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 Post subject: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:25 pm 
Do you think there should be no restrictions at all to immigration, or what do you think the restrictions ought to be?


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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:35 pm 
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I think we need an Immigration policy that is tougher to qualify than at present.


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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:40 pm 
Yes, but when I said 'do you think...' I meant, 'give reasons and facts to back up your position.' :grin:

I think myself that the current Immigration Policy is wildly misjudged, but a lot of people on here seem be implying that it's wrong to have an immigration policy at all. The people who want tighter controls have had their say, but how would the liberals remedy the situation?


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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
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i have no problem with people coming over from any country so long as they come over to better their lives and dont come over looking to commit crime. The one thing i really dont like is that some of them are given a higher priority than the people who are already here. For example, my girlfriend fell pregnant 3 year ago, we lived seperately and with our parents. We didnt think we could get a mortgage so we looked to get a council house. She put in the application as a single pregnant person in order to have a better chance. My mam knew someone who was high up in housing hartlepool so she tried to pull a few strings. She was told that the priorties at the moment were immigrants and smackheads to keep them off the streets. So drug users and immigrants were more important than a british pregnant woman, which to me is disgusting. However its not the immigrants fault but the fucking idiots who make these pathetic rules......what was the question again?

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:09 pm 
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So drug users and immigrants were more important than a british pregnant woman, which to me is disgusting.


Well, I don't say it's disgusting but it does highlight a possible grievance.
But what's the answer? Shouldn't someone who is fleeing for his life from some dictator's regime be given accommodation before a British woman who already has somewhere to live and who, it could be argued, could have avoided becoming pregnant.
(I'm not trying to pass judgement on your case, Mr B)


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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:18 pm 
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So drug users and immigrants were more important than a british pregnant woman, which to me is disgusting.


Well, I don't say it's disgusting but it does highlight a possible grievance.
But what's the answer? Shouldn't someone who is fleeing for his life from some dictator's regime be given accommodation before a British woman who already has somewhere to live and who, it could be argued, could have avoided becoming pregnant.
(I'm not trying to pass judgement on your case, Mr B)
of course if they are from a war torn country then they are high priority. I was meaning the polish and people from the EU. Oh and she didnt have anywhere to live because her parents kicked her out. We ended up getting a mortgage so its all by the by!

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:21 pm 
Grabec wrote:
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So drug users and immigrants were more important than a british pregnant woman, which to me is disgusting.


Well, I don't say it's disgusting but it does highlight a possible grievance.
But what's the answer? Shouldn't someone who is fleeing for his life from some dictator's regime be given accommodation before a British woman who already has somewhere to live and who, it could be argued, could have avoided becoming pregnant.
(I'm not trying to pass judgement on your case, Mr B)


The way I see it is if someone is fleeing then why must they enter our contry having passed through dozens of others. Surely refuge is refuge?

To answer the original post, I believe we should set in place similar restrictions to what they have in Australia where you must be sponsored by an existing resident and be able to bring something to the table in terms of job skills or student aspirations.


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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:22 pm 
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misterb2001 wrote:
So drug users and immigrants were more important than a british pregnant woman, which to me is disgusting.


Well, I don't say it's disgusting but it does highlight a possible grievance.
But what's the answer? Shouldn't someone who is fleeing for his life from some dictator's regime be given accommodation before a British woman who already has somewhere to live and who, it could be argued, could have avoided becoming pregnant.
(I'm not trying to pass judgement on your case, Mr B)
of course if they are from a war torn country then they are high priority. I was meaning the polish and people from the EU. Oh and she didnt have anywhere to live because her parents kicked her out. We ended up getting a mortgage so its all by the by!



Poles & EU residents cannot jump the queue, just like they cannot claim unemployment & housing benefit when they arrive in the UK
Is there a big book of Daily Mail made up shite people refer to before posting this kind of cack?


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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:23 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:27 pm 
Aye. Send the buggers back. :evil:


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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:09 pm 
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Grabec wrote:
Do you think there should be no restrictions at all to immigration,

yes

or what do you think the restrictions ought to be?

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:24 pm 
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I think we need an Immigration policy that is tougher to qualify than at present.


I'd say our immigration policy is pretty tough, it's just more people want to come here than most other countries.

I know someone with an Indonesian girlfriend, he's been seeing her for four years. Has she ever been ever to visit him on holiday in the UK? Has she fuck, it has proved almost impossible for her to get a Visa. A completely genuine case, turned down flatly on more than one occasion.

I think a lot of the time people shoot from the hip with such comments without actually knowing the facts, that's more polite than just calling you plain ignorant isn't it? I guess you have absolutely no idea what it takes to actually obtain a UK Visa?

