look west

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:17 pm

....is about to return as assistant manager after leaving southend

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:23 pm

Certainly plausible...

http://www.southendunited.co.uk/page/Ne ... 94,00.html

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:46 pm

"Team coaching role" - careful choice of words!

Mr Codyakker · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:50 pm

Just been confirmed by official club text

Reefmonkey · **Joined:** Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:01 pm **Posts:** 755

and Turner in post until end of season

tigro · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:56 pm

go west?

Woody M · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:05 pm **Posts:** 20

So what does all this mean? Is Turner to be replaced at the end of the season, and if so, what promises were made to Colin West to give up a permanant position at Southend. I think its very confusing. Or does it actually mean that we will have a first team coach next season, rather than a manager, notably Colin West? I hope not, but it certainly looks that way.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

The club is going backwards.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Let me guess, Colin West is a c**t?

hufc 4eva · **Joined:** Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:07 am **Posts:** 67

I think this could turn out to be a good move. I mean Turner and West worked brillitantly together last time at pools so why not work there magic again??
From the looks of it, i think Turner will possibly stay in his Director of Sport role and West will do majority of team training etc. and they will both be on sidelines for games. I think maybe one more Coach will be needed for this to work properly though and help west with training and Reserve team games. then i cant see why this cant work. Lets hope they work there magic like last time they took over, with us in a relegation battle and the next season they got us into the play offs. will be a harder task in league 1 but still we need to get behind them both and be there 12th man!!

tigro · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:29 pm

be a good move having west as manager

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

tigro wrote:

be a good move having west as manager

Woody M · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:05 pm **Posts:** 20

On what evidence do you back up that statement? I am not saying I am against West returning, but it just seems to me that he has been made a promise, a promise that doesnt sound too exciting.

hufc 4eva · **Joined:** Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:07 am **Posts:** 67

Well he will sort of be joint manager with Turner really. as all the training will be left to him by the sounds of CT's interview on website. but i do think with one more coach to help out West with day to day training etc. then this will work out and will hopefully be a long term management that we will have in place. all clubs need stability.

tigro · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:40 pm

Woody M wrote:

On what evidence do you back up that statement? I am not saying I am against West returning, but it just seems to me that he has been made a promise, a promise that doesnt sound too exciting.

no evidence, just my humble opinion, i am allowed one arent i?

Woody M · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:05 pm **Posts:** 20

so we get two coaches and joint managership? That doesnt sound too stablising to me. I would prefer we got a manager, in the traditional sense, like most sensible clubs do, then he employs a coach. What you have desribed has got disaster written all over it. If Turner is to be named manager and west his assistant, then fine. I have no problem with that.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Woody M wrote:

so we get two coaches and joint managership? That doesnt sound too stablising to me. I would prefer we got a manager, in the traditional sense, like most sensible clubs do, then he employs a coach. What you have desribed has got disaster written all over it. If Turner is to be named manager and west his assistant, then fine. I have no problem with that.

We may aswell bring back Barron into the defence and play 5-3-2?

Woody M · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:05 pm **Posts:** 20

tigro wrote:

Woody M wrote:

On what evidence do you back up that statement? I am not saying I am against West returning, but it just seems to me that he has been made a promise, a promise that doesnt sound too exciting.

no evidence, just my humble opinion, i am allowed one arent i?

I would think you are. I would just like to read a reasoned opinion as to why its a good idea, then I might actually agree with you. Surely it isnt rude to ask is it?

tigro · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:45 pm

actually it is :coool:

hufc 4eva · **Joined:** Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:07 am **Posts:** 67

Woody M wrote:

so we get two coaches and joint managership? That doesnt sound too stablising to me. I would prefer we got a manager, in the traditional sense, like most sensible clubs do, then he employs a coach. What you have desribed has got disaster written all over it. If Turner is to be named manager and west his assistant, then fine. I have no problem with that.

