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In the forthcoming elections, who would you like to have a majority on the council ?
Conservative 22%  22%  [ 11 ]
Labour 8%  8%  [ 4 ]
Liberal Democrats 14%  14%  [ 7 ]
BNP 20%  20%  [ 10 ]
No overall majority 14%  14%  [ 7 ]
Independents 24%  24%  [ 12 ]
Total votes : 51
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 Post subject: Re: Unsccientific election
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:17 pm 
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3 'people' have voted British Nazi Party!?!? sctatchinghead stpid :roll:

They want to get out more is all I can say!!!! :roll: confised

I'm sorry but I find it pretty sad that in the 21st Century 'people' still believe in this shite!!!! :roll: confised

Haven't they learnt anything from History that the Racist, Fascist, Apartheid, etc etc regime never wins???? :roll: sctatchinghead

Yes I know a lot of people aren't happy with this Government and the 'lax' immigration laws....but do you really think the above will fix it for you???? confised confised

Not a chance!!!! confised confised

Sad....very sad!!!! confised violin

The world has changed for the better in the last 50 years a helluva' lot....imagine in another 50 years....the kids then won't believe that people of this day and in the past Hated people because of their colour....they honestly won't be able to get their heads round it....just like people smoking!!!! :shock: :shock: :laugh: :grin:

But it's true!!!! :sweeeet: :grin:





theres nothing wrong with the bnp people think there racist because the media says so.

i agree with nearly everything they say. If a small comunity want to create some kind of group ( Watford Asian Community care for example) heres the link so im not just putting horse piss http://www.watfordasiancommunitycare.co.uk/ they can but if you changed it to watforfwhitecommunitycare its racist.

Also if a white man kills a black/asian man its all over the news but if its the other way round youd be lucky to here about it, if you search google though you will find reliable soures.

If a man wants to convert his house into a church he cant, a moske he can

loads of other stuff aswell, so if you think there nazis, do sme research first refyellow

Maybe you ought to do some research on the people that run it.

e.g. Nick Griffin:
- Former member of the National Front
- Big mates with John Tyndall (who, incidentally, loves Oswald Mosely)
- Formed the International Third Position
- Included in his manifesto is a ban on mixed-race marriages.

The bloke's a fucking nutcase.

EDIT: you're eating up the differences that the BNP put forward that play upon current affairs to grab floating voters. Anyone associated with the National Front deserves to be shot in the face


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 Post subject: Re: Unsccientific election
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:18 pm 
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and the current prime isnt :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Unsccientific election
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and the current prime isnt :roll:

Great defence.


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id say good more than great, but your choice


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 Post subject: Re: Unsccientific election
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sorry pal, forgot you were an expert :wink:


I'm sure he's had a lot more experience with them than yourself. Tom, you're 15 and you live in Billingham. Hardly a bastion of multiculturalism is it? What have you got to complain about? Same goes for the blokes in Hartlepool, what have you got to moan about?

I find it sickening that anyone can even attempt to condone what they stand for. Before you say 'read about them blah blah blah' - I've studied Politics for the past 3 years and have learnt enough about them and other neo-fascist movements to know they'd only drag this country backwards. To blame the problems of this country, be it economic or social, wholly on the backs of people who happen to have a different skin colour or culture to us is absurd and frightfully worrying from people who should know better.

Matty, Tyndall died a couple of years back. Good riddance.


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 Post subject: Re: Unsccientific election
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You're like a Loid... arguing the toss seriously and making it out to be a joke when things get tougher rolfl


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 Post subject: Re: Unsccientific election
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Kolley Kibber wrote:
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sorry pal, forgot you were an expert :wink:


I'm sure he's had a lot more experience with them than yourself. Tom, you're 15 and you live in Billingham. Hardly a bastion of multiculturalism is it? What have you got to complain about? Same goes for the blokes in Hartlepool, what have you got to moan about?

