Lee Hughes

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:13 am

He's served his time and is a free man fair enough but what did people think of way he conducted himself on the field yesterday? For me his behavior made me feel a little uncomfortable. He seems to believe he is some sort of pantomime villain who can have a bit of laugh when he gets stick from the crowd, his actions actually resulted in a mans death and he should expect jeering. He should respond to that by getting his head down and playing football not dancing around like a fooking goon and goading people.

I couldn't chant his name and idolise him like the Oldham fans did, he's a horrible bastard.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

I agree with the sentiments of this thread but I'm sure Hughes would argue that he did that celebration even before the events of a few years ago.

Anyone who can be so smug after what he did deserves a good fucking kicking in my opinion

TforTurner · **Joined:** Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:37 pm **Posts:** 689

And the Oldham supporters arn't much better...i believe the words "a national treasure" were used on another message board because they believe he will score 30+ this season... Even if he did, i still couldn't chant his name as there supporters did.

As for his celibration and practically sucking the ref off, he should have been in the book.

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:52 am

He was staring people out and goading them in Cyril Knowles when the second goal went in as well, I just sat shaking my head what is he on?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

What a load of pompous, two faced, one sided, people you lot are.

Bob Newton did exactly the same thing but an awful lot of you mark him out as a 'poolie legend'.

Both were pissheads who killed innocent people.

PS: at least Hughes seemed to have learned his lesson, Newton was again done for drink driving less than a year ago.

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:23 pm

I've never witnessed Bob Newton kick a ball.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:29 pm

PJ_Poolie wrote:

I've never witnessed Bob Newton kick a ball.

Nor me, and I never idolised him

Lee Hughes is a bounder, who has oddly enough converted to Islam, yet I saw him take a drink of water yesterday, the bounder

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:34 pm

Bob Newton is one of my favourite Pools football players of all time. Not a favourite human being.

If Hughes was signed by Danny Wilson tomorrow, I know completely unlikely for several reasons, I would have no problem enjoying watching him score goals for us.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

BillinghamPoolie wrote:

Bob Newton is one of my favourite Pools football players of all time. Not a favourite human being.

Its a shame Dave Wiggett never got the chance to see if he could have been anyones favourite player.

Mute Witness · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:10 am **Posts:** 3572

There comes a time when you have to stop holding a crime against somebody. Yes he did a very bad thing and I'm sure the victims family won't be forgetting it shortly.

But for how long should it be held against him? Is he not allowed to get on with his life? Should he live in a darkened room away from the public?

People getting kicks (and some people loved and enjoyed singing murderer) out of chanting murderer is making a mockery of what the victims that generally suffered. People should not be getting enjoyment out of it. I refuse to sing murderer.

Nevertheless, Hughes should not be making a mockery of it either (if that's what he did).

I'm not a holy person but the Bible is full of second chances and forgivness (apparantly), let's let him get on with his life.

He's still a kunt though. :evil:

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

PJ_Poolie wrote:

I've never witnessed Bob Newton kick a ball.

Me neither.

From what I've heard though I reckon he's over-rated!

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

To be honest John, I don't think my comment should have been aimed at anyone directly on this thread. It's just that the whole Bob Newton - Poolie legend thing really grips my shit. As happened with Hughes at Coventry; the bloke should have been sacked immediately he was found guilty and never been allowed to darken our doorstep again once he was released. Instead we have people holding him in high esteem and inviting him to attend all sorts of things.

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5095

DanielGaunt wrote:

There comes a time when you have to stop holding a crime against somebody. Yes he did a very bad thing and I'm sure the victims family won't be forgetting it shortly.

But for how long should it be held against him? Is he not allowed to get on with his life? Should he live in a darkened room away from the public?

People getting kicks (and some people loved and enjoyed singing murderer) out of chanting murderer is making a mockery of what the victims that generally suffered. People should not be getting enjoyment out of it. I refuse to sing murderer.

Nevertheless, Hughes should not be making a mockery of it either (if that's what he did).

I'm not a holy person but the Bible is full of second chances and forgivness (apparantly), let's let him get on with his life.

He's still a kunt though. :evil:

in comparing the 2 offences there is no time limit
Newton was a pisshead who could score goals
hughes is a pisshead who can score goals
as long as he appears against us this will be a topic that will come up

katcha · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:33 pm

i think hughes may well be embarrassed for what he did and maybe is sick of getting tagged murderer whereever he goes and perhaps the clap at the cloud when he stated that he was a bitch was to try and take the sting out of the situation. he's done his time, he's trying to sort his shite out in front of thousands of people who dislike him every week. That alone takes some bollocks and whilst i'm not trying to understate his crime, the fact is that he has served his time and is out now and could have worked in factory etc but chose to play again and set himself up for so much hatred.

