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 Post subject: The 'C' word.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:56 pm 
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'Consolidation'...a word that was used towards the end of last season a lot, but one that still puzzles me with its use in football. The belief among some fans is that you get promoted and spend a season 'cosolidating'... then get promotion the season after, when your team has acclimatised. sctatchinghead I've always thought you went up, did your best and see what happens. Ah well.
The one thing that puzzles me, is why managers talk of adapting tactics for various games, especially having one set of tactics for home games and another set for away games...... surely to travel away and adapt your style of play to accomodate the home sides style is to throw the advantage to the opposition, it's still the same game no matter where it's played. Surely a team should stick to it's strongest style of play and let the opposition do the adapting.... ? sctatchinghead

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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
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clappp clappp

I always thought bunkerites just came on her and did their best and told it the best they can

Cheers Snowy you have just consilidated my thoughts

As you are undoubtedly the bunkers wordsmith and relish in your own rhetoric you are the Arsene Wenger of the Board
But i'm sure you know the reality behind the rhetoric

Did I spell Wenger right?

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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
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I've always thought you went up, did your best and see what happens.

You do, but when that doesn't quite work out but you nevertheless save your skin, retrospectively it's called consolidation.
In football you aren't allowed to say "lack of success".

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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
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Ask Hull City if they fancy Premier League consolidation next season and they'd bite your hand off!

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Ask any question you like in the wrong part of Hull and you're likely to get the same reaction.

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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
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I don't get why so many people are annoyed at consolidation?

Not many teams get promoted and then get promoted again.

Winging for the sake of winging.

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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
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I think the annoyance is with the word, not the situation, Yubep.
Survival would be a truer description of it.

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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
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Yubep wrote:
I don't get why so many people are annoyed at consolidation?

Not many teams get promoted and then get promoted again.

Winging for the sake of winging.
I'll try again...I do not expect to get promoted, or have ridiculous expectations that success will automatically follow success, we all know that doesn't happen. However, the use of the word 'consolidation' is one of those cover all phrases beloved of the football management brotherhood that is used to cover the fact that ...'the seaons gone tits up and I haven't a clue what to do so I'll make out it's an epic battle of survival'...a sort of footballing Dunkirk, a defeat embellished as a victory.
Consolidation is no more than hanging on by your fingernails.
The reason I brought the subject up, was because of an interview I caught with the manager of newly promoted Gateshead who was asked if next season was bound to be a season of 'consoliodation? He put that one to bed straight away....we go out and play to our strengths and see what happens.
Like I said, it'll make a refreshing change when a manager stops hiding behind techno babble and tells it as it is, anyone who can't deal with the bleedin obvious a.k.a. the truth.... should confine them selves to watching the Premiership and soaking up the 'expert analysts' making a science out of a very simple game.

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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
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I didn't realise Gateshead had made it to the Conf N.

Does anyone here remember from first hand experience how intense the rivalry was with Gateshead when we were both in the same league?

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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
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MadJohn wrote:
You ask ANY manager about his thoughts before a season starts and you will very rarely hear talk of consolidation. The Gateshead manager is far from unusual in that. Wilson wasn't talking about consolidation last summer; christ, he wasn't talking about consolidation in March!

But if consolidation really is hanging by your fingertips, then I am pleased that we did a lot more than consolidate last season.

Er...a small but highly relevant point here. I was refering to the fans opinion in my original post... I didn't refer to Danny Wilson once because it wasn't about him....

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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
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Dugoutpaddy wrote:
clappp clappp



As you are undoubtedly the bunkers wordsmith and relish in your own rhetoric you are the Arsene Wenger of the Board
But i'm sure you know the reality behind the rhetoric

Did I spell Wenger right?

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'wordsmith'...no that was called education in the days of the 11 plus...if you didn't get it right the teachers used violence...great motivator fear...plus a love of reading.
As for Wenger, it's spelt wrong, there should be a 'a' and a 'k' where you put the 'e' and the 'g'... :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
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So why bring Wilson into the matter... ? sctatchinghead

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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
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...wouldn't be a show without Punch eh..?

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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:49 pm 
Richard M. Head wrote:
I didn't realise Gateshead had made it to the Conf N.

Does anyone here remember from first hand experience how intense the rivalry was with Gateshead when we were both in the same league?

I can remember going to games against Gateshead, Richard. I don't recall intense rivalry of say Darlo proportions, but I was only a bairn.


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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:50 pm 
I think the 'c' word is another media invention, and has become the latest in a lexicon of 'football speak,' somewhat like 'assist' and 'journeyman.' These are terms that you rarely hear mangers or indeed players utter but are accredited to them by the morning daily's, internet
hacks etc.

Try 'unsaying' it when it's just sold 1m copies. sctatchinghead sctatchinghead


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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:28 pm 
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I think the 'c' word is another media invention, and has become the latest in a lexicon of 'football speak,' somewhat like 'assist' and 'journeyman.' These are terms that you rarely hear mangers or indeed players utter but are accredited to them by the morning daily's, internet
hacks etc.

Try 'unsaying' it when it's just sold 1m copies. sctatchinghead sctatchinghead


Excuse me but I heard players and managers saying quite it a lot, as quoted by Mr Loughlin in the Echo


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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:03 pm 
You can hear the printed word?? :shock: :shock: :shock:

Wow..... clappp clappp


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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
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grabec wrote:
Spender wrote:
I think the 'c' word is another media invention, and has become the latest in a lexicon of 'football speak,' somewhat like 'assist' and 'journeyman.' These are terms that you rarely hear mangers or indeed players utter but are accredited to them by the morning daily's, internet
hacks etc.

Try 'unsaying' it when it's just sold 1m copies. sctatchinghead sctatchinghead


Excuse me but I heard players and managers saying quite it a lot, as quoted by Mr Loughlin in the Echo
Most palyers and managers are from the 'monkey see, monkey do' school...except in their case it's 'monkey hear, monkey repeat'...the vocabulary of them is so limited it's open to parody...and general pish taking. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:32 pm 
But Kevin is very quaint isn't he? Or is that the right word?


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Going by the other post he started, to describe him as something beginning with ...'qu.....', could reveal his secret life :shock: :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:39 pm 
He has a secret life?????

How bad can that be?


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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
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grabec wrote:
He has a secret life?????

How bad can that be?

Apparently he's the orients answer to Dale Winton, complete with permatan :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: The 'C' word.
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Snowy wrote:
grabec wrote:
Spender wrote:
I think the 'c' word is another media invention, and has become the latest in a lexicon of 'football speak,' somewhat like 'assist' and 'journeyman.' These are terms that you rarely hear mangers or indeed players utter but are accredited to them by the morning daily's, internet
hacks etc.

Try 'unsaying' it when it's just sold 1m copies. sctatchinghead sctatchinghead


Excuse me but I heard players and managers saying quite it a lot, as quoted by Mr Loughlin in the Echo
Most palyers and managers are from the 'monkey see, monkey do' school...except in their case it's 'monkey hear, monkey repeat'...the vocabulary of them is so limited it's open to parody...and general pish taking. :wink:


Ron Manager isn't a fictitious character by any means

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