If that is true how can you possibly comment?


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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:27 pm 
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i am single, white, and english, and it took me 3 days to get a council house in hartlepool, and thats from the point i first entered the council offices to the point i walked through the front door of my new home.

it would have been quicker than that but they offered me 3 different gaffs, and i wanted to go and look at them all first.

thing is that with genuinely desperate people they will accept anywhere that offers them a roof over their heads even if its a shithole on a sink estate.

with a lot of the indigenous population, the lasses get knocked up at 16 or 17 and want to specify to the council the exact house they want, and kick off and blame immigrants if they dont get it.

they also want council tax benefit, housing benefit, child benefit, about 100 bar a week to spend on tabs/drugs and drink. in addition they need the social to give them a grant to furnish the gaff. they then wander round in their pyjamas smoking said tabs and looking for feral lads to buck them.

the lads drift from lass to lass, claim every benefit going, ideally disability benefit, while selling drugs, carrying out burgalries, and handling stolen goods.

their offspring are usually called shakira, demi, jade or some equally ridiculous boys name like keanu and have a staple diet of greggs pasties washed down with fizzy pop.

these are the folk who vote bnp, then complain about having to wait to see a "paki" doctor/consultant at the local hospital when their bairn has swallowed methadone or ketamine.


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But a bit of a generalisation chippo!

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:27 pm 
ADG wrote:
Grabec wrote:
Do you think there should be no restrictions at all to immigration,

yes



...is the correct ethical answer.
But how would you deal with the inevitable fall-out in social/economic terms?
If a Government didn't have very specific workable plans in place before a no-restrictions policy was installed, the country would degenerate into lynching and total chaos.
So, what's the lily-livered Liberal answer?


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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:28 pm 
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Yubep wrote:
chip fireball wrote:
i am single, white, and english, and it took me 3 days to get a council house in hartlepool, and thats from the point i first entered the council offices to the point i walked through the front door of my new home.

it would have been quicker than that but they offered me 3 different gaffs, and i wanted to go and look at them all first.

thing is that with genuinely desperate people they will accept anywhere that offers them a roof over their heads even if its a shithole on a sink estate.

with a lot of the indigenous population, the lasses get knocked up at 16 or 17 and want to specify to the council the exact house they want, and kick off and blame immigrants if they dont get it.

they also want council tax benefit, housing benefit, child benefit, about 100 bar a week to spend on tabs/drugs and drink. in addition they need the social to give them a grant to furnish the gaff. they then wander round in their pyjamas smoking said tabs and looking for feral lads to buck them.

the lads drift from lass to lass, claim every benefit going, ideally disability benefit, while selling drugs, carrying out burgalries, and handling stolen goods.

their offspring are usually called shakira, demi, jade or some equally ridiculous boys name like keanu and have a staple diet of greggs pasties washed down with fizzy pop.

these are the folk who vote bnp, then complain about having to wait to see a "paki" doctor/consultant at the local hospital when their bairn has swallowed methadone or ketamine.


clappp clappp

funny!

But a bit of a generalisation chippo!


A bit, but a damned sight more realistic than the polar opposite view point.

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:33 pm 
Yes, but you're all avoiding the question.


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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:34 pm 
chip fireball wrote:
i am single, white, and english, and it took me 3 days to get a council house in hartlepool, and thats from the point i first entered the council offices to the point i walked through the front door of my new home.

it would have been quicker than that but they offered me 3 different gaffs, and i wanted to go and look at them all first.

thing is that with genuinely desperate people they will accept anywhere that offers them a roof over their heads even if its a shithole on a sink estate.

with a lot of the indigenous population, the lasses get knocked up at 16 or 17 and want to specify to the council the exact house they want, and kick off and blame immigrants if they dont get it.

they also want council tax benefit, housing benefit, child benefit, about 100 bar a week to spend on tabs/drugs and drink. in addition they need the social to give them a grant to furnish the gaff. they then wander round in their pyjamas smoking said tabs and looking for feral lads to buck them.

the lads drift from lass to lass, claim every benefit going, ideally disability benefit, while selling drugs, carrying out burgalries, and handling stolen goods.

their offspring are usually called shakira, demi, jade or some equally ridiculous boys name like keanu and have a staple diet of greggs pasties washed down with fizzy pop.

these are the folk who vote bnp, then complain about having to wait to see a "paki" doctor/consultant at the local hospital when their bairn has swallowed methadone or ketamine.