Like i said in the subs thread, I'd have him in my side

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

codyakker may put me right on this but i dont think bob newton made a run from the scene as hughes did
for me that is a big comparison on both cases

baby lemonade · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:59 pm

i witnessed bob newton on many occassions, and he was AND still is a hero of mine. he was a fucking legend in a pools shirt, despite the pomposity aimed towards him on here. he may not have been as virtuous and holy as the posters on here, and admittedly he was a deeply flawed human being, but he was a great footballer and i have wonderful memories of him as a player and a hero. i am unrepentant as a bob newton admirer.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

baby lemonade wrote:

i witnessed bob newton on many occassions, and he was AND still is a hero of mine. he was a f*** legend in a pools shirt, despite the pomposity aimed towards him on here. he may not have been as virtuous and holy as the posters on here, and admittedly he was a deeply flawed human being, but he was a great footballer and i have wonderful memories of him as a player and a hero. i am unrepentant as a bob newton admirer.

In which case you need to give your head a shake. He's a pisshead, an unreformed drink driver and killer.

baby lemonade · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:04 pm

as i said....unrepentant. bob newton is a hero of mine. fuck you!

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

Yeah I can see why you two might click. Any other heroes? Maybe Arthur Hutchinson, he's a poolie too. He's a rapist mind you but hey ho.

baby lemonade · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:28 pm

i wish i was a righteous as you, itd be dead good!! people might throw rose petals before my feet as they use my piss as mouth wash... :roll:

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:54 pm

gremmlin wrote:

codyakker may put me right on this but i dont think bob newton made a run from the scene as hughes did
for me that is a big comparison on both cases

Didn't Netwon break his leg, so he couldn't have done a runner even if he wanted to....?

The Lightning Tree · **Joined:** Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:30 pm **Posts:** 5804

I'm not sure about this but at the time didn't newton try to pin the blame of the driving on wiggett

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

Hughes seems to have learned his lesson. Newton never did.

Quote:

Drink shame for ex-Pools ace Newton

Published Date: 20 December 2007
A FORMER Pools legend who was once jailed for killing a team mate in a drunken car smash has been caught drink driving again.

Former fans' favourite Bob Newton, 51, appeared before magistrates in his home town of Chesterfield earlier this week after being caught driving while almost twice the alcohol limit. Newton was jailed for nine months in 1979 at Teesside Crown Court after crashing the car he was driving and killing his Pools team mate David Wiggett, who was a passenger.
The court heard Newton was driving his father's car when it left the road on a right-hand bend, hit a road sign, ploughed across a garage forecourt and smashed into a wall. The centre forward admitted drink driving, but denied causing death by reckless driving. He was found guilty after a two day trial. Newton was also given a four-month suspended prison sentence and banned for five years after admitting reckless driving at Derby Crown Court in 1986. Newton has now been back before a court after being stopped by police while almost twice the drink-drive limit.

Newton, who was working as a lorry driver at the time, has been forced to quit his job and says he is "appalled" to find himself in court while working as a professional driver. Magistrates in Chesterfield heard police saw Newton driving a Vauxhall Combo van from a pub car park at 6.30pm on December 4. He failed a roadsidebreath test and then went on to provide a reading of 62microgrammes of alcohol in 100millilitres of breath, almost double the limit of 35microgrammes.

Newton admitted drink driving and was banned for 12 months and fined £415 with £60 costs.

Jonathan Taaffe, mitigating, said Newton had intended to leave the van at the pub and walk home. But he decided to move it after being told it could cause an obstruction the following morning. "He's appalled to be in court as a professional driver. He didn't think he would be over the limit," added Mr Taaffe. Newton had two spells with Pools in the 1970s and 1980s, scoring 50 goals in 161 games.

He appeared in the Mail in 1998 when he raised cash for charity by taking part in a cycling marathon to Russia.

baby lemonade · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:55 pm

and hes still a hero to many in hartlepool, or do you think those people should really be worshipping you for your wisdom and flawless life?

baby lemonade · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:10 pm

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

PJ_Poolie wrote:

I've never witnessed Bob Newton kick a ball.

Me neither.

From what I've heard though I reckon he's over-rated!

ffs!!! ive heard your mother sucks cock for a fiver a go, but because ive never witnessed it id have the common sense to reserve judgement

Poolie of Kent · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:14 pm

Oldham Athletic FC, a small professional football club but a professional football club at that, should be ashamed of employing Hughes. They shouldn't have employed him from the start. Oldham is a family club isn't it. You never besmirch the goodname of any football club by employing a convicted criminal, much less a man who nearly killed someone.

We wouldn't employ a criminal at Pools so why should Oldham do it ?

I was actually away registering at Uni yesterday and din't get a chance to listen to the match. I bet there was uproaor when he scored and celebrated, wasn't there?

baby lemonade · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:23 pm

chip fireball wrote:

you are perfectly entitled to consider him a hero lemonade.

for me houchen, who was around at the same time, was by far a better player. yet he never got the legend status newton has somehow acquired.

i totally understand that,and billy ayre for that matter. im just defending a man who i have fond memories of, society needs heroes, people who transcend the mundane, and bob newton did thatfor many people. i dont buy this revisionist bullshit of him being the anti christ, especially from people who havent even seen him play!!!

