Afghanistan

Pierrepoint · **Joined:** Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:04 am **Posts:** 1723

Have we learned anything form History? The British Empire and then might of the Red Army couldn't sort the place out. How many more lives must we lose in this godforsaken place? Get the lads out now and introduce the bastads to our roadside bomb.. a fooking big one and turn the place to glass..

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:46 pm

What is the point in keeping nuclear bombs if we don't obliterate large swathes of donkey fkers?

Pierrepoint · **Joined:** Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:04 am **Posts:** 1723

Well I'm sure we'll have a couple of tactical nukes hanging around getting close to their sellby date, far better to use them on them (before they get hold of one and use it on us... :shock:

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Pierrepoint · **Joined:** Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:04 am **Posts:** 1723

You've got a point there chip but what other solution is there?? Hearts and minds is not working and we're losing a man a day at the moment (mind you I would be interested to know how many casualties they're taking (I'm assuming they'll be substainly more) .

Nobodys Hero · **Posted:** Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:16 pm

chip fireball wrote:

slight problem with your thinking, the place is already just one big bomb site and always has been.

whats the point in bombing rubble ?

and yet our so called intelligent government send our troops to this pile of rubble. stpid

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

You must be right so I'll bow to your greater experience then Chip.

There are only two kinds of warrior; those who dream of war and those who have nightmares of war.

P.M.T. · **Joined:** Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:14 pm **Posts:** 968

You can never win a war when the people you are protecting look exactly like the people you are fighting.
Look through history, if they haven't got a uniform on they will always win. sadx

Frodraff · **Posted:** Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:28 pm

P.M.T. wrote:

You can never win a war when the people you are protecting look exactly like the people you are fighting.
Look through history, if they haven't got a uniform on they will always win. sadx

The Romans didn't do so bad against all them dressed in woad like.

mouldy old dough · **Posted:** Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:30 pm

A war we can not win and a goverment that does not care....
Bring them home,

AK_Poolie · **Posted:** Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:06 pm

how can you fight terrorism? Is it tangable?

jumbodabber · **Joined:** Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:35 pm **Posts:** 523

chip fireball wrote:

Pierrepoint wrote:

You've got a point there chip but what other solution is there?? Hearts and minds is not working and we're losing a man a day at the moment (mind you I would be interested to know how many casualties they're taking (I'm assuming they'll be substainly more) .

greater minds than mine feel it is essential for our general wellbeing that men and women are sent out there to fight in a war. .

Highly educated people very rarely apply logic, the trouble with common sense is ....it's not that common

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

It's an insurgent war so how do you measure victory? If its when the enemy have gone then its already won - al Queda have cleared of to Pakistan. I'm not even sure why we are fighting the taliban. Does anyone know why they are the enemy without looking it up? "Oh its about drugs and poppies" is it now? I thought it was about 9/11 or like Iraq have we changed the reason.

Get out of there and leavwe the country to its indiginous population instead of trying to impose our western values on them - it don't ever work.

20th century failed invasions.

Germany WW!
Germany WW"
Japan WW2
Afghanistan (Russians)
Vietnam (French)
Vietnam (US)
Argentina (Falklands)
I could go on with some obscure ones but its not needed to make the point

20th Century successful invasions.

ermm...

mouldy old dough · **Posted:** Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:05 pm

10 billion in foreign aid every year funds the war lords.

verbalkint · **Joined:** Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:08 pm **Posts:** 3135

chip fireball wrote:

i didnt say it was about drugs and poppies. i sometimes wonder if you actually read my posts.

its a fact that terrorism in that part of the world is funded by the heroin trade, or do you think the 9/11 bombers got to the usa and carried out the hijacking of planes using their pocket money ? part of winning a war is surely about taking away your enemies facility to build/buy/procure weaponry and train fighters ?

these nutters have been carrying out attacks around the world on western targets for nearly a decade. what do you suggest we do them mr i ? let them carry on providing the world with its heroin and using the profits to run training camps for young martyrs ? carry on letting them explode bombs on the london underground ?

as for your comments on pakistan, again, read my post. the offensive in helmand is running at the same time as a huge offensive in pakistan which only this week took out a major player. had we not been fighting a pointless war in iraq at the same time and diverted rescources and money to afghanistan instead we may have had more joy.

its nasty, dirty work that costs lives, but at some point you have to take these people on. you yourself were telling us all not so long ago how you had spoken to people over there and how well it had been going. now its costing british lives you seem to be backtracking and saying we should pull out ???????????

finally our forces are there with the approval of the afghan government. a government that will be democratically elected in the very near future. comparing it with some of the examples you have given is plainly daft.

