There seems to be a handful of posters on here who have made up their mind and will now criticise Danny Wilson no matter what happens on and off the pitch, then when he does leave be it this season, next season or even the one after, it will be "I told you so back in October 2007".

Has Danny Wilson lost your support FOREVER??

NO!!!

I think he will have lived and learned from his mistakes. Providing we are continuing to win, that question will be answered if he chops and changes to accomodate when he has a fully fit squad to choose from!!

If he does chop and change to accomodate it will have to be the from Hodcroft

Well I'm not one so the answer is no from my point of view but I've given up saying why because it's like turning the tap on a bit and then listening to it drip all night.

But I thinks it's the girls you're on about, they love a flounce when they don't get their own way.

No lets give Danny Boy another season his signings have been good my only complaint is that he is a stubborn manager who will stick with it even if its wrong that has been proven this season.

I just think football managers are weird people. No-one ought to be in the position they are apparently in...of being able to make decisions at whim without having to justify those decisions to anyone else. It can mean teams are run by someone's personality quirks rather than on a rational basis.

From that point of view, I suppose it might as well be Danny as anyone else

As much as my confidence in him was severely dented a few games back at the end of our losing away run, I still don't dislike the bloke. He's obviously found his footing and I think Sam Collins coming back was the best thing for all of us.

I didn't jump on the bandwagon months ago like others seemed to, those fuckers want a new manager every year, and it'll get us nowhere

If Danny Wilson is seen to be picking our best players and playing them in their best positions and stops talking utter shiite from time to time then most people will let him get on with it.
He has to stop chopping and changing and has to play people on merit and not allow his like/dislike for individuals to cloud his judgement. We have proved recently and at other times that if we select the right team and tactics we are a match for anybody in this division. Pick our best team , play football and let the opposition worry about us would be a good place to start. What he has done this season is to completely baffle most of us with his selections/tactics. He has history in this respect and we were warned by fans of other teams he has managed that he is prone to doing this. It is as if he gets bored and has to satisfy some inner football ego that he , and only he , thinks he has. If we just weren't good enough then we could accept that , but we are good enough and it is his job to see that we are performing to our potential more often than not.

For me he has lost my confidence and I would not be sorry to see him go.
His constant team changes and substitutions totally baffle me.

Wait until Barker is fit if he puts him straight back in and drops Porter or Mackie if we have gone unbeaten then i know he will never change and deserves the chop.

If he keeps the current team and keeps playing the best players in there best positions over a long period of time then just maybe i could start getting the confidence back that he maybe the manager to take us forward

What he said.

He's alraedy used up his second chance from me so I don't like him/want him to stay.
if he does however I'll just see what transpires. I'll cheer the lads on regardless and hope he doesn't arse on with the team.

I'm not one for I told you so's anyway....

also, a lot depends on how hard he tries to keep Joel Porter at the club, I'd never forgive him that if he lets him go

Last season up until November 18th we were as inconsistent and frustrating as we have been for the most part of this season people were already calling for his head wrongly I though, I'm a believer in stability how many clubs who change managers every six months do well? Then something clicked. We found a settled team and a winning formula. Sadly it's taken until March for him to discover that this season, even more sadly that winning combination is what the fans have been crying out for all season. I think it's clicked now like it did last season but it's far too late.

This has turned a lot of people against him. The fact we are only six points away from the play-offs is a massive frustration bearing in mind how many points we have tossed away sloppily. How many points is not signing a good keeper cost us? How many points has splitting up Clark and Nelson replacing the former with a naive 19 year old kid cost us? It's frightening where we could have been. Are the likes of Carlisle really that much better than us? Then we have his stubbornness on the Barker issue turning it around on the fans and us seeing headlines about the 'Barker boo boys' a group of people who quite simply didn't exist. Everyone could see that we are team who is far more suited to playing with two mobile strikers nobody can knock Barkers contribution or what he's good at but ask if you asked the likes of Monkhouse, Porter, Humphreys, Sweeney, Liddle, Brown, and Boland how they liked playing their football I think they'd say like last night. You could tell by the performance they enjoyed it. Again I'm sure this will be seen as knocking Richie Barker, it's not I have a tremendous amount of admiration for the bloke it's just the way it is.

I don't think Wilson is suited to managing a smaller club like ourselves either, he is too distant from the fans. He has no connection with us. Think of the likes Cooper and Turner the way they used to interact with the fans doing talk ins at social clubs and even just having a chat over a pint with people. Danny Wilson still lives in Chesterfield I think we really need to immerse yourself into a job at this level you have to ask questions about someones long term plans when he isn't prepared to live loser than a four hour round trip from the town. He obviously doesn't feel his long term future lies here. I'm sure he sees this as a stepping stone back up the football ladder you can't knock anyone for being ambitious but I only think he ever expected to be at Pools for 2-3 seasons. He comes across as a good bloke and has a good reputation in the game but is he really right for Hartlepool United?

