if ian wright is sending a letter to gordon brown asking him to resign like he did with tony blair,saying the country has lost confidence in his leadership,mind i won't hold me breath like.

This is the worst night for the Labour Party in living memory.

I think Brown's skating on thin ice - at this rate, I don't think Brown will survive the weekend.

But you have the two biggest tosser's in the labour party, make that any government in the world, in your avator.

That may be the case, but I still think the situation is fragile...and I voted Labour yesterday.

I like Mandelson to be honest, he's a real character and was a great MP for Hartlepool: let's face it, I bet if you had a choice between Ian Wright and Lord Mandelson, it would be Mandy all the time.

Result from my Uni's Kent County Council ward in which i voted:

County CouncilElection Results
Last updated on 05/06/2009 on 16:02
Canterbury City South West Successful candidate(s)VYE, Martin John Liberal Democrat

Turnout % Majority
37.97 1008

Candidates Party Votes Swing
VYE, Martin John Liberal Democrat 2263 9.28%
ROBINSON, Maureen Margaret Christine The Conservative Party Candidate 1255 -0.24%
GODDEN, Elaine Margaret Green Party 673 7.53%
BUTCHER, Jean Elizabeth The Labour Party Candidate 391 -16.56%

so how many votes do you need before you lose your deposit,and did the labour party candidate lose theirs?

If it was a choice of the 2 then for the first time since I was old enough to vote I WOULDN'T.

And I have voted in every General, EU, Council and mayoral election held since I became old enough and I'm 50 now.

Was once a fully paid up card carrying member of the Labour party, walked streets delivering leaflets to get them elected in 97.

I wouldnt vote for them again, and if it was Labour and the Monster Raving Looney Party, then they would get my vote.


Did you ever live in Hartlepool when he was MP as well, if not explain how he was a great MP for Hartlepool

I think they may have lost their deposit here, I'm not sure.

I've never lived in Hartlepool, but surely if he was elected since 1992, was a European trade commissioner and was given a peerage, he must have been doing something right, surely.

No Pok, just no.

Brown-nosed Tony Blair. That's how he got those posts. He lied on his mortgage application, been sacked from Government twice.

He's a clever man and a smooth operator - but he's only interested on what people can do for him and I wouldn't trust him one bit.

PoK,

What?

It doesn't make any sense.

Why elect a man to be the town's MP if people in the town thought they didn't trust him ?

when Mandelson walks into a room, and there is nobody there of any use to him - he walks straight back out without acknowledging anybody.
What an excuse for a man he is

Your logic for basing your fondness of him is absolute rubbish!

You are so dilluded its laughable, a clown could run for labour and still get into hartlepool, the people of this town have long memories and a real hatrid of the tories, its not the man but the party that gets elected if you dont realise that your a bigger clown than I thought you were.

What happened last night could actually prove that wrong though.

No thats also misguided, labour may loose a few seats but the point of the matter they will always until the day i die hold a majority in our town. Also what happened last night is not a general election in which labour always wins.

Pok for your information Mandelson was always close to Blair and Brown. Who were both seen as Labour leaders, therefore perhaps the reason he was close to them.

Yet the man who was the Best PM the country never had, John Smith,actually kicked him to the sidelines when he was leader. Which probably means if had it not been for his untimely death and the election of Blair as Labour leader then Mandelson may well have not rerached the positions he has reached. Mandelson backed Blair in 94 resulting in his election as leader on the death of Smith. labour under Smith would still have won the 97 election that isn't even under debate. resulting in Smith as PM and Mandelson on the outside.

Therefore without the death of Smith, and this is debateable, as it's my opinion, Mandelson would only have ever been a back bencher and Mp for Hartlepool. If he had ever been given the safe seat of Hartlepool.
He made his friends early, mainly Blair and Brown, and that helped him achieve what he has.

Good point bob but your wasting your time with him, rather than him saying yer, agree, or i can see where your coming from, and rather than admit to being wrong, he'll just state some useless fact like mandelson was a member of this or leader of this so he must have been ok.

He compensates his lack of knowledge of this town by stating useless facts, which we all could do, it's a diversion technique to not answer a question direct but at the same time not admit to being wrong or not knowing stuff.

bingo - in a nutshell. Maybe he's going to uni in order to become a politician!!!!!!

Please let that not be the case. We have enough MP's who dont know what they doing (unless it's submitting false expense claims) we don't need anymore

the scary thing is - political figures in the past generally tended to have some experience in the real world, e.g. Leadbitter was a teacher for many years - today's politician's come straight from education into administrative posts, and climb the political ladder from a position of no experience of the outside world and begin creating a world in their own theoretical vision. People like Mandelson are really a cancer in politics - come on, what good has he really done, ever?

AHa that qualifies you to be elected in hartlepool if youve never actually lived here !
to be fair to mandy, i once had a business in Hartlepool and had a big problem, i went to see Mandy, and well to be honest .....................problem was solved, so i have nothing but admiration for the bloke.

And of course after yesterday's reshuffle he's now First Secretary of State: a posher name for Deputy Prime Minister!

Till next election, which in my opinion Labour will lose, with the Tories having something like a working majority of 35-50.get your money on that.

Or until some newspaper finds something else on Mandelson and yet once again he is forced to resign.

Cant be bad being deputy Prime Minister of the country without holding a seat in parliament. Not elected by any constituent. If Brown were to lose his seat at next general election and Labour won the election then he couldnt be PM.

Nepotism of the highest quality. Made a lord, so could be given a position in the government. Whatever you say thats wrong to hold a position in a government without being elected, bit like Amin, Obote, Santa Anna, Castro,Galtieri. Yes poor analogy but you can see where I'm coming from

The biggest piece of shyte ever posted on any message board. Like my old gran used to say: "Better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are an idiot rather than open it and prove the point without any doubt"

I agree. I've never understood why people even expect ministers to be any good at their government jobs. Anyone can become an MP, without proving any qualifications or commonsense whatsoever.
So, the situation seems to be : if you're lucky, you get elected and then, if you're one of the PM's allies, you're given a Cabinet job. What sort of system is that? In any other sphere of life recruiters look for people with relevant experience/qualifications, but when it come to running a country it seems any old Tom, Dick or Harry will do

Well we've got Lord Sugar now as well haven't we as the Govts advisor for the economic crisis, I mean god help us he's just a jumped up, boorish, gobshite barrow boy

Then he should be quite suitable for the position of Leader of the Labour Party!!!

You're probably the perfect advert for not giving everybody the vote.

I don't think that we should be ousting our Prime country's leader from power on the back of results of elections for a continental-wide parliament he is not even part of.

Local elections in my opinion should be judged on local issues and not be used as a protest vote after issues involving our national parliament.

I'm from a dyed-in-the-wool Labour family and even I didn't vote for them. I'm left with absolutely nothing positive to say about the party unless Alan Johnson rightfully claims his place as the leader, calls a general election in six months and see if he can turn it round.

How you can say anything about Mandy being great without having known him or lived in his constituency is absolutely f*cking beyond me. He was a more than competent at being the EU trade commissioner but using it as hindsight back-up to an argument about him being a good MP is like saying that Francis Benali was one of the best footballers in the Premiership because he had one of the biggest moustaches, whether Mandy was competent or not.

Bear in mind that people always vote Labour in Hartlepool for largely historical reasons. That's why he was imported from London.

Your naivety is absolutely dumbfounding at times.

I've just heard an interview with the chairman of the European Parliamentary Labour Party and he's just literally had the same opinion as me, that European issues should decide European elections.

Tell you what, I'm beginning to suspect that you actually believe what politicians say..........

Which puts you in a majority of ....................errr............one.