...think that patients aren't top priority at their place of work

Which is most weird? That doctors, nurses and ancillary staff think this in the first place; that they don't mind admitting it, or that the researchers omitted too ask them to identify what, in their opinion, was more important than patients?

What is most weird is that, unless you're minutes from the big Pools match in the sky, you'd think about going there anyway.

You go in with a pan stuck on your head, and you're there six weeks later dying of MRSA.

They're just about my sentiments exactly

But.... ...errmmm....you don't think...ah....maybe...

I reckon 'most NHS staff' now will be people who don't have direct contact with patients.

Our lass is very lucky in that her job she has relatively little red tape and quite a bit of patient time.

Hope you don't get ill and go to my wife's ward because i can assure you that all the patients there are the first priority. But there again I suppose you will have membership to BUPA. Of course we can go the American route and we all get insurance to pay for care and those poor sods who haven't the money don't get treatment. As you might have guessed this is a sore point to me as my wife works bloody hard as a nurse and many a times she has come home exhausted.

a conversation i had with a student nurse recently was an eye opener
they are taught to stand back where ever possible and not get attached or involved with patients
so how can they help anyone with that attitude
if old people especially were given some time and patience then the results i am sure would be more positive for them

You misunderstand me, mr appleyapper, I was quoting a piece of research I read in the paper yesterday, not saying private medicine is preferable to the NHS

Thats the public services though.

I worked for a large local authority (alright it was Liverpool and it's still crap) and once got hold of the Chief Exec's Management Team meeting. Not a mention of providing services to the public. There was a lot of people like mr Appleyappers Mrs working their socks of and did the one's taking most money out of the system care.......I don't think so.

Don't get me started!

As someone who is a close family member of a Nurse who has worked for the NHS for 18 years i must point out:
most nursing staff work long hours under difficult conditions and also experience both verbal and physical abuse from both patients and there family's on a regular basis. maybe its time the pen pushers who are robbing the NHS of financial resources which would be better placed increasing staff numbers on the front line stepped up to the mark and took some of the responsibility for the bad press that the NHS suffers at the hands of the media etc
Don't make comments when you do not fully understand the situation and believe said bad media

(also these are my mothers comments I was forced into putting. I think the same as you )

It's a fact that we are now spending the most money ever on the NHS, yet if I need to visit a casualty unit and don't have personal transport, I have to wait for a welfare bus to get me to another town. Er, .... what the f*** is all the money being spent on.... ?

Its an upside world in the NHS the managers are getting huge wages to do nothing as most of them haven't got a clue to what is needed in a hospital. I suppose Manager is the word that's all they know and the poor people at the work face have to put up with all the crap that goes on. It was the same in my teaching career I had a head who was totally crap and all he could do was finace etc not clue as to what was needed further down at the chalk face. This is a very sad situation indeed. How can Russell Hart get £50.000 a year for a part time job and most nurses get less that £20.000 a year working over 40 hours a week and getting very little reward in terms of job satisfaction from this.

I thought that nurses were well paid these days...?

My sister certainly does ok and has plenty of holidays. I don't see how paying nurses more would improve things either when many nurses supposedly see their job as vocationary. And 25k a year is a lot when you consider that many nurses (NOT ALL) spend their days collecting wee, cleaning up sick and making cups of tea for patients.....

Where is the money going? It is paying people in the NHS at all levels who are blagging 6 months or more at a time off sick many of which are probably due to phantom conditions......

I think it would be a bit of an eye-opener for you to shadow your sister on a shift, and see what really happens.

For the sort of things front line NHS staff have to put up with, their salaries are a disgrace. I've got people reporting to me earning more than a ward sister who have next to sod all responsibility and in the main, an easy life.

But people know what the pay is like before they take jobs. I wouldn't want to do it hence why i don't.

One thing that is also overlooked when people talk about nurses as well is that many of them aren't very good. It is just like any other posistion - some people are good at their job, others are just lazy........

I take your point, but the article did say that it was 'doctors, nurses and ancillary workers' who had been surveyed.
Of course, everything depends on how the question was phrased, which is something that wasn't reported.

To reply to other people, there seem to great differences in people's experience of the health service. But, having a relative who is a committed health worker doesn't contradict someone else's experience of having had a bad time at the hands of medics.

...please enlighten us as to what you do to 'earn' a living.

Good point Mrs G, the question is more important than the answer.

Question a:
Do you believe that NHS staff should do more to keep the hospitals clean?
Answer yes.

Conclusion - you believe that Nurses are scruffy gets who never wash.

Scenario....'bean counters' in nice suits arrive and decree in house cleaning staff are not financially effective...sack all dedicated cleaning staff and replace with contract staff. In house staff care and know the job, it's their full time job, but contract staff come and go and have no real long term interest ... but it makes sense to the 'bean counters', because all that matters in the end is the balance sheet nowadays.

I don't see how what I do is relevent but I work in field sales/training and development for a large UK company......

Well it's not QUITE that simple me owld Cap'n Morgan.