By the sounds of things i meant they will be joint managers till end of season where Hodcroft will review it. which is when i think they will get another coach in or maybe keep turner as manager and west as asisstant and get a new Director of Sport. Or maybe even install West as manager and get an asisstant and keep Turner is his current role.

What ever it is, we need to give them our support and give them the best chance of success.

Sorry if i didnt explain properly what i meant in 1st post.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

What on earth are you blabbering on about? They are not joint managers and never have been. Turner is manager and West his number 2. Its not rocket science.

Mick Tait's Head Bandage · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:17 pm

Tree_With_Hamster wrote:

The club is going backwards.

I think this is quite possibly the only time i've ever agreed with you! :wink:

Obafemi Obsession · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:31 pm

We're all doomed!

linighan_sisters · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:40 pm

What a lot of miseries. Looks to me like Turner and West both know they can work together and want to work together. To attract West back to Pools, the promise of the possibility of a manager's role is there in the summer, though this depends on results and finance for an extra coach to be appointed. If we get relegated, then that sparky new noticeboard will be on e-Bay and Turner and West will be taking turns driving the bus to away matches.

Money is indeed tight - the oil sector is no longer in boom time. But the real danger of our uncle Ken giving up will arise if the council say the ground is never going to be sold. That would put a block on future non-football income, when it is clear that football income is never likely to finance this club in Div 1. Otherwise, I see no immediate sign of his investment or enthusiasm drying up around current generous levels. He has never paid big transfer fees or wages - if Dimi now wants Pools to match the kind of pay he gets at Coventry, then too bad.

Obafemi Obsession · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:07 pm

To be fair to chip, he is a miserable get at times but you could never question his commitment.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37459

FFS ... times are hard and it appears we are going to have in place two people who worked well here before....mind you , as all the experts are on the boards, isn't it time Uncle Ken looked on here and appointed the people who know.

Obafemi Obsession · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:11 pm

Well said Snowy. West and Turner know the club and are a safe pair of hands.

linighan_sisters · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:33 pm

OK Chip, you win the medal for services to gloom.

I never said that the team has played consistently brilliantly this year or that the investment of an extra million or two wouldn't improve matters. But, contrary to your experiences at Hudderfield and Brighton and Walsall, you might mention Stoke and Hudderfield at home. Some of our current players can play better, so I don't think West is wasting his time.

As for Dimi and Kyle, financial arrangements were deemed satisfactory in one case and not the other. Clearly, these loan deals are price sensitive, since at the same time as not signing Dimi, we shipped in Nardiello and the Norwegian goal machine. Do you think it possible that the offer to Coventry from Cardiff was better than that from Pools? Now I agree with you that without a new goalkeeper and a new left back, we are struggling. But don't complain there is no sign of new investment from IOR. How much money do you think the club will lose this year? Perhaps we should have a poll on that.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37459

chip fireball wrote:

Obafemi Obsession wrote:

To be fair to chip, he is a miserable get at times but you could never question his commitment.

i was very positive after the huddersfield game and sounded a rallying cry for fans to turn up in their numbers for the walsall game.

a small crowd turned up to see another 2 points get spunked. another own goal, more shiit defending, more crap goalkeeping, and other game where we scored 2 or more goals at home and didnt win.

theres only so much you can take.

i dont think it really matters who is in charge. football is about money at the end of the day.

as for being a safe pair of hands...utter bollocks. they had 3 reasonably good years at pools when they had 6 figure sums to spend on players, the biggest squad in the division and the biggest wage bill in the division.

dont think the fans of sheff wed and stockport thought turner was a safe pair of hands when he was getting them relegated. rolfl

So just why does Uncle Ken keep overlooking you for the job?...Tree for coach anyone ....?

WestParkPoolie · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:50 pm

Setting up a scouting network in Norway doesn't seem to me like a sign that IOR are going to pack it all in. Times are tough, and they are cutting their cloth accordingly.

