Don't forget his record at Gillingham, the useless cnt.

However, as I said before CT has not proved himself at League 1 level! I admit he did well for us in league 2 but he has struggled in league 1 with other clubs and last season/this season with us. I appreciate he inherited a poor team last season but his tactics leave a lot to be desired. Its not just about signing good players, its about tactics too and he needs to show that he can compete with the other league 1 managers. Up to now he has failed. Neale Cooper inherited a league 2 team and got us to the play offs in league 1. When you look at the players he achieved this with, it was a remarkable achievement and can any of you honestly see Chris Turner managing such a feat?

Non of you guys seem to be coming up with any decent counter arguments here! It always just resorts to rarfery or bitchiness of those who dare to criticise. lets hear some opinions of YOUR OWN.

Decent counter arguments?

FFS.

It's the first of September and the bloke has just assembled a new team.

You're either completely stupid or looking to stir up arguments in a Rivals kind of way. Well this isn't Rivals, so if that is your intention then you can get to fk and find somewhere else to cause chew.

And that's a general warning by the way, aimed at more than just you.

Turners record at Pools during his first stint was very good. That was in the bottom division. His record at Stockport in the bottom division was abysmal. They were five points adrift at the bottom when he and County parted company.
His record in THIS division is also abysmal. He has managed three clubs at this level. He was manager at Stockport when they got relegated, in a full season in this league at Wednesday he finished three points above relegation. The next season he got twelve games I believe, then the bullet. He has had thirty one games in this league for Pools.
Of the managers we have had in this league his record is even worse than Scott's.
Even Stephenson started off reasonably well until Turner started appearing in the dugout.

I am not calling for him to be sacked........yet..... but some of the blind faith in him,whilst touching,is unbelievable.
His record is all we have to go on, the rest is hope and my hopes are included in that.

There is absolutely no evidence anywhere that says that Chris Turner is a good league one manager. There are opinions in that regard, but definitely no evidence.
I hope he turns the corner but nobody has any right to criticise the people who are judging him on his record, unless of course you think Scott was badly treated as well and I have never heard that opinion yet.

We shall see in the next month or so.

and as I just said, there is more to being a good manager than simply signing some good players. Many of us dont rate him as a manager and for the reason that he buggered off to sheff wed like he did. For such reasons it will take some success to change this opinion. He past record at this level is poor. As for 'causing chew' it is people like yourself who resorts to childish namecalling and brings this board down to the rivals level. Have a look in a mirror. The majority on here make perfectly valid points but because it doesnt match your own it gets greeted with rarfery from you, dibble and snowy. You are like a pack of sheep with no opinions of your own.

The most striking thing that Snowy, ADG and I have in common is the ability to recognise an idiot and a shit stirrer. This board isn't for shit stirrers. Like it or lump it, you decide.

I'm in full agreement with Grave here like, he's only saying what he thinks...

Chill out ripper man

Have to say that there has been a lot of petty name calling of late. Dont mind having a decent arguement with people (generally snowy) when I have an opposing view on something look at the exam thread.

Lets not get into well "he called" me attitude and tit for tat name calling.

I disagree.

I think that he's shit stirring cos he thinks it's funny. I find it sad rather than funny.

Anyone who reads this thread can and will make up their own judgements based on the arguments put forward. I put forward what Im sure many would deem perfectly valid arguments and reasons for my opinions without having to resort to rarfery like a few of you need to once a different opinion comes along. Its the admins on this site unfortunately who cause the vast majority of the chew.

I refer you to my post of 1157h this morning.

If I was trying to stir shiit i would not spend ages justifying why I have the opinions I do. I actually get my opinions accross whereas a few of you just sit there backing each other up, barely ever giving an opinion, merely choosing to name call and give cynical analogies to those who express an opinion. Like I just said, my posts have an argument to them and justify why. It would be a much better board if you guys put forward some constructive opinions even if they are radically different to mine without resorting to childishness.

Obviously i dont know him, but from his posts i don't think he's like that, he's not a headlander...

If by that you mean that Im shit stirring, then its not the case. Im simply putting my opinions accross but as we all know from past experience there are a few on here who just sit there criticising others for having an opinion.

Chris Turner doesn't come with 100 light years of what Neale Cooper did for Hartlepool United. Cooper was dare I say the best manager we have had in the 30 odd years of watching pools.
He also didn't walk when other clubs came sniffing after he got us to our first league 1 play offs. He stayed and tried to finish the job of getting us promoted to the championship for the 1st time in our history. Unfortunately he didn't make it but given a little more time who knows what success cooper could have brought to the club.

Well said. I sometimes wonder if its worth trying to express yourself on here

Oh dear, my grandad spoke about this sort of thing. He told me about a corporal once.

I wish somebody would come up with a list of topics you are allowed to put forward constructive opinion on.

I find it amazing that people who can give one word insulting replies and abuse people who they don't agree with and THEN threaten others.