Fook me i agree with Chip on something :shock:

I'm going for a lie down

Loid Haw-Haw of Sussex · **Posted:** Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:19 pm

Saw one of the many reports the other day . Can't believe the amounts of land mines etc that the taliban are planting every day , must be real scary out there for the young lads , knowing your next step might be your last..

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Money: They call Bin Laden 'The Sheikh' figure the rest out. The world centre of terrorism is Saudi Arabia not Kabul.

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:54 pm

I heard an incredible interview today with the mother of an 18 year old killed 2 years ago. This is the only bit of it I've been able to find.

Jane Ford, whose son Pte Ben Ford, of Chesterfield, Derbyshire, died in an explosion in Afghanistan in 2007, backed the UK's mission.

"We've got to say to these lads: 'You're doing a good job'," she said.

"We are sorry they're losing their lives, it's awful. But if we pull out now, that bully [the Taliban] has won."

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:40 pm

You're all missing the point a bit aren't you?

If Al Teatowel Terrorists Inc. rely on the heroin money to fund them blowing us or our soldiers up then why not just execute every smackhead so that they have no market for their skag?

TheGingerPoolie · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:13 pm

Mr I wrote:

It's an insurgent war so how do you measure victory? If its when the enemy have gone then its already won - al Queda have cleared of to Pakistan. I'm not even sure why we are fighting the taliban. Does anyone know why they are the enemy without looking it up? "Oh its about drugs and poppies" is it now? I thought it was about 9/11 or like Iraq have we changed the reason.

Get out of there and leavwe the country to its indiginous population instead of trying to impose our western values on them - it don't ever work.

20th century failed invasions.

Germany WW!
Germany WW"
Japan WW2
Afghanistan (Russians)
Vietnam (French)
Vietnam (US)
Argentina (Falklands)
I could go on with some obscure ones but its not needed to make the point

20th Century successful invasions.

ermm...

It's not often that I agree with you on many things to do with politics/social policy/history/etc, but that's pretty f*cking spot on.

Just this post like, I've only browsed the rest so don't get too excited :laugh:

Pierrepoint · **Joined:** Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:04 am **Posts:** 1723

TheGingerPoolie wrote:

Mr I wrote:

It's an insurgent war so how do you measure victory? If its when the enemy have gone then its already won - al Queda have cleared of to Pakistan. I'm not even sure why we are fighting the taliban. Does anyone know why they are the enemy without looking it up? "Oh its about drugs and poppies" is it now? I thought it was about 9/11 or like Iraq have we changed the reason.

Get out of there and leavwe the country to its indiginous population instead of trying to impose our western values on them - it don't ever work.

20th century failed invasions.

Germany WW!
Germany WW"
Japan WW2
Afghanistan (Russians)
Vietnam (French)
Vietnam (US)
Argentina (Falklands)
I could go on with some obscure ones but its not needed to make the point

20th Century successful invasions.

ermm...

It's not often that I agree with you on many things to do with politics/social policy/history/etc, but that's pretty f*cking spot on.

Just this post like, I've only browsed the rest so don't get too excited :laugh:

20th Century successful invasions------- One June 6th 1944 ... Normandy :shock:

poolymadandstupid · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:07 pm

Seen a news report this afternoon on the naming of those killed on Friday.

What a state the families and friends of those brave young men must be in, I had a big lump in my throat just watching this report. I just can't imagine the grief they are feeling just now.

Such young ages and such young men,THEY MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO DIE IN VAIN.

