as opposed to animals, not to say that humans aren't descended from animals


Fair enough so the two are different and its studies how the population of cultures hung around together and religion was the "glue" that brought and kept them together and not preaching the religion itself, I get that point now.

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Which is how I believe it should be.

From memory (and you will probably know better as it's more recent to you) I believe that the instigation of them served a purpose due to the guerilla nature of the Boers hiding amongst the locals and the removal of that option to them brought about a speedier resolution to the war hence saving a lot (of British) lives. Do you teach them that too?


They're taught the reasons why it was introduced yes. They're even shown accounts of Boer women who accepted what the British had to do for the very reasons you mention. If it was done in an humane way then we wouldn't be having this discussion. It was the sheer failings of any adequate organisation of concentration camps that becomes the issue. Severe shortages of food, water and adequate shelter etc. and the poor response of the British authorities to rectify such a problem.


Concurring to a degree, however were the British Army not stuggling with supplying their own troops adequately at the time and the locals were deemed to be less of a pressing issue? Not that this makes it ok, just that the circumstances weren't as clear as the detainees being deliberately mistreated?

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Compo, no less a figure than Charles Darwin himself believed in a creator. He just didn't belive that this creator conjured up every species of animal that existed in his day. It's perfectly possible to believe without contradiction that (a) god created life and then those original lifeforms evolved by a form of natural selection.


I know this fact, I was just mearly saying that people do take the view point of a creationist theory to the letter. I just like the way any religion picks and chooses what they want fudge it around a bit and then spew out an answer that ends in the gospel was right.

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Sadly, there are those who take the seven day thing literally, that's where the problem lays....... I imagine some power must have created where we live in its totality, but i don't go for the man on the cloud with a white beard line.

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Compo, no less a figure than Charles Darwin himself believed in a creator. He just didn't belive that this creator conjured up every species of animal that existed in his day. It's perfectly possible to believe without contradiction that (a) god created life and then those original lifeforms evolved by a form of natural selection.


I know this fact, I was just mearly saying that people do take the view point of a creationist theory to the letter. I just like the way any religion picks and chooses what they want fudge it around a bit and then spew out an answer that ends in the gospel was right.


Isn't that what everybody on here does when debating stuff?! rolfl

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I am having great difficulty not going to my sons school and twatting the head master at the moment, who had made it a rule that one class every week is forced to go to church, and do a group bible lesson......not during RE......oh no....too fookin sensible that......No......this daft bounder makes them miss other far more important lessons.

Fook religion, its the root of all evil anyway.

Phew.

Right carry on.


That is shocking re church!!! To have religion imposed like that is just wrong.

I agree with it being the root of all evil too. What are the school going to make mandatory next? racism, homophobia, bomb making?

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And the RE teacher is a bender allegedly. :laugh:

Am I allowed to upset two minority groups in one sentence? sctatchinghead


yes provided he is not a black b*****d

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Mind, that bird's a bit chewy isn't she?? bbolt


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I bet she does. :uhoh:


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I bet she does. :uhoh:


And that thumb can tickle my prostate gland any time. :wink: bbolt


But you dont know where its been!

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It's going up me back door, what do I care? :roll:


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But you dont know where its been!
You really don't wanna know where his prostate gland's been, it's the only one in the world that can pout, trained it himself.

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But you dont know where its been!
You really don't wanna know where his prostate gland's been, it's the only one in the world that can pout, trained it himself.


And it makes me go walkies about three times a night! :uhoh:


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Have you considered getting yourself plumbed in to the sewage system, a non return valve should avoid embarassing consequences. :wink:


I'm quite happy with the colostomy bag and colonic irrigation wash-through system I have at the moment.

It's fun, too. You've seen the bow-tie/water splash trick.... well, I connect with the tap, turn it on, and the bag blows off. It breaks the ice at parties. :wink:


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