Hartlepool - Brian Clough - Peter Taylor

hufc1908 · **Joined:** Fri May 09, 2008 11:08 am **Posts:** 186

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ds0nj0ZRGEk

here we go - good old days!!!!

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:25 am

But doesn't it piss you off though that on these Documentary type films Pools only get a brief mention????

I've got the Brian Clough Story on VHS from about 1990 with the late great Brian Moore....it gives a bit more coverage than that....but not much!!!! :evil:

PS....That reminds me....me, Parmo, our kid and his son watched it round here about a month ago....it took just under 3 hours to watch....we kept pausing it and talking about it and then rewinding it and then playing it etc etc....it's only on for about 80/90 minutes!!!! :laugh:

hufc1908 · **Joined:** Fri May 09, 2008 11:08 am **Posts:** 186

The highs and lows, was this the time for change? The two guru's of football started something that was to change the modern game! It all happened at the club we love!!!!!!

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

And he fuck ed off the first chance he got!!

I fail to see why some people are hero worshipped. clough did a good job at Hartlepool but thats all, he never changed the world. Mind you, some people hero worship a pisshead drink driver killer just because he kicked a ball about for Hartlepool.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:37 am

Both of them were geniuses!!!! :coool:

I still miss Sir Brian Cough's Football talk!!!! confised

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:38 am

Mr I wrote:

And he f*** ed off the first chance he got!!

I fail to see why some people are hero worshipped. clough did a good job at Hartlepool but thats all, he never changed the world. Mind you, some people hero worship a pisshead drink driver killer just because he kicked a ball about for Hartlepool.

I totally respect the bloke and adore him....not just what he did at Pools....but for everything he did re. Football!!!! :coool:

hufc1908 · **Joined:** Fri May 09, 2008 11:08 am **Posts:** 186

He raised the profile of the club and always had it close to his heart. You can slag him for wanting to better himself to bigger challengers? That’s what we all strive for !!!

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

Ah but thats a completely different point. I agree with you, he was probably the greatest manager this country has ever produced and should have managed England for a decade but for politics. My point is that his greatness wasn't for what he did at Pools, the connection is small, we just bask in the shadow of what he did elsewhere.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

hufc1908 wrote:

He raised the profile of the club and always had it close to his heart. You can slag him for wanting to better himself to bigger challengers? That’s what we all strive for !!!

I'm not slagging him I just think he doesn't deserve the legendary status for what he did at Hartlepool, I'd put Alan Murray further up my list.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

We get drawn into these urban myths; Brian Clough was a great manager, winning the league at Derby and Forest along with a couple of European cups and a hatful of other trophies. He won now't at Pools and I don't go for the 'he set the foundations' argument. Gus McLean got us promoted back then after Clough had taken the best players with him to Derby. No doubt that Clough made the club more professional and instilled disciplines but he didn't win anything. Gus McLean, Alan Murray, Mike Newell and Danny Wilson did. All are further up the list that Mssrs Clough and Taylor.

hufc1908 · **Joined:** Fri May 09, 2008 11:08 am **Posts:** 186

No - wrong as Gus picked up his squad the same as Murry for MR Cyril Knowles , Murry was only the step in man..... Im at that age that followed pools then and all Murry was - commericical manager and got the chance of a life time..The squad he had...was A1...and as time proved, if you have the players....This train will drive its self..????????? And

katcha · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:06 am

without taylor he would have been nothing

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

hufc1908 wrote:

No - wrong as Gus picked up his squad the same as Murry for MR Cyril Knowles , Murry was only the step in man..... Im at that age that followed pools then and all Murry was - commericical manager and got the chance of a life time..The squad he had...was A1...and as time proved, if you have the players....This train will drive its self..????????? And

Someone quite recently said; 'this bus drives itself' and what a load of bollocks that was.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:42 am

Different from a train though....a train runs on rails!!!! :laugh:

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

hufc1908 wrote:

No - wrong as Gus picked up his squad the same as Murry for MR Cyril Knowles , Murry was only the step in man..... Im at that age that followed pools then and all Murry was - commericical manager and got the chance of a life time..The squad he had...was A1...and as time proved, if you have the players....This train will drive its self..????????? And

You can probably argue that point about Murray to a level. Murray took over in February and led the team to promotion. He also did a fantastic job the following year proving it was no fluke. Relegation only followed when the team was stripped by Gibson.