At the end of the day if we play like we did last night on a regular basis I'm sure nobody will care about these issues and we'll be shouting his name from the rooftops as it was fantastic and being football fans who are in general fickle bastids with short memories

Mid table in league one isn't the end of the world but this season things could have been so much better.

If he hadn't sorted it last season, we'd still be losing at Shrewsbury and MK Dons.

He did sort it. First time of asking.

Now we play at a higher level you want even higher.

'If only he'd pick the team we pick....'

Now OK you give 'em your money and you spend 90 or maybe 180 minutes a week with them and obviously you've all got the man management skills and the League Club management experience and playing experience and the contacts, and the knowledge.

Except you haven't. Not one of you has ever been any good at the game, all you are is spectators and now you're proving to be poor spectators even.

Not ONE of you AGAIN has offered an alternative. It's just 'get rid.'

Change for the sake of change.

I cannot get my fookin' breath.

The same knowledgeable bunch who howled for Newells head, who promptly went to Luton and stuck them in the top four of the Championship.

Get a fookin' grip.

Newell did well with Joe Kinnears players, when he had to start signing his own it went tits up. Look at the state they are in now.

In hindsight not renewing Newells contract was a the right move for all parties. Who's tenure did you enjoy more his or his replacement.............. Neale Cooper!?

I'm all for stability but something hasn't quite been right this season, hopefully we'll keep on going with current momentum and everything will be tickity boo!

I think PJ has already suggested an alternative (and explained why this season hasn't worked on the whole) in his first two paragraphs. Read it again, Kev

So Newell was a good manager, was he Kev, because that’s what you seem to be implying, if blowing a massive lead, alienating fans and getting the tin tack is the sign of a good manager, then I'm a Dutchman

It's not change for the sake of it Kev, it's DW's pig headed, obstinate, I know better then you plebs, when it was plainly obvious that his team selections weren’t working attitude, or at 'least' it seems that way for us 'poor spectators'

Ask anyone who went to Bournemouth if they think the support they offered prior to the two piss poor goals went in, was poor, ask them if one of the best teams on paper we have ever had managed to play like a Keith Houchen team for almost a third of the season, is the sign of a manager who knows what he is doing?

Sometimes Kev, managers ride their luck, but then are found out for what they are, perhaps this could happen to Danny Wilson, but who am I to judge, as a 'poor supporter'

PS

Don't forget the teams below us who have had ten points deducted, because we WOULD be up shite creek in a barbed wire canoe

Fair do's but it's still a piss poor do when we have had to keep looking over our shoulders at teams who have had the lungs kicked out of them till now

i have never been a fan, but he did change my mind last season but anyone who has played a a decent level could have got us promoted from that division with the squad we had. after this season i feel i was right the first time round. if avoiding relegation is success then in my book he has to go.
he did have the same problems early last season as he did with this one but they seemed to be of his own making
a manager that makes such a hard job selecting his best team from this squad, arguably the best we have ever had will always have a problem, maybe we dont know what he is aiming at with the chops and changes, but how far down do you have to go before you realise it is not working? If barker was fit the same scenario, limited football and back to the hoof when it is not working. despite our recent form all three games ...as i said earlier in the week after two wins does that wipe out our very poor form prior to those games. not for me so i still say out, this division from what i have seen , there is not many teams better than us if any.
and if the press at the time he applied for the job is to be believed then there is plenty of quality candidates in for the post.
one of those was Tony Mowbray look how well he is doing

...do you mean in the same way as posters like you would kiss his backside no matter how bad it was. Three wins and a tentative booking for an open top bus has been made by some some people.
We got three wins and the thanks should be directed in the direction of ...'fate' ...because if Barker had not been injured you wouldn't be on here crowing. Last night I saw a decent entertaining match...I THOUGHT THOSE DAYS WERE LONG GONE.
I have no wish to see any more of Wilsons 'style' of football. based on a a grinding work ethic that tries to bore the opposition into a coma , where willing workhorses are revered, a humourless functional, utility type of football that focuses solely on results at any cost. NO THANKS!