Long term investment seems to be the key - a good scouting system and getting players likely to cost far less than those of similar ability in the UK seems a smart thing to do.

Just because we haven't signed a keeper & a left back doesn't mean we haven't tried. I'm disappointed by it & I think we have a tough run in to the end of the season - but there are far worse clubs to support.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37459

Y'know what, I think I've been very patient for a while, but I really am getting pissed off with the defeatist attitude that is starting to riddle this board like woodworm ....Admittedly I can't, or have no desire to stop people expressing comments of a generally depressing nature, but I reserve the right to question some of the more surreal 'demands' that are made.
Will Turner and west turn it around, I don't know .... but I'll give them a chance .. I even gave Scotty and Wilson that, so my patience will last till the seasons end. So I'll get behind the team, as I don't believe this is a time for sniping from the sidelines and making silly demands ... Yes, we need a keeper and two full backs, but as I am not privilege to the circumstances or background, I can hardly pass comment. So I'll make the best of what I've got
There are some who appear to get an erection at things going wrong, or even mildly off track, sadly, they are beyond help and reason. I would like to think that just for once, we could all accept things as they are and actually try getting behind what we've got, instead of having silly expectations that may have to wait to be resolved in the summer. I LIVE IN HOPE. :roll:

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:09 pm

Well said Mr Snowy.

linighan_sisters · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:14 pm

As for Dimi, it is true that an employer (ie Coventry FC) cannot force an employee to take a job many miles away from the place of employment without it being construed as unfair dismissal. But the employer can block a move away to X if Y is willing to reimburse more of the wages and the employee is willing to go to either X or Y (even if X is the preferred option). The fact that Y is both Swansea and Cardiff in turn makes no odds to the point. You are wrong to think it was his choice alone. His employer still has a say which can be negative (you can't go to Pools) and positive (if you want, you can go to Swansea or Cardiff).

Had Pools been willing to make an offer which was better than Swansea and then Cardiff, then Coventry would not have stood in the way. But competing with Swansea and then Cardiff may be 'following through' in the same way that Rotherham and Bournemouth followed through.

Colin West and Chris Turner improved players here last time round and can do it again. And the Norwegian goal machine will deliver. And Michael Mackay will sign for Gateshead. Chin up.

aido87 · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:30 pm

Snowy wrote:

Y'know what, I think I've been very patient for a while, but I really am getting pissed off with the defeatist attitude that is starting to riddle this board like woodworm ....Admittedly I can't, or have no desire to stop people expressing comments of a generally depressing nature, but I reserve the right to question some of the more surreal 'demands' that are made.
Will Turner and west turn it around, I don't know .... but I'll give them a chance .. I even gave Scotty and Wilson that, so my patience will last till the seasons end. So I'll get behind the team, as I don't believe this is a time for sniping from the sidelines and making silly demands ... Yes, we need a keeper and two full backs, but as I am not privilege to the circumstances or background, I can hardly pass comment. So I'll make the best of what I've got
There are some who appear to get an erection at things going wrong, or even mildly off track, sadly, they are beyond help and reason. I would like to think that just for once, we could all accept things as they are and actually try getting behind what we've got, instead of having silly expectations that may have to wait to be resolved in the summer. I LIVE IN HOPE. :roll:

excellent post. and i can't quite believe i've just typed that :roll:

chip, i recognise beyond doubt where you're coming from, and where your loyalties lie, but we don't know everything that has gone on behind the scenes. all i see is a team with lots of potential, but also a lot of flaws. i see a manager who quite obviously passionate about the job, albeit he's only a stopgap. now more than ever before, the playing staff need our support and patience. i trust IOR, perhaps i'm naive. they are the best thing that's ever happened to this club, and for whatever their reasoning, i'm delighted that they're continuing to back us.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37459

chip fireball wrote:

linighan_sisters wrote:

As for Dimi, it is true that an employer (ie Coventry FC) cannot force an employee to take a job many miles away from the place of employment without it being construed as unfair dismissal. But the employer can block a move away to X if Y is willing to reimburse more of the wages and the employee is willing to go to either X or Y (even if X is the preferred option). The fact that Y is both Swansea and Cardiff in turn makes no odds to the point. You are wrong to think it was his choice alone. His employer still has a say which can be negative (you can't go to Pools) and positive (if you want, you can go to Swansea or Cardiff).

