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 Post subject: The FA
PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:55 pm 
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After they didn't increase Chris Morgan's ban said this in their statement:

'When judging whether to take disciplinary action in this case, the FA has had to consider the challenge itself and not the outcome of it.

The FA has been given express direction from Fifa that we cannot upgrade yellow cards to red

On this basis we can only bring additional charges in the most exceptional casesand only if it can be proved beyond doubt the actions of a player were a deliberate attempt to injure an opponent.

So ours is an exceptional case? ALB missed their lad and caused him no injury, Chris Morgan left Iain Hume in a high dependency (the next best thing to intensive care) and fractured his cheekbone.

I have no qualms with ALB getting a 3 match ban but the inconsistency is absolutely staggering.

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 Post subject: Re: The FA
PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:04 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: The FA
PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:09 pm 
They haven't upgraded a yellow card to a red. ALB was sent off for a completely different incident to the one he was booked for. As far as I know his booking stands. The referee in the Morgan incident saw the challenge and deemed it a yellow, with ALB's he booked him for his aggressive behavior once he'd stood up he didn't see the elbow, if he had he'd have sent him off.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA
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as I have said on another thread Chris, there were 2 incidents ie. the attempted elbow and the push by ALB on the other guy who came in. I 'believe' the ref gave the yellow card for one of the incidents but missed the other ie. as one of the incidents was unpunished he gave a straight red after the event.

Agree the FA are a law unto themselves mind. The Hume debacle is a joke banghead


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I was a bit slow off the mark i'm afraid bbolt


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 Post subject: Re: The FA
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It's still a ludicrous state of affairs whether it was upgraded or not in my opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: The FA
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Liverpool players all wore t-shirts in honour of Micheal Shield's for Monday nights games but won't be receiving any further action. What exactly is the difference between what he did and what David Norris did to get a 5k fine? sctatchinghead

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 Post subject: Re: The FA
PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:46 pm 
Who is Michael Shield? sctatchinghead


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 Post subject: Re: The FA
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ALB was booked for abusive language and grabing their player after the elbow incident.

He was given 3 game ban for the elbow which the referee admitted he missed.

Sorry but the FA have got it spot on.

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Obafemi Obsession wrote:
Who is Michael Shield? sctatchinghead


he's the scouser who was found guilty of hitting a barman with a paving slab in Belgrade. he denies it was him. He's since been repatriated and is serving his sentence in the UK. Jack Straw says he doesn't have the authority to free him so there's an appeal going to the high court.

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ALB was booked for abusive language and grabing their player after the elbow incident.

He was given 3 game ban for the elbow which the referee admitted he missed.

Sorry but the FA have got it spot on.


As I said, he deserves a 3 match ban.

I just wish there was some kind of consistency. His elbow was nothing compared to Morgans who won't be having any action against him.

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It's still a ludicrous state of affairs whether it was upgraded or not in my opinion.


whats ludicrous? A player getting a 3 game ban for swinging an elbow at someones head?

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Tree_With_Hamster wrote:
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It's still a ludicrous state of affairs whether it was upgraded or not in my opinion.


whats ludicrous? A player getting a 3 game ban for swinging an elbow at someones head?


No...... :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: The FA
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Tax Paying Poolie wrote:
Tree_With_Hamster wrote:
ALB was booked for abusive language and grabing their player after the elbow incident.

He was given 3 game ban for the elbow which the referee admitted he missed.

Sorry but the FA have got it spot on.


As I said, he deserves a 3 match ban.

I just wish there was some kind of consistency. His elbow was nothing compared to Morgans who won't be having any action against him.



Morgan is a thug and in my opinion it was intentional but and i know I will be slated for this, but ALBs is more blatant with regard to intent. Morgan had the defence that he had eye on the ball and was using his arms for leverage to jump. Im sorry but the ball wasnt even in play when ALB swang and therefore there is no doubt that he intended to harm their guy.

Like I say i think Morgan meant it, but with ALB there is no doubt whatsoever.

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 Post subject: Re: The FA
PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:59 pm 
Tree_With_Hamster wrote:
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It's still a ludicrous state of affairs whether it was upgraded or not in my opinion.


whats ludicrous? A player getting a 3 game ban for swinging an elbow at someones head?



I think you've missed the point

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Frodraff wrote:
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Who is Michael Shield? sctatchinghead


he's the scouser who was found guilty of hitting a barman with a paving slab in Belgrade. he denies it was him. He's since been repatriated and is serving his sentence in the UK. Jack Straw says he doesn't have the authority to free him so there's an appeal going to the high court.


When Norris did the celebration everybody was rightly saying 'what a lack of respect he has shown for the young kids family'.

Well what about the lack of respect it has shown for the barman's family? Surely it's exactly the same?

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 Post subject: Re: The FA
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Tree_With_Hamster wrote:
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ALB was booked for abusive language and grabing their player after the elbow incident.

He was given 3 game ban for the elbow which the referee admitted he missed.

Sorry but the FA have got it spot on.


As I said, he deserves a 3 match ban.

I just wish there was some kind of consistency. His elbow was nothing compared to Morgans who won't be having any action against him.