FUlly concur

The massive lead was his to blow though wasn't it. Can we get this straight: he took over a team who were top of the table but not by a distance.
He wobbled a bit at the start then put an impressive run together that took us 14 points clear, a lead which we lost to Rushden but if you study our results during that period you'll see for example that they were better than Coooper's in our play-off final season at the same stage. The reasons we lost that 14 point lead are simple

1) Rushden had a game in hand so it wasn't really 14 points it was 11.
2) Rushden then went on the same kind of run we'd been on. They produced a truly stupendous finish to the season (though don't expect to hear anyone give them any credit for that).
3) We had *three* bad consecutive away defeats that opened the door for Rushden to get us in their sights (Lincoln, Wrexham, Bristol Rovers). These were followed much later by an embarassment at Scunny, but by then the damage was done.

You may dislike the man or go along with the rumours that abound about what he did in his private time, but he did manage us for over half a season and get us into a higher division. I defy anyone to deny that! If we consider someone a bad manager for losing three games then maybe our standards are far too high. No manager has a chance with us, which could be supported by the alarming number of managers we get through

(Cue someone saying their left arse-cheek could have won promotion in 2002/3 with the players Newell had available.)

In any case, I believe there are very few managers who could take over Pools and excite us as you want. If there is a better option than Wilson come May and we hire him then great. If not then we'll just see what Wilson has learnt won't we.

1) Rushden had a game in hand so it wasn't really 14 points it was 11.

Games in hand automatically equal three point now, has there been a rule change?

2) Rushden then went on the same kind of run we'd been on. They produced a truly stupendous finish to the season (though don't expect to hear anyone give them any credit for that).

Why should we, Newell blew the lead he had build up through reasons everyone is aware of and opened the door for Rubbish and Dustbins to take the title

3) We had *three* bad consecutive away defeats that opened the door for Rushden to get us in their sights (Lincoln,
Wrexham, Bristol Rovers). These were followed much later by an embarassment at Scunny, but by then the damage was done.

See above, the match against Scunny was an example of why Newell was a failure as a manager at Pools, in my opinion anyway

i would not credit wilson on the liddle signing as they arrived on the same day
and barker and boland could go now for me credit for monky but he has nearly done away with him this season

I've been as pissed off as anyone over the mis-selections for the past couple of months but basically I would support Satan himself as manager if he was successful. Danny Wilson is not quite that bad is he?

We don't know whats gone on internally; take Monkhouses statement that he had 'clear the air talks' ok, thats his side of the story but whats the other? what happened that required the air to be cleared? We all know Ritchie Barker's strengths and weaknesses but if DW had a problem in the camp with effort and application what sort of message would it send to the other players if the most hardworking player was dropped?

I'm just guessing but all has not been well in the dressing room and its showed on the pitch. Whoever is selected you expect 100% that has not been happening. I don't think you can blame the manager for players not trying.

We've won three on the bounce, if we continue to play attractive football and win games then the already shrinking Wilson out camp will be very much a minority.

not the mafia theme again

Where was that mentioned? I simply said what was clear to see; the players were not applying themselves fully.

he never had it in the first place

They are as good as 3 points when a team is on a winning streak like R&D were at the end of the season.
The point is if a team wins a game in hand, the manager of the team who has played the extra game can do nothing about it. So the biggest lead you could accuse Newell of blowing due to his own failings is 11 points.
Hope this helps.

Danny Wilson, hired 13-06-2006
Gary Liddle, signed 10-08-2006

Sorry Ian. Maybe you are confusing them with Nelson and Cooper.

john if you read my post i did say he changed my mind last season but everyone will tell you last season is over and this season is what counts
and in my book he is avoiding relegation that is not success or even progress

2-1 win at Championship Scunthorpe
Narrow 2-1 loss at Championship Sheffield Wednesday in extra time
Hammering promotion chasing Oldham 4-1 with the much vaunted Lee Hughes in their side
An unbelievable debut at Elland Road, no-one knows how we lost
An upset at Leyton Orient 4-2.
5 against Lincoln
6 against Gainsborough
Playing Tranmere off the park for 3-1
Boxing Day thriller against Leeds??
Battering Crewe 3-0
Heart in the mouth 4-3 against Southend
Ripping Luton to bits, one was a penalty so it obviously didn't count
Coronary time against Port Vale at home, 3-2
Three straight wins to get within six points of sixth

Aye, it's been shit so far. All the way.

Mind, I never saw ....coat...

A manager is there to manage resources and Danny Wilson hasn't managed his resources well this season at all. Every area has been messed about with with stupid selections and poor signings. The 'Danny Wilson cock up thread' has 30 odd things he has done incorrectly this season, each reason was genuine in my eyes and he has to take the blame for many of them.