Had Pools been willing to make an offer which was better than Swansea and then Cardiff, then Coventry would not have stood in the way. But competing with Swansea and then Cardiff may be 'following through' in the same way that Rotherham and Bournemouth followed through.

Chin up.

im sorry but you are factually incorrect. coventry could not make dimi go to swansea and the player was prepared to refuse to go to swansea, if coventry blocked his move to pools.

as it happens the football league would not allow dimi to go back to swansea and pools had a second opportunity to sign the player before cardiffs keeper got injured.

the point i am making is that turner want to sign dimi and ior wouldnt give him the money. so what im saying is that its really immaterial how good turner and west are as managers ( a point both you and snowy seem to be struggling with ) because if they cannot get the money they need to strengthen the squad in key areas this summer then the club will go backwards . and this was was the original question posed, are the club going backwards...imho the evidence suggests they are.

crowds both home and away are down, atmosphere is non existent, and all the signs are that we wont even match last seasons 14th place.

thats the reality of the situation.

perhaps those of the rose tinted variety accusing those of us going to games of being negative in our reports back from the trenches might actually want get off their arses this weekend and get to milton keynes and practice what they preach...i.e supporting the team rather than sitting at home in the warm occupying the moral high ground. :roll:

I've read all that and can ensure you I am struggling with fook all.......... Dimi, forget it, I am sick to death of the Dimi saga, if the money wasn't there, it wasn't there, as in everyday life you get on with what you've got, in this cas we get on without him. As for the dig about actually going to away matches and supoporting the team, some of us have to work weekends, it's called a shift pattern and employers don't see Pools as a valid reason to miss work. But quite frankly, if I could, I wouldn't go to many away matches, as I have something called a family I enjoy being with, it also costs and while Pools have always been part of my life, they aren't my life, so spare me the view from the moral high ground.

linighan_sisters · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:17 pm

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im sorry but you are factually incorrect. coventry could not make dimi go to swansea and the player was prepared to refuse to go to swansea, if coventry blocked his move to pools.

How can I be factually incorrect when he actually went to Swansea and I said explicitly that, as an employer, Coventry could not make Dimi go to Swansea if he didn't want to go at all? You are factually incorrect both about the facts of what happened and the facts of what I said. That's a lot of wrongness, Chip. The depression must be getting to you!

But I agree that Turner wanted to sign Dimi and IOR would not provide the kind of money that it took to get him - the kind of money that Swansea and Cardiff could afford. But this is not the same as saying that IOR won't hand over any cash to Turner and West in any circumstances either now (Nardiello, Norwegian goal machine etc) or, as you now raise as an issue, in the summer.

Is the club going backwards? My estimation is more that the evidence points to us standing still, as the league position shows. But in fairness, there is still investment in players and in infrastructure. A decisive move forward for the current chairman requires the council to sell the ground.

I have been to as many away matches as home matches this season, so I've seen some poor performances. Actually, Crewe at home was the worst. But I've also seen some good performances. My prediction is we'll finish around where we were last season. Not good enough, but then IOR are also not satisfied with that performance and expect better for their £1m investment per annum, and Turner seems to believe he can deliver it over time within existing resources. I don't think I'd sack him at this stage for entertaining such rose-tinted ideas.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Chip talking sense as usual. Good read.