Deepest sympathy to all those grieving a loss right now.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

poolymad wrote:

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Such young ages and such young men.

Unfortunately, it was always thus.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Pierrepoint wrote:

20th Century successful invasions------- One June 6th 1944 ... Normandy :shock:

I think you might find that this was a liberation.

Pierrepoint · **Joined:** Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:04 am **Posts:** 1723

Mr I wrote:

Pierrepoint wrote:

20th Century successful invasions------- One June 6th 1944 ... Normandy :shock:

I think you might find that this was a liberation.

I suppose it was to be technically correct but isn't that what they've been saying Afganistan is?

I forgot history is written by the victors... (I could've also put Salerno September 3rd 1943)

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37619

It's their 'culture'... so why don't we just leave them to live their lives their way. Why is it that the goverments of the west, composed mostly of university educated liberals are so keen to impose their liberal values on everyone at the point of a gun.

norgepoolie · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:35 pm

Snowy wrote:

It's their 'culture'... so why don't we just leave them to live their lives their way. Why is it that the goverments of the west, composed mostly of university educated liberals are so keen to impose their liberal values on everyone at the point of a gun.

Hmmmmm, I think in this instance it was George Bush and his neocon pals, who would be slightly offended if you called them Liberal.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37619

norgepoolie wrote:

Snowy wrote:

It's their 'culture'... so why don't we just leave them to live their lives their way. Why is it that the goverments of the west, composed mostly of university educated liberals are so keen to impose their liberal values on everyone at the point of a gun.

Hmmmmm, I think in this instance it was George Bush and his neocon pals, who would be slightly offended if you called them Liberal.

Smug, pampered individuals...and they're ALL liberals now, but the script remains the same...Georgie boy has gone now.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37619

Their culture doesn't ...but it appeals to the some residents of their country, but that doesn't justify invading the place.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:28 pm

mouldy old dough wrote:

10 billion in foreign aid every year funds the war lords.

No it doesn't, it stops babies and young kids having to drink water with shite in it or dying from a mozzie bite

poolymadandstupid · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:55 pm

Mr I wrote:

poolymad wrote:

S
Such young ages and such young men.

Unfortunately, it was always thus.

Of course it has been and will be ongoing but it still is very sad to hear about the youngest ever killed in action and so on. sadx

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37619

chip fireball wrote:

so snowy, you just let them carry on blowing up parts of civilised countries whenever they feel like it, and generate enough income to buy bigger and better weaponry ? you also let them run as many terrorist training camps as they like, and produce as many martyrs for their holy war on the west as they see fit ?

do you also let them go round kidnapping as many westerners as they want and hey, while they are at it why not let them chop their captives heads off, video it, and post it on the internet ?

i suppose we should let those involved in the second tube bombing attempt off with a ticking off then ?

yr right, they are harmless tykes, and its just their culture. best to ignore it and it will go away.

So chip ....and how did this come about in the first place? Because the 'West' and its values have to be imposed on every part of the world... it just looks like the 'Wests' values clashed with someone who couldn't give a flying fook about our values and reminded us that they have their values and intend to defend them .... the only 'shock' was that they played by' their rules' ...oh dear.
.. are you so keen because it's someone far, far away ... because we had the same problem in Ireland, but nobody advocated bombing and invading the republic did they...?

verbalkint · **Joined:** Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:08 pm **Posts:** 3135

Northern Ireland was a completely different problem the IRA are not in the same league as these lot, i'm no expert on the troubles in northern ireland but even though the ira where a big threat to the country i should think there was only a couple oh hundred of them and the British forces knew who they where and could easly deal with them.

These mad bastards number thousands and are better armed and have no value for life and will stop at nothing

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37619

I'm keen on no conflict at all, unless I can see a valid reason for it. Afghanistan has been a bottomless pit for centuries, no one wins there because that's the way it is. As for the fanatics, just what do they want exactly, because every such enemy we've fought in the past has usually ended up becoming a 'respected statesman with an equally valid viewpoint'. While the present incumbent of the title madman of the moment seems unwilling to compromise, there has to be a better way than this ..it's gonna be just like Vietnam all over again.
p.s. ... and at the time, we were told that the yanks in Vietnam were fighting evil.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37619

verbalkint wrote:

Northern Ireland was a completely different problem the IRA are not in the same league as these lot, i'm no expert on the troubles in northern ireland but even though the ira where a big threat to the country i should think there was only a couple oh hundred of them and the British forces knew who they where and could easly deal with them.