Yes its a generalisation but theres still a lot of truth in what Chip says. I can't accept spongers, scroungers and criminals wherever they are from. However, those that want to work, pay their taxes, learn the language, merge into the British way of life and generally give something back to society are welcome.


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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:34 pm 
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Grabec wrote:
ADG wrote:
Grabec wrote:
Do you think there should be no restrictions at all to immigration,

yes



...is the correct ethical answer.
But how would you deal with the inevitable fall-out in social/economic terms?
If a Government didn't have very specific workable plans in place before a no-restrictions policy was installed, the country would degenerate into lynching and total chaos.
So, what's the lily-livered Liberal answer?


What fall out?

Oh, you mean the media hyped make believe fall out?

Easy, buy everyone that votes BNP a bag of sweets every month.

Tell them all that the sky is about to fall on them. They will stay indoors.

Put Eastenders, Coronation Street and Big Brother on twice a night, seven nights a week, forever.

Then build them Anglican, Roman Catholic, and Mormon churces bigger than the Mosques. They will think that is brilliant.....though they will never enter them.

Easy.

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:35 pm 
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Yes, but you're all avoiding the question.


What was the question again? sctatchinghead


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I'd say our immigration policy is pretty tough, it's just more people want to come here than most other countries.


And there in lies the question that needs to be addressed before any of this immigration policy can be talked about. I don’t mind anyone coming to this country but the way to stop all this talk about immigrants and asylum seekers is to ask why do they come here in the first place over other western European countries

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
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shouldnt we be really proud that so many people actually want to come and live here?

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:38 pm 
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What fall out?

Oh, you mean the media hyped make believe fall out?

Easy, buy everyone that votes BNP a bag of sweets every month.

Tell them all that the sky is about to fall on them. They will stay indoors.

Put Eastenders, Coronation Street and Big Brother on twice a night, seven nights a week, forever.

Then build them Anglican, Roman Catholic, and Mormon churces bigger than the Mosques. They will think that is brilliant.....though they will never enter them.

Easy.


The fall out of many people and scarce resources, which could be worked out but hasn't been yet.


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shouldnt we be really proud that so many people actually want to come and live here?


Yes that was my point not that we are to soft or a easy target people really want to come here as they see Britian as a great place to live with may more advantages than other countries, multi-cultural nation that are in the majority willing to accept immigrants as equals

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:45 pm 
Grabec wrote:
Do you think there should be no restrictions at all to immigration, or what do you think the restrictions ought to be?


I think to answer to your question is obvious by the way.

Of course we can't have no restrictions, you can't just have an open border. All the restrictions that need to be in place already are.


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The fall out of many people and scarce resources, which could be worked out but hasn't been yet.


Are you assuming that THAT many people actually want to come here?

I dont think there are THAT many.

Therefore the fall-out isnt relevent. The resources are not needed as most people that come here get work, start businesses, and are self sufficient.

Its the white indiginous population that dont want to work. Isnt it?

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If there were no border restrictions, we could easily go and live elsewhere. Which many would probably do.

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I can't accept spongers, scroungers and criminals wherever they are from. However, those that want to work, pay their taxes, learn the language, merge into the British way of life and generally give something back to society are welcome.


thatis how most people would feel if they were asked (except of course the scroungers and wasters and drug dealers,whom I despise with a vengeance )

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:54 pm 
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Antisocial wrote:
I think we need an Immigration policy that is tougher to qualify than at present.


I'd say our immigration policy is pretty tough, it's just more people want to come here than most other countries.

I know someone with an Indonesian girlfriend, he's been seeing her for four years. Has she ever been ever to visit him on holiday in the UK? Has she f***, it has proved almost impossible for her to get a Visa. A completely genuine case, turned down flatly on more than one occasion.

I think a lot of the time people shoot from the hip with such comments without actually knowing the facts, that's more polite than just calling you plain ignorant isn't it? I guess you have absolutely no idea what it takes to actually obtain a UK Visa?

If that is true how can you possibly comment?


It seems to me a lot of the genuine cases get treat unfairly!!!! :evil:
Just look at the Sri Lankans from English Martyrs and the family living in geordieland who were hours from getting deported even though a son of the family was actually serving in Iraq with the British army!!!! :evil: banghead
Is it because they go about it the right way and are more easily tracked???? sctatchinghead
It always gets me the amount of people who work in kebab shops who can't speak a word of English....how have they found it so easy to get here....(ok it might have been hard for them to get here confised)....and stay here???? sctatchinghead
What about the Romanian (????) lady at the top of the ramp who sells the Big Issue and whose English is very limited....how on earth did she get here and get to stay here and what does she contribute to the economy???? sctatchinghead


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Antisocial wrote:
I think we need an Immigration policy that is tougher to qualify than at present.