I find it sickening that anyone can even attempt to condone what they stand for. Before you say 'read about them blah blah blah' - I've studied Politics for the past 3 years and have learnt enough about them and other neo-fascist movements to know they'd only drag this country backwards. To blame the problems of this country, be it economic or social, wholly on the backs of people who happen to have a different skin colour or culture to us is absurd and frightfully worrying from people who should know better.

Matty, Tyndall died a couple of years back. Good riddance.

Ah, of course he did - I remember the media coverage when Griffin was on telly going on about how great a man he was.

Scary bloke. The world's definitely better off.

"bastion of multiculturalism" rolfl rolfl


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 Post subject: Re: Unsccientific election
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right i was trying to keep this off here because i know some of you might not like the truth but im just going to say it...

your just jelous of me :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: Unsccientific election
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:34 pm 
Yep we sure are 'jelous' of you!!!! :roll: :roll:


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i dont blame you:)


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 Post subject: Re: Unsccientific election
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EDIT: you're eating up the differences that the BNP put forward that play upon current affairs to grab floating voters. Anyone associated with the National Front deserves to be shot in the face


I'm no lover of facism and the NF myself but Isn't there some irony in that statement?


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And all this influences your vote in a local election for a Councillor who will work on issues affecting the ward you live in because.....???

The BNP are only fielding two candidates in the Hartlepool elections (possibly three) so they cannot get a majority on the Council regardless of how many votes they get.

Only a third of the sitting Council are up for election, so even if the Tories win all seats, they won't have a majority. Following this, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that the Lib-Dems will either.

Therefore as Labour currently have a slight majority, they just need to retain most of their seats to keep the majority.

If they lose a few, there will be no over all majority UNLESS the rest of the Council (Tory's, Lib-Dems, Independents and UKIP) join together to form a coilition.

Now, if this happens, then an Independent councillor is not really, truly independent anymore because they have joined a group and are influenced by other within the group. Therefore they have conned the electorate, who thought they were voting for an Independent.

Hartlepool Council already has an Independent Administration Group, which is a political group as mentioned above. There are only actually 2 Independent Councillors who aren't part of this group and are actually Independent.

Still following?

If actual fact, it doesn't really make that much difference which party a Councillor belongs to because Hartlepool has adopted the Mayor and Cabinet model of governance and whilst the Mayor stays as a true Independent, then no political party is really making the decisions.

Therefore, I suggest you make your decision based on the individual who is standing and what they will add to your ward. There is very little room for party politics in local governemnt anymore, especially in Hartlepool.

I think. sctatchinghead :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: Unsccientific election
PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:32 am 
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Only a third of the sitting Council are up for election, so even if the Tories win all seats, they won't have a majority. Following this, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that the Lib-Dems will either.


There seems no point in having a Local Election then if we can't get the Buggers Out!!!! confised :roll: confised


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You can, it just takes time and the other parties putting up helf decent candidates :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: Unsccientific election
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Mr I wrote:
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EDIT: you're eating up the differences that the BNP put forward that play upon current affairs to grab floating voters. Anyone associated with the National Front deserves to be shot in the face


I'm no lover of facism and the NF myself but Isn't there some irony in that statement?

No, because I'm happy to shoot any of them in the face, not just ones of a certain colour clappp


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And all this influences your vote in a local election for a Councillor who will work on issues affecting the ward you live in because.....???

The BNP are only fielding two candidates in the Hartlepool elections (possibly three) so they cannot get a majority on the Council regardless of how many votes they get.

Only a third of the sitting Council are up for election, so even if the Tories win all seats, they won't have a majority. Following this, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that the Lib-Dems will either.

Therefore as Labour currently have a slight majority, they just need to retain most of their seats to keep the majority.

If they lose a few, there will be no over all majority UNLESS the rest of the Council (Tory's, Lib-Dems, Independents and UKIP) join together to form a coilition.

Now, if this happens, then an Independent councillor is not really, truly independent anymore because they have joined a group and are influenced by other within the group. Therefore they have conned the electorate, who thought they were voting for an Independent.