These mad bastards number thousands and are better armed and have no value for life and will stop at nothing

Not in the same league ...? How many British troops did the IRA kill..? as for easily dealing with them, when 50% of the population share their ideals ....and if it was so easy, why did it last as long as it did....?.. because the goverment knew they couldn't apply that sort of tactic so close to home ...it's all politics.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37619

chip fireball wrote:

im one of those lily livered liberals you despise. .

As far as Im aware, I don't 'despise' anyone.

Spender · **Posted:** Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:27 am

The heroin thing has been neatly smoothed over I'm afraid. The Taliban, when they were in charge in Afghanistan, forbade the growing of poppy crops but they were rather nasty to the bewers. The Western Press picked up on this and talked in glaring terms about burkas and female circumcision. The Taliban made the poppy farmers grow food crops which of course doesn't make a tenth of the income that growing poppies does but the world supply of smack almost ground to a halt and prices went through the roof. The number of people on methadone treatment was at a record high in the UK.

The Americans then decided that the Taliban looked strange and drove them back into the hills and appointed the Warlords of the Northern Hill Tribes as the ruling junta. The Northern Hill Tribe Warlords make all their money from smack. The worls supply blossomed again and the country is now awash with it, all brought in through our good allies, the Pakistanis. Rewind eight years and welcome to the board home leaving the limeys with the problem, cos 'they do a darned good jarb out there.'

On a secondary note, when the Warlords were coming down to Kabul to take over the Parliament, the Americans shelled them with 'friendly fire.'

They couldn't organise a toast party in Hades. :roll:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37619

Paddy Ashdown was on the World Service commenting on how the war was being fought for 'Gender Awareness'.........I ask you. :roll:

Pierrepoint · **Joined:** Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:04 am **Posts:** 1723

Snowy wrote:

Paddy Ashdown was on the World Service commenting on how the war was being fought for 'Gender Awareness'.........I ask you. :roll:

One of the most westernised of all the arab regeimes was the one ran by someone called Sadam (I can't remember what happened to him)

Its bollocks.. are we going to invade Saudi then to sort them out cos they make their bewers wear burka's etc...

No..I don't think they will for some strange reason will they..

After all look what sort of mess we're in here since we gave women the vote!! bbolt

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37619

.. or North Korea?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37619

Like the man said on the radio last night, ... the Taliban say "You've have the watches, but we have the time ...we have nowhere to go, you have" You'll have to talk in the end, they know that and so do we.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:12 pm

Pierrepoint wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Paddy Ashdown was on the World Service commenting on how the war was being fought for 'Gender Awareness'.........I ask you. :roll:

One of the most westernised of all the arab regeimes was the one ran by someone called Sadam (I can't remember what happened to him)

Its bollocks.. are we going to invade Saudi then to sort them out cos they make their bewers wear burka's etc...

No..I don't think they will for some strange reason will they..

After all look what sort of mess we're in here since we gave women the vote!! bbolt

'arab regeimes', don't you mean 'raghead'?

mouldy old dough · **Posted:** Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:09 pm

Saudi is the pay master to all Islamic terrorism but nothing will be done to cut of the funding because they are so powerful its all bollocks really.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37619

Chip, it was Teddy Roosevelt who said, "Talk quietly and carry a big stick".... the trouble with Afghanistan was that we went in like someone saying they were gonna drive to China without asking the garage if the car was up to it. A bit like the Falklands, which happened because of threatened Tory cuts which gave the green light, we went out to Afghanistan ill prepared to make an impact, which is what was needed. I wish politicians would learn that defence isn't about killing people, it's about looking so fooking hard, you make your enemies think twice.

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