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:21 am

chip fireball wrote:

ive never suggested we sack him.

if turner cant get money out of the owners thats not his fault, and if ior wont give him the money for the players he wants, or at least some of the players he wants because they dont have it then thats fair enough.

as far as im concerned the fault lies as much with the people of this town as anyone else. if they cant be arsed to go to games then the town will end up getting the team it deserves.

theres many who were born and bred here who prefer going to watch the boro/mags/mackems or even worse follow liverpool and man utd via the box.

almost as bad are those who come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who actually goes to games and has a negative opinion of what they see, but dont themselves actually go because of work/family/shopping/washing my hair/cleaning the fooking car committments. " oh you are so negative " they say " it makes me really annoyed when fellows like you complain about things when you should be supporting the team like i do by checking the results on the radio. you are always so happy when pools lose."

stuff like that boils my piss because yeah i was over fooking joyed when brighton scored in injury time last week. after freezing my bastad nuts off i turned to mr parmo and mr tax paying poolie and rejoiced that now we would have something to moan about.

lets get real here... the club are going backwards. of course they are. a few years ago we were at cardiff. the owners were talking of the championship being our goal, gates of 5000+ were the norm.

now the aim is simply survival in this division, gates are almost back to what they were pre- ior, atmosphere is non existent, the good players want away, and nothern league standard players get to play in the first team.

and to be perfectly honest if thats how it is then thats how it is, but im not gonna sit here and try and convince myself and others that we are moving forward or even standing still because i would be lying.

if ior dont have the money i accept that, but what they can do is at least make sure they cut admission prices/ season ticket prices next season because if they dont strengthen the squad and they leave seating at 20 pop a game attendances will continue to fall.

Good post chip, but in a playing sense we are still doing relatively well in the context of Hartlepool United. Pre IOR we were alright with the position we are in now in the league below and pre IOR or crowds were often 1500-2000 less than they are now. What has happened is probably more of natural progession, we had a run of great memorable seasons which were topped off by our first two seasons at this level, then we got relegated and came straight back up, then we've had two normal football seasons that most other fans have to endure while we've had something to play for every single season. At the end of the day we are 'supporters' we don't really do this by choice anymore, it's what we do. We could be more vocal at games and we could get behind the team more, all of us.

People who claimed to being die hard Pools fans throughout that always interesting period quite clerly aren't, they probably turned up for the West Ham game mind but why worry about them? They aren't made of the same stuff as us....

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:31 am

chip fireball wrote:

almost as bad are those who come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who actually goes to games and has a negative opinion of what they see, but dont themselves actually go because of work/family/shopping/washing my hair/cleaning the fooking car committments. "

Wasn't that long ago that one of those was your excuse for not going to away games Mr.Chip!!!! confised

But now you're back in employment.... confised

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:32 am

PS....but I do agree with 90% of what you wrote!!!! :grin:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37459

Who said you can't be negative after going to away matches? Nobody. As for away matches, you go to away matches because it all boils down to the fact you enjoy going, to say anything else would indicate some serious mental health defect. ... but that's taking the discussion down a path it never went in the first place and making insinuations that were never made.
We can all see we've got a season of treading water, but it's a bit like being in a lifeboat, you try and stay afloat and get sorted, you don't expect to go off for a high speed cruise around the fookin bay as some people seem to expect expect and I don't include you in that category.
As for the fans, even despite promotion, we've had nearly four of the most banal, boring, indifferent years I can ever recall, the Mogadon Years, .... so even the fans will have to get their confidence back as well, it affects the fans more than the players, they all leave evntually, you can't.
As for putting down prices, the economics of the club are not in my remit, but how many people wanting a couple of quid off never whinge about all the additional expenses in volved on a match day, drink etc? Fook me, they've put the prices up a pound, I'll just sink a quick pint before I go brigade usually being the biggest offenders. I can see a scheme for cheap kids tickets, but for all kids, not this season ticket holders only, there are kids who'd go but no chance of their useless parents taking them, Our old feller went but he went with his mates and we were actually banned from going .... :roll:

Criticise away, but stop and put things into perspective some times, we live in a town that is 80% full of indifferent twats who spend their entire time knocking the place or moaning about it and their attitude towards it is reflected in their indifference towards the team. LET'S NOT JOIN THE '80%' EH?