The bean counters are called in because suddenly there's no arse fodder for to wipe the dirty bottoms. The 'management' ask why there is no bum roll. The bean counters say it is because you flush more money than Andrex down the toilet. You spend to much on:

1. Corporate Entertainment

2. Private Transport

3. Office Decoration.

4. Civic Presentations.

5. Overseas Junkets To See How They Do It In Florida/Jamaica/Seychelles/Brisbane.

6. Networking In Other Authorities In Hotels Like Inn On The Park Kensington/Dorchester.

7. Three Monthly Meetings With The World Health Organisation To Bolster Your Own Credentials

'Damn,' says the management. If we need to supply bog roll, we need a redundancy programme.

And so it is written......

As most of the bean counters are now employed in house, just add them to your list Kev,

We have all these nurses getting paid a fortune to flounce about while you're doing such vital work, it must really piiss you off.... Sales eh ?..... meanwhile, on planet Earth......

Snowy - If it wasn't for sales people then other people in the organisation wouldn't actually get paid. If there was no sales then the administration and data entry team would have nothing to process. If there was nothing to process then the amount of money coming into the organisation would dry up thus affecting the share value. If the share value drops massively then there Which would mean redundancy's at all levels........

There are some nurses that are well worth their wage if not double what they are paid but if you speak to anyone who works for the nhs they will be the first to tell you that some of them do very little - the same also applies to doctors........

Thankfully, I have reached the stage in life where I don't give a flying f***..........it's all bollox .

Talk about building your part up! no mention of the people who actually MANUFACTURE your products. But hey, I bet the Hospital Administrators think they too are more important than the Doctors and Nurses. I mean they only treat the patients don't they?

In Jonnys world it would appear the administartors are more important than the front line workers ...as long as the invoices are sorted the rest are irrelevant.....

Absolute BULLSHIT!!!

My missus works for the NHS Trust and everyone beleives the patients are their 1st priority. asked them all today while out for a meal. Complete and utter rubbish.

Matty, listen up. I too have worked for the NHS, and patients were my first priority. This does not in itself disprove research that suggests that most NHS workers don't think this

not at all Snowy - I just don't think the NHS is as wonderful as what you are trying to make out.....

Tell you what then Jonnykins, we'll go down the American route for healthcare, shall we.....????

We should.

The NHS is not sustainable long term. Many people who don't pay any form of tax monopolise the service. Many of the people who work for the NHS don't seem to realise who pays their wages.

Maybe if this sort of service didn't come free it could actually encourage some of the bone idol folk who are claiming all kinds and draining the services to go to work........

We molly coddle too much in this country... Things should be made difficult for those who are on the doll who supposedly can't find work. We allow people to live in a comfort zone living off the taxpayer.

There are too many people blagging things like incapacity or perminant sick as well yet there are people with real not mythical disabilities who go to work.

Beat me to it there my chubby friend!!!
Jonnykins finds it hard to differentiate between the DSS and NHS

Not really.

If they are capable of work and have to work in order to be able to get health care then there'll be a much bigger incentive for them to get off their fat lazy arse.

You're starting to see the light at last.

The thread has gone off on a tangent. But the long term unemployed go to the doctors don't they?

Regularly.

For the slightest little sniffle.

It helps fill their days in.

So what, stoodents go to the doctors as well, what your point, they pay nada in for donkies, or very little

Where on Gods green earth do people think up these cockended ideas

Why not, after stopping the unemployed, start on low wage earners?

Seems fair to me

God forbid you got your way and we went down the American route, you bunch of gobshites wouldn't be able to afford an ankle brace and a crutch, even if you did pay for your own health care

Nope. You're not convincing me I'm afraid.

You should have to put in to be able to take out.

Lazy bastads join the queue which leads to the exit.

Most of the people who are unemployed are unemployed because they are bone idol. There's loads of jobs out there. There are also very few low paid workers due to the minimum wage which ensure's that even complete bone heas get paid more than what they are probably worth......

I concur.

That's fair enough, but you seem to miss my point

even a right wing high flying, look after oneself, golf playing love the queen gor blimey govner type , would be fooked if you ever got ill in an America stylee health system, because they will bleed you dry for the smallest of things

Yes Johnny, you as a sales admin clerk are really pulling up trees in the job market

Surely they should make every effort to stop the bleeding?

In the good old U S of A they have health insurance which means you pay in similar to how National Insurance works except it aint the state collecting it at source with no choices.

I'd be happy with that system here, and the amount I spend on NI contributions now (which I would abolish) could go towards that instead thanks.

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You can get as pesonal as you want but you look silly having a go at me when i go to work and contribute yet those who you are defending don't and are completely bone idol.....

You can get as pesonal as you want but you look silly having a go at me when i go to work and contribute yet those who you are defending don't and are completely bone idol.....[/quote]


Not everyone who is unemployed is bone 'idle', nor is everyone on a minimum wage 'thick'

Once you start chipping away at the NHS and who and who not it looks after based on their employment and wage status, you will be left with the American model, and 99% of posters on the board would be fooked.....