Well Yubep did warn me that I wasn't allowed an opinion, looks like he was right.

If you cannot see the lunacy of arguing for Turner to get the bullet five minutes into a season where he's just reconstructed the bulk of the team then maybe you're beyond help.

I agree that Turner isn't the manager that Cooper was, however he is our current manager and to get on his back and not give him a chance (like Grave and a couple of others are doing) strikes me as being wholly moronic.

If we're stuggling in a month or two then fair enough, but we're barely out of August for Christ's sake.

I dont want to have to keep saying the same thing over and over again. I have posted my reasons why over the past couple of pages and they explain why I feel how I do. People are welcome to provide a counter argument if they wish. It will make it a more interesting board. It would also be refreshing if it did not result in name calling like the "new manager" thread ("Because he is an attention seeking spastic.")

Mr Ripper, if you've got a point to make on Turner's suitability or otherwise to manage Pools then why not just make it.
That would be far more worth reading than your name calling, big stick wielding insulting contributions thus far.
My apologies to the rest of the community who read this forum but I have this obsession about bullying.

Good grief it is a message board, why can't contrasting opinion be respected.

grave you make some good points about turner, however you then go on to say that anyone who doesnt agree with you are sheep, you want others to respect your opinion yet you wont do the same with theirs.

Bullying?

Try reading what I've written.

We have read what you posted.. That's the problem, I am in the same boat as Grave but while Turner is our manager he gets my support.

I have certainly never accused anyone of bullying me. Im simply fed up of the same few people sitting there giving snidey comments and calling names when someone puts accross a differing opinion. Contrary to what a few of you think, it isnt people like me who is bringing this board down, its much closer to home. I think Mr I should have a long look at those who he has made administrators on this board.

That though is the fundamental difference between you and he.

And you deny being a shit stirrer.

Great post, Ripper.

I'll ask you again Gravy

Have you ever watched Everyone Loves Raymond?

If not watch it and the mother in particular, she could be based on you

Im not accusing those who merely have different opinions to me as being sheep. I often disagree with you about things but we both get our points accross and reason why. Unfortunately a few people resort to namecalling and bitchiness when a difference of opinion arises.

I have expressed many opinions in this thread and im simply getting accused of trying to 'shit stir' for example. Im not, I just have a different opinion and get sick of the attitude problems on here.

while we are on the subject of everyone loves raymond, I have a bit of a thing for his missus

...and here comes the other one to offer nothing meaningful as per usual apart from rarfery.

Like I advised earlier, like it or lump it.

Tell you what Grave, you start your own board to persecute our manager so early in the season and I won't join. Deal?

why pull out that old chestnut "why dont you start your own board", why should he the board was created for people to have good craic and have discussions about differing opinions on pools (which this thread is) if everyone agree what would be the point, just endless threads about how everyone agree's telling people how right each others opinions are.

And I support the TEAM. I may not have much faith in Chris Turner but I cant help that for the reasons that I have outlined above. Yes I suspect that we would be better off without him but for the time being, he picks the team. I hope he turns the season round and we climb the table but Im not going to suddenly think he has gone from a poor manager to a good one on the basis of signing Behan and Flinders!!!

As I said earlier it would be a shame to have another manager come in as CT has made all these signings which the new manager would be left with and have little scope for making the team his own.

Hear, hear.

It isn’t 'rarfery', it is a simple question

I'll fill in the gaps for you

The character in question is narcissistic, sly, demeaning and has little realisation of the world around her

No, dont watch it.

will you watch it now I have said that fit bird is on it

Paid.

Personally I think that prejudging Turner based upon his record elsewhere is ludicrous. Similarly with players. We can't go out and just buy proven talent so judge on what they do or have done for us.

Turner built our last promotion team. FACT.

He is attempting to build another team now but needs to be afforded a little time for it to come together. FACT.

Screaming for his head in August is silly and juvenile. FACT.

Ah so as usual Ripper is just giving out insults to other members whose opinions he doesnt agree with.

Nothing new here then.

Didnt ADG get his administrative powers removed for the same thing?

And here comes shit stirrer number 2. I thought you'd be along shortly.

Deliberate shit stirring is a temporary banning offence by the way, just so that you and your cronies are aware.

They dont give any opinions for him to do the same with. Board is full of people who will simply criticise peoples posts while adding no opinions or thoughts (regarding pools) themselves.

So what about the abuse your giving people? especially the thread where you quoted 3 people and simply written one word of abuse for each of them. Surely thats just shit stirring? Its hardly adding to the board is it?

Why dont you apply your rules to yourself and then people may take notice.

Can I just point out that I HAVE said that he should get another month or so. I dont rate him as a manager but if he gets us up towards midtable then obviously he should stay in charge. My opinions of him may start to increase if he manages this.

..thoughts.. ... but yours always relate to sacking someone at the club.

And I dont think ANYONE could argue with that!

Yeah but what about everybody loves raymond

I could if either of you were worth it.

Bye.