However its a different scenario with Clough/MacLean; Clough left a full season before we were promoted and took several key players with him. It was McLean who took us up then, the team don't do it alone, see Neale Cooper/Martin Scott for confirmation.

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

we have had some great managers none of them have won anything
but none come up to brian clough and his achievements the man is still a legend in the same league as shankly
not so much for what they won but for their style of management and dealing with the media

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22659

gremmlin wrote:

we have had some great managers none of them have won anything
but none come up to brian clough and his achievements the man is still a legend in the same league as shankly
not so much for what they won but for their style of management and dealing with the media

No argument there whatsoever. Clough, Shankly, Mee even Allison were all great managers and great characters. We could do with a few today in this world of media savvy rehearsed soundbites. Nevertheless in terms of Hartlepool and only Hartlepool; we have had more successful and dare I say it, better managers.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:15 am

Cyril Knowles knocks what Cloughie did here for six

A true great and legend, the best manager (including Cooper) we've had for the past forty odd years, IMHO

Dugoutpaddy · **Joined:** Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:23 am **Posts:** 1772

Bertie Mee said to Bill Shankly
Have you heard of a place called Highbury?
No said Shanks I don't think so
But I've heard of the poo-lie Aggro

Incidentally I think the only time Peter Beardsley scored on his debut for any club was at pools

Mad John?

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:35 am

Gus McLean lost a number of key players who played for Clough but recruited very able replacements for them (Alan Goad, Wilson Hepplewhite, Bobby Cummings...). He also developed other players who were marginal under Clough (Tony Parry, Peter Blowman, Terry Bell). We actually had McGovern for the whole of McLean's first season, though in the match in which we clinched promotion he was on the bench.

More important though, I personally saw both the Clough and McLean versions of Pools play and believe me they were two very different teams. McLean was shrewd enough to keep all the good bits from Clough's tenure and add what was missing in order to get us promoted for the first time ever.
Yes he built on Clough's relative achievement, but it wasn't Clough who got us promoted: it was most definitely Gus the Bus.

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

that gus comment reminds me of a story from our welsh international keeper come striker
when on a trip to some away game, think it was sarfend when they were five mile out of the town until someone niticed gus was off the bus the went back for him and he was sat on a wall raging

ronaldo · **Joined:** Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:53 pm **Posts:** 861

Murray did a great job, yet the likes of him and Horner and Houchen were in the wrong place at the wrong time and went on to achieve very little in football terms.Some people have the luck to be in the right place at the right time. Take Roy Keane for example.

Mclean got us promotion yet you wouldnt think so.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:06 pm

MadJohn wrote:

Who is the best player to play for Pools? In terms of what he achieved in his football career it's probably Peter Beardsley, yet I don't know anybody who would put him in their all-time Pools XI. All his great moments came before joining us, and almost all of Clough's great managerial achievements came after leaving us.

He did a fine job for us getting us into the top half in his second season when you consider that we spent five consecutive seasons in the bottom two of the League in the early 60s, but the evidence suggests that the recovery had been started by Alvan Williams. Clough completed the recovery from the dogshit years. MacLean took it from there and got us the promotion.

Few (mostly Leeds fans) would dispute Brian Clough's place among the greats, but there are a number of Pools managers I would rank higher for what they did here.

But Leeds fans are bounders, and that's a FACT!

hufc1908 · **Joined:** Fri May 09, 2008 11:08 am **Posts:** 186

Quote:

Who is the best player to play for Pools? In terms of what he achieved in his football career it's probably Peter Beardsley, yet I don't know anybody who would put him in their all-time Pools XI

He was a good ambassador for the club and raised its profile.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:44 am

gremmlin wrote:

that gus comment reminds me of a story from our welsh international keeper come striker
when on a trip to some away game, think it was sarfend when they were five mile out of the town until someone niticed gus was off the bus the went back for him and he was sat on a wall raging

It's stuff like that that should be in a book!!!! clappp

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:46 am

hufc1908 wrote:

Quote:

Who is the best player to play for Pools? In terms of what he achieved in his football career it's probably Peter Beardsley, yet I don't know anybody who would put him in their all-time Pools XI

He was a good ambassador for the club and raised its profile.

One Goal!!!! confised

He was STILL actually to GOOD to be playing for Pools....everyone else was 3 yards behind!!!! confised

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:47 am

Brilliant Pics BTW Mr.Mar....Pools!!!! clappp

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