I'd say our immigration policy is pretty tough, it's just more people want to come here than most other countries.

I know someone with an Indonesian girlfriend, he's been seeing her for four years. Has she ever been ever to visit him on holiday in the UK? Has she f***, it has proved almost impossible for her to get a Visa. A completely genuine case, turned down flatly on more than one occasion.

I think a lot of the time people shoot from the hip with such comments without actually knowing the facts, that's more polite than just calling you plain ignorant isn't it? I guess you have absolutely no idea what it takes to actually obtain a UK Visa?

If that is true how can you possibly comment?


It seems to me a lot of the genuine cases get treat unfairly!!!! :evil:
Just look at the Sri Lankans from English Martyrs and the family living in geordieland who were hours from getting deported even though a son of the family was actually serving in Iraq with the British army!!!! :evil: banghead
Is it because they go about it the right way and are more easily tracked???? sctatchinghead
It always gets me the amount of people who work in kebab shops who can't speak a word of English....how have they found it so easy to get here....(ok it might have been hard for them to get here confised)....and stay here???? sctatchinghead
What about the Romanian (????) lady at the top of the ramp who sells the Big Issue and whose English is very limited....how on earth did she get here and get to stay here and what does she contribute to the economy???? sctatchinghead


Mutley - she's not Romanian, rather a person of Roma or Sinti origin. Roma people are in nearly every country in Europe; she's probably from Poland or Slovakia which are free of restrictions. Joining the EU brings such freedoms. Besides, I like the lad she is with who plays the accordion, he keeps me entertained every time I head into town.

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:05 pm 
"Joining the EU brings such freedoms."!!!!

And that is the problem!!!! confised confised

I believe everyone everywhere in the World should be allowed freedom of movement as long as they bring something to the Country they wish to reside in!!!! confised


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It seems to me a lot of the genuine cases get treat unfairly!!!! :evil:
Just look at the Sri Lankans from English Martyrs and the family living in geordieland who were hours from getting deported even though a son of the family was actually serving in Iraq with the British army!!!! :evil: banghead
Is it because they go about it the right way and are more easily tracked???? sctatchinghead
It always gets me the amount of people who work in kebab shops who can't speak a word of English....how have they found it so easy to get here....(ok it might have been hard for them to get here confised)....and stay here???? sctatchinghead
What about the Romanian (????) lady at the top of the ramp who sells the Big Issue and whose English is very limited....how on earth did she get here and get to stay here and what does she contribute to the economy???? sctatchinghead


Mutley - she's not Romanian, rather a person of Roma or Sinti origin. Roma people are in nearly every country in Europe; she's probably from Poland or Slovakia which are free of restrictions. Joining the EU brings such freedoms. Besides, I like the lad she is with who plays the accordion, he keeps me entertained every time I head into town.

By the way - Talbot, Chip and ADG clappp clappp clappp


Is that the same woman who also sells the Big Issue outside of Asda in Billingham and Thornaby?

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:30 pm 
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Kolley Kibber wrote:
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It seems to me a lot of the genuine cases get treat unfairly!!!! :evil:
Just look at the Sri Lankans from English Martyrs and the family living in geordieland who were hours from getting deported even though a son of the family was actually serving in Iraq with the British army!!!! :evil: banghead
Is it because they go about it the right way and are more easily tracked???? sctatchinghead
It always gets me the amount of people who work in kebab shops who can't speak a word of English....how have they found it so easy to get here....(ok it might have been hard for them to get here confised)....and stay here???? sctatchinghead
What about the Romanian (????) lady at the top of the ramp who sells the Big Issue and whose English is very limited....how on earth did she get here and get to stay here and what does she contribute to the economy???? sctatchinghead


Mutley - she's not Romanian, rather a person of Roma or Sinti origin. Roma people are in nearly every country in Europe; she's probably from Poland or Slovakia which are free of restrictions. Joining the EU brings such freedoms. Besides, I like the lad she is with who plays the accordion, he keeps me entertained every time I head into town.

By the way - Talbot, Chip and ADG clappp clappp clappp


Is that the same woman who also sells the Big Issue outside of Asda in Billingham and Thornaby?



No, thats ADG, who is now also hiring himself out as a Susan Boyle look-a-likey


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 Post subject: Re: Immigration policy
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:35 am 
BillinghamPoolie wrote:
Is that the same woman who also sells the Big Issue outside of Asda in Billingham and Thornaby?


See what I mean....they're even making English Unemployed Homeless unemployed!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

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Cheers!!!! :wink: :laugh:

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