Hartlepool Council already has an Independent Administration Group, which is a political group as mentioned above. There are only actually 2 Independent Councillors who aren't part of this group and are actually Independent.

Still following?

If actual fact, it doesn't really make that much difference which party a Councillor belongs to because Hartlepool has adopted the Mayor and Cabinet model of governance and whilst the Mayor stays as a true Independent, then no political party is really making the decisions.

Therefore, I suggest you make your decision based on the individual who is standing and what they will add to your ward. There is very little room for party politics in local governemnt anymore, especially in Hartlepool.

I think. sctatchinghead :grin:

I've learned something today. :grin:


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Think i'll join Scottish Nationalist Party they get a better press than the British Nationalist Party. sctatchinghead

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Think i'll join Scottish Nationalist Party they get a better press than the British Nationalist Party. sctatchinghead


Because they have a totally different ideology to the BNP. They are leagues apart! The SNP aim at gaining self-determination within Scotland, underneath a social democratic veneer and do not espouse racist ideology or scaremongering tactics.


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Think i'll join Scottish Nationalist Party they get a better press than the British Nationalist Party. sctatchinghead


Because they have a totally different ideology to the BNP. They are leagues apart! The SNP aim at gaining self-determination within Scotland, underneath a social democratic veneer and do not espouse racist ideology or scaremongering tactics.
Thats what i was thinking Adam. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Unsccientific election
PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:45 pm 
Well whatever your ideology is, you watch them BNP boys go in a fortnight, because this Government has played right into their hands. confised confised


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And all this influences your vote in a local election for a Councillor who will work on issues affecting the ward you live in because.....???

The BNP are only fielding two candidates in the Hartlepool elections (possibly three) so they cannot get a majority on the Council regardless of how many votes they get.

Only a third of the sitting Council are up for election, so even if the Tories win all seats, they won't have a majority. Following this, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that the Lib-Dems will either.

Therefore as Labour currently have a slight majority, they just need to retain most of their seats to keep the majority.

If they lose a few, there will be no over all majority UNLESS the rest of the Council (Tory's, Lib-Dems, Independents and UKIP) join together to form a coilition.

Now, if this happens, then an Independent councillor is not really, truly independent anymore because they have joined a group and are influenced by other within the group. Therefore they have conned the electorate, who thought they were voting for an Independent.

Hartlepool Council already has an Independent Administration Group, which is a political group as mentioned above. There are only actually 2 Independent Councillors who aren't part of this group and are actually Independent.

Still following?

If actual fact, it doesn't really make that much difference which party a Councillor belongs to because Hartlepool has adopted the Mayor and Cabinet model of governance and whilst the Mayor stays as a true Independent, then no political party is really making the decisions.

Therefore, I suggest you make your decision based on the individual who is standing and what they will add to your ward. There is very little room for party politics in local governemnt anymore, especially in Hartlepool.

I think. sctatchinghead :grin:


I don't know if it is the case but in other places representation in the cabinet is allocated according to the proportion of seats that each party/grouping won at the last elections.

The different parties will be holding caucus meetings, picking out the politically sensitive issues and deciding which way their Councillors should vote in Cabinet.

In any council/cabinet meeting there is a huge amount of business goes through on the nod according to officer's recommendations and only a few politically contentious items are picked out for debate and voting.

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Kolley Kibber wrote:
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Think i'll join Scottish Nationalist Party they get a better press than the British Nationalist Party. sctatchinghead


Because they have a totally different ideology to the BNP. They are leagues apart! The SNP aim at gaining self-determination within Scotland, underneath a social democratic veneer and do not espouse racist ideology or scaremongering tactics.


Unless it's against the Sassenachs :wink:


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Well whatever your ideology is, you watch them BNP boys go in a fortnight, because this Government has played right into their hands. confised confised

They wouldn't be able to though would they if we weren't such a chronically racist nation. And chronically dishonest too. How many people deny being racist when they know damn well they are?

A fourth lie to add to the three big ones:
"I'm not a racist but...."

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