Morgan is a thug and in my opinion it was intentional but and i know I will be slated for this, but ALBs is more blatant with regard to intent. Morgan had the defence that he had eye on the ball and was using his arms for leverage to jump. Im sorry but the ball wasnt even in play when ALB swang and therefore there is no doubt that he intended to harm their guy.

Like I say i think Morgan meant it, but with ALB there is no doubt whatsoever.


I personally think if the amount of leverage you're using to jump is enough to almost put someone in intensive care and fracture their skull then you're using a bit too much leverage!

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 Post subject: Re: The FA
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Morgan is a thug and in my opinion it was intentional but and i know I will be slated for this, but ALBs is more blatant with regard to intent. Morgan had the defence that he had eye on the ball and was using his arms for leverage to jump. Im sorry but the ball wasnt even in play when ALB swang and therefore there is no doubt that he intended to harm their guy.

Like I say i think Morgan meant it, but with ALB there is no doubt whatsoever.[/quote]

I personally think if the amount of leverage you're using to jump is enough to almost put someone in intensive care and fracture their skull then you're using a bit too much leverage![/quote]


Like I say I think he meant it but theres doubt there however how small. With ALB there is none and I think thats how the FA were thinking. Lets just be glad ALB never made proper contact oh and be glad that Jan is in goal :grin: :grin:

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sctatchinghead



Not directed at you mate, im just expected to be slated for my above opinion because I wasnt wearing rose tinted.

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Tree_With_Hamster wrote:
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sctatchinghead



Not directed at you mate, im just expected to be slated for my above opinion because I wasnt wearing rose tinted.


That doesn't make sense.

And I'm not slagging you off before you start crying about it!

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 Post subject: Re: The FA
PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:13 pm 
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ALB was booked for abusive language and grabing their player after the elbow incident.

He was given 3 game ban for the elbow which the referee admitted he missed.

Sorry but the FA have got it spot on.


As I said, he deserves a 3 match ban.

I just wish there was some kind of consistency. His elbow was nothing compared to Morgans who won't be having any action against him.



Morgan is a thug and in my opinion it was intentional but and i know I will be slated for this, but ALBs is more blatant with regard to intent. Morgan had the defence that he had eye on the ball and was using his arms for leverage to jump. Im sorry but the ball wasnt even in play when ALB swang and therefore there is no doubt that he intended to harm their guy.

Like I say i think Morgan meant it, but with ALB there is no doubt whatsoever.


Leverage to jump!? He didn't jump both feet were on the ground, that's why I think Morgans was definitely intentional as he was heading a ball from a standing position, he didn't need his arms. ALB was lucky that he didn't contact but the red mist had descended as he'd just been elbowed in the chin while trying to collect the ball, I don't think Morgan meant to inure Hume but he did mean to get him. The ref should have done what the referee has in the ALB case and said had he seen the severity of the elbow he'd have sent him off then the FA could have acted against Morgan and in my opinion he'd have got a long ban.


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Frodraff wrote:
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Who is Michael Shield? sctatchinghead


he's the scouser who was found guilty of hitting a barman with a paving slab in Belgrade. he denies it was him. He's since been repatriated and is serving his sentence in the UK. Jack Straw says he doesn't have the authority to free him so there's an appeal going to the high court.
He'll have been repatriated on the grounds he serves his Bulgarian sentence over here, so it's no ones business. If this results in him getting released, it'll muck it up for others trying to serve their sentences in this country, as the host country will say no chance if there's a chance of them short circuiting and basically disrespecting their legal system
Just imagine if a Bulgarian fan had done the same over here, was repatriated and then released, there'd be an outcry.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:49 pm 
Obviously not. The rarf.


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Morgan had the defence that he had eye on the ball and was using his arms for leverage to jump.

sctatchinghead

Mr With_Hamster, have you seen it?


Yes but the ball is in play so thats what he can say. Its not what im saying but its an excuse he could use. ALB does not have that excuse. Thats my point.

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Obviously not. The rarf.


Adding nothing but abuse again.

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 Post subject: Re: The FA
PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:04 am 
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Obafemi Obsession wrote:
Who is Michael Shield? sctatchinghead


he's the scouser who was found guilty of hitting a barman with a paving slab in Belgrade. he denies it was him. He's since been repatriated and is serving his sentence in the UK. Jack Straw says he doesn't have the authority to free him so there's an appeal going to the high court.


But hasn't the person who actually done it admitted it but the Bulgarian courts wouldn't have nowt???? sctatchinghead sctatchinghead


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:35 am 
and didn't he pass one of those lie detector tests?? like on Trisha!!





as for Morgan, he definately meant it and should have been banned after.
have you seen the state of Humes head?
it was on SSN, huge massive scar round his head!


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MutleyRules wrote:
Frodraff wrote:
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Who is Michael Shield? sctatchinghead


he's the scouser who was found guilty of hitting a barman with a paving slab in Belgrade. he denies it was him. He's since been repatriated and is serving his sentence in the UK. Jack Straw says he doesn't have the authority to free him so there's an appeal going to the high court.


But hasn't the person who actually done it admitted it but the Bulgarian courts wouldn't have nowt???? sctatchinghead sctatchinghead
1. Did the person who say they did it, wait till they got back to this country to admit it?
2. Did they offer to go back and help sort it out?
3. Was this person one of the lads mates?

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