Feedthecow · **Joined:** Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:26 pm **Posts:** 180

I was only young at the time Newton was playing and if i remember right he had two spells at Pools. I saw him in his 2nd spell and my memory of him is that he was overweight.

Spender · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:39 pm

When the law of the land gives you your penalty and you serve that penalty, then you have paid for your crime.

And that's the end of it.

Who the fook do you lot think you are? Judge Judy??

'Cos you're acting like it. :roll:

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:42 pm

Spender wrote:

When the law of the land gives you your penalty and you serve that penalty, then you have paid for your crime.

And that's the end of it.

Who the fook do you lot think you are? Judge Judy??

'Cos you're acting like it. :roll:

I don't have an issue with him playing he's served his time, I have an issue with his behavior which I witnessed yesterday.

ptbap · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:43 pm

Hmmmm the Lee Hughes is a murderer debate.

Lee Hughes is a good striker for this level, perhaps too good, he looked a cock celebrating in front of the Town End then chatting with the ref whilst having a arm around him.

I put him side by side with Michelle Chopra in the cockness stakes, I prefer a striker who thanks the player who made his goal, runs to his manager to thank him for his guidance and advice, slides in front of away fans who have paid good money to travel hundreds of miles to cheer him on.

I'd cheer if he scored a goal for Pools, I'd cheer if Chopra scored a goal for Pools.

What he did behind the wheel of a motor car doesn't come into it for me. He committed a crime, served his time, the fella is just doing a job now, like the rest of us, earning a living. He's entitled to do that.

Spender · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:13 pm

Bingo, Mr Bap.

Who hasn't made a mistake, and before you all go 'YEAH BUT IT DIDN'T COST A LIFE...' well that's why he went to jail.

I don't like him but sh it happens.... :roll:

'Yeah, but it didn't co' .....ohhh foo k off!! :evil:

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

In general Kev I agree with you. My vitriol wasn't particularly aimed at Hughes. He made a mistake, did his bird and is moving on with his life. I found it ironic (at best) that the some of the same people who hero worship Bob Newton were slagging off Hughes.

Newton made his mistake when Dave Wiggett died. A few years later he is convincted again for wreckless driving then last year he is done again for drink driving. Forgive a mistake by all means but Bob 'Poolie legend' Newton is a serial liability.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:12 pm

But I notice you don't mention his Charity Work!?!? confised

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:33 am

Mr I wrote:

In general Kev I agree with you. My vitriol wasn't particularly aimed at Hughes. He made a mistake, did his bird and is moving on with his life. I found it ironic (at best) that the some of the same people who hero worship Bob Newton were slagging off Hughes.

Newton made his mistake when Dave Wiggett died. A few years later he is convincted again for wreckless driving then last year he is done again for drink driving. Forgive a mistake by all means but Bob 'Poolie legend' Newton is a serial liability.

So should I immediately forget the good memories I have of him playing for Pools, because he is stupid enough to go out drink driving again? As I have said before I don't 'hero worship' him as a person, in fact I don't even 'hero worship' him as a footballer, it is just that I have good memories of him as a player.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

Of course not. The fact that he could kick a ball reasonably well should never overshadow his habit of driving when pissed and killing a young lad in the process. Perish the thought.

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

so if you only see the so called ugly side of football then?
i witnessed bob in action on the field in both spells at the vic andi also saw him in action at the poty last year
he was given a trophy which he immediately passed on to a disabled supporter who was chuffed to bits
a great gesture in my opinion
just pointing out the good side

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

chip fireball wrote:

gremmlin wrote:

he was given a trophy which he immediately passed on to a disabled supporter who was chuffed to bits

was he was pissed ?

bbolt

And programming Chesterfield into his tom tom.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

I once met this lass in a club who had some on drugs-doyles cash card.

We went wild with it.

Do i win an award?

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

no but you get a threatening pm from the card holder :laugh:

Spender · **Posted:** Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:31 pm

It would seem that we have adopted the mentality of the sitting Government here. Have a look at those aeroplane bombers who never went near an aeroplane the other week.

Not Guilty?? How d'you mean not guilty, sort a retrial out!! How dare you find them not guilty, aren't they brown enough or something?? Don't they have beards?? Of course they're guilty......are this jury on drugs?

Meanwhile a terrorist squad policeman is quietly convicted of stealing 73 grand on his force credit card. What a great demonstration of rationality.

Lee Hughes. Killed a bloke, got sent to prison, came out of prison. Bob Newton. Killed a bloke, was given a punishment, drunk drove again, was given a punishment..etc etc etc.

There's a reason this stuff isn't decided on a football message board.

Lee Hughes

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