I'm sure most people agree that as long as he plays the team that started on Tuesday for the rest of the season then they will restore their faith in Danny Wilson. If he plays around again and plays the likes of Foley, Antwi and Budtz opposed to the much better alternatives then he hasn't learnt anything.

I don't dislike the bloke and I hope he proves us all very very wrong but it's so frustrating when he is doing things so badly when we saw such a different Danny Wilson twelve months ago.

a tongue in cheek quote but you know that don't you? but the sentiment of the quote is what i believe
avoiding relegation is all i ask this season. as it looked like we were going to get sucked in but in my opinion that should never have been the case with arguably the best squad most of us have ever seen.and this despite us being the newcomers,as we are as good a side as most in the division "when we play football' What about the talent languishing in the reserves/youth teams when we are getting players fit for teams in our division
give me a player from manure or the toon but leeds???
he dosen't inspire me and a lot of people lately have been saying there is no thrill of the game atmosphere of late
just look at the gates
but i will be here when wilson isn't so i will just have to sit it out

i think wilson thinks too highly of certain players such as barker. dont get me wrong i like barker but i think hes too slow for this league and i prefer the much younger mckay. until wilson realises the long ball is not hufc's game then im afraid he will keep playing the much slower and older barker. Therefore i would not be too upset if wilson was to leave tomorro

I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY THAT

...but that's not their fault isit? ...despite what some may think, we are actually part of the entertainment industry.

Theoretically, to someone who wasn't there, it sounded like a good game... it was dire... we won, we got the points... but I came away feeling like we'd lost.

Forget the grassy knoll type speculation and Machiavelian theorising, it was just crap.

Gary Liddle's first appearance in a Pools shirt was in the League Cup tie against Burnley on 22nd August 2006.
Now, seriously, explain to me how that makes me wrong.

Don't make an arse of yourself Chip, it's not customary. (Well, not very.)
You neither Ian, just stop it please. You're making a point that doesn't exist. You can do better.

You're telling me the Gary Liddle deal was signed two and a half months before he played for us.
That the deal was announced two and a half months before he pulled on a shirt.

You've both been reading too much HG Wells.
Maybe you know of a game he played in before that Burnley match. I was in France you know, I might have missed it.

I never said anything like that which you are trying to suggest I did. Fatty names one game and says the rest has been shit. I merely pointed out that there was more than that one game that must have had merit. Coming back from 2-0 down to win 3-2 surely has some sort of a achievement stamped on it, however bad the circumstances of going 2-0 down were??

To be honest mate, you appear to hate it so much I really do wonder why you bother at all.

As an exercise in fence sitting, that justifies your huge arse.

Almost, although you will be hogging the fence......

What about the transfer embargo due to our wage bill being above 60% of our turnover?

I'll think you'll find that's why it took so long to sign him, because it would have been against league rules for us to do so. He was signed immediately after the embargo was lifted when IOR 'restructured' the finances.

I don't really care who signed him does it matter? It was a cracking signing. I also don't care who is the manager as long as we are doing well and the football is good to watch of late that has been the case long may it continue. We don't support a manager or a player we support Hartlepool United.

He's pissed me off at times but I don't get these pro and anti Wilson factions. I'm just pro Pools.

That certainly will have delayed things but it certainly didn't take IOR two months or more to react to the embargo after its announcement.
If it's true that the deal was set up in June just waiting for the embargo to be lifted, then that's serious because it means IOR were telling us giant porkies about suddenly having the embargo thrust on them.

In any case I can't believe Wilson just sat on his thumbs waiting for Liddle to arrive without doing some research himself into the lad's abilities. He must have had some input. It's fair enough saying the scouting staff found him, but so what - that's their job innit?

It matters who signed him only in as much as if we're going to criticise Wilson (which I am not; my feelings are completely neutral on that subject) let's at least criticise him for the right things.

I go straight for the throat ..... conspiracy theories aint my scene

Total agree with you on that one. Managers have to take people they trust's word most the times on signings especially the likes of Liddle who had hardly played any first team football. That's why I'd be more inclined to blame scouts/goalkeeping coaches for the recruitment of Dimi's replacement in the summer than Wilson.

At the end of the day the buck stops with the manager and Liddle was signed under Wilson's tenure so that goes down as a great Danny Wilson signing.

So if they're a crap signing it's the scouts/coaches fault, Danny stands untainted. If they're any good and have even the vaguest of links to Danny, they're a brilliant Wilson signing.
For Gods sake just propose to him and get it over with.

You totally miss my point.

Yes scouts and coaches may suggest signings but the buck stops with the manager. Liddle was good, apart from Sam Collins and McCunnie they have been bad this season.

*bends down with ring*