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Does anyone actually think it'll make any difference with West as number 2 than if we had anyone else? I don't and am not bothered about his appointment.

Do Southend have any spare full backs/ goalies he can bring with him?

hufc 4eva · **Joined:** Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:07 am **Posts:** 67

I dont think it will make a massive difference but it will just give Turner more of a Director of Sport role and let West do all the training etc and then they both pick team for games. But i think it will help the team having someone else in to help Turner instead of him doing it alone and Barron trying to juggle 2 jobs aswel. Least with West's appointment it gives the 3 of them seperate roles and they are not all trying to do 2 jobs at once. Hopefully this will improve the results we get on the pitch.

linighan_sisters · **Posted:** Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:34 pm

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are we going backwards as a club ? the answer is imho yes we are because the money has dried up and the casual fans have lost interest

Are we going backwards? Our current league status says not and even the league status last season was an improvement on the previous season. We are not going forward this season, but the facts don't say we are going backwards.

The money has not dried up. Around £1m was invested in the club in financial year 2007-8 - a record amount. Because of crowd sizes, I bet you it won't be any less amount this season. Wilson and Turner have had money from IOR for players this season - not all the players he would like, but almost all managers are in that position. If we come back to Dimi, the problem seems to have been not a flat refusal of money from IOR but that the level of money on offer did not match Championship clubs.

Casual fans do indeed lose interest in mid-table teams, but to say we are back to pre-IOR days is again utter twaddle. If you take 12 years of pre-IOR to match 12 years of post IOR, I'm confident you will find a higher average attendance in the latter.

Is Colin West a good appointment? The two work get on well together and produced good results here last time round. I think it's worth the further investment.

No doubt your pals in what you call the 'Bunker elite' will support your views and not mine, but even outside that elite there are those of us who go to plenty of matches, home and away, and have supported the club for five decades. Your claims to commitment and so on are not unique nor do they give you unique insights. Well done for having the spirit to get the singing going at the away end at Huddersfield. Unfortunately, the same emotions also seem to blind you to the facts.

Obafemi Obsession · **Posted:** Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:42 pm

Great post.

hufc 4eva · **Joined:** Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:07 am **Posts:** 67

linighan_sisters wrote:

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are we going backwards as a club ? the answer is imho yes we are because the money has dried up and the casual fans have lost interest

Are we going backwards? Our current league status says not and even the league status last season was an improvement on the previous season. We are not going forward this season, but the facts don't say we are going backwards.

The money has not dried up. Around £1m was invested in the club in financial year 2007-8 - a record amount. Because of crowd sizes, I bet you it won't be any less amount this season. Wilson and Turner have had money from IOR for players this season - not all the players he would like, but almost all managers are in that position. If we come back to Dimi, the problem seems to have been not a flat refusal of money from IOR but that the level of money on offer did not match Championship clubs.

Casual fans do indeed lose interest in mid-table teams, but to say we are back to pre-IOR days is again utter twaddle. If you take 12 years of pre-IOR to match 12 years of post IOR, I'm confident you will find a higher average attendance in the latter.

Is Colin West a good appointment? The two work get on well together and produced good results here last time round. I think it's worth the further investment.

No doubt your pals in what you call the 'Bunker elite' will support your views and not mine, but even outside that elite there are those of us who go to plenty of matches, home and away, and have supported the club for five decades. Your claims to commitment and so on are not unique nor do they give you unique insights. Well done for having the spirit to get the singing going at the away end at Huddersfield. Unfortunately, the same emotions also seem to blind you to the facts.

I totally agree!

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:03 pm

Well I'm in the Bunker elite and I'm saying nowt!! :evil:

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:15 pm

You don't know how to say nowt!!

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