Just for posting tripe spouted by the alleged MP for Hartlepool. Unfortunately, in reality he is only in parliment to keep down the cost of toilet paper at 10 Downing Street.

Gordon Brown: I'm off for a shite Sarah
Sarah: ok, I'll summon Iain Wright to come and clean you up afterwards.

Gordon Brown: I think its a good idea to get rid of all employment in Hartlepool and move it to Wales
Iain Wright: Excellent idea Prime Minister, could we have a bus?

Gordon Brown: We're going to kill off everyone over 50 in Hartlepool
Iain Wright: I agree, sensible policies for a better Britain and they won't even need a bus.

ON THE HOSPITAL CLOSURE

[Ermm no, they want their own hospital not one in another county]


[wrong again. its not acceptable for people in Hartlepool not to have their own hospital]

[its a sight easier than travelling to North Tees]



[cover both angles why don't you]



Humphrey Appleby couldn't have written it better. You want to hand the problem back to your constituents? if they don't reply because most don't read the Mail any more or don't read your column because its of its Gordon Brown sycophancy, then you can claim that there is no public concern.

I dont know what everyone is getting eat up about this was always going to happen under a conservative, liberal or labour government.
Anyway, the level of care in our hospital is crap and has been for a long time so foook it.

Plus he's a pools fan isn't he

Well yous know what to do come election time. I wish Drummond would stand against him with a pledge to save the hospital. I reckon he would get in.

So are Lawrence, Meat Loaf and mass murderer Arthur Hutchinson. Mind you, I'd prefer any of them as MP

So is Anthony Anderson.

Well spotted, good point.

For those who can't place him: this is the character who pissed on the diabled woman as she lay dying.

You may be interested to know that I had the pleasure of talking to Blair's former agent John Burton - apparently Iain Wright was very quick to jump ship onto Gordon Brown's side. With many allegations at Wright in the furthering of his career, it wouldn't surprise me if he just tows the party line in a vain hope that he gets a better position in the party.

I don't like Iain Wright at all and I hope he gets outed as the useless MP he is. We look like losing the hospital and I can't think of anything good about his campaign so far, apart from the hilarious irony of "Wright from the town, Wright for the town".

So if Hitler had a season ticket, would you say 'I don't know what the problem is, they were gonna mass murder millions of people no matter who won the election. anyway, he's a poolie'.....

It was said tongue in cheek

Anyway, all politicians are full of self importance and full of fibs, what makes you think anyone else would do a better job

I can remember Ted Leadbitter being not very popular!!

An independent is at the very lease a voice in Parliment. Take Martin Bell, entirely without afiliation to any party but he did achieve things for his constituency.

Ted leadbitter wouldn't have rolled over and accepted the hospital fiasco, despite his faults.

I dont think Wright had much choice in the matter.

I very much doubt Leadbitter would have cared either, or Mandelson for that matter.

this bloke wright is a total cackhead,you just have to look at frank cook(stockton north mp)and how he fought tooth and nail for his constituants over north tees hospital and how the decision over the maternity unit was changed,and now the bloke has been deselected because he says what he thinks(also believe it or not he is a poolie).

Of all those three which one would you want to argue with....? In poliical terms, one's a bulldog, one's a Doberman and ones one of those yappy little dogs that likes to be patted and will always sit when told to.

which just proves the point the closure was on the cards anyway
shut it down tomorrow for me

And everyone else? We know its not perfect but the answer is not to shut it, the answer is to put it right.

it is beyond putting right when they are paying another poolie a thousand pound a week to help run it
but getting back to your independent mps
of the current crop of five all former parry members but one and i can't see you competing with the likes of those people let alone your run of the mill candidates from the big two
sure they got elected on the platform they chose then disappeared
do you seriously think offshore would have more clout in hartlepool than GUS?

Yes because he's not standing for an ego trip.

That's impossible to quantify. In my eyes, Ted Bedwetter and Iain Wright are the same useless entity. The sooner Hartlepool is marginalised, the quicker we'll all get a better deal.

neither was Gus he was touted by the thatcher crowd because they thought a local man might be in with a chance same as his agent who tried after him and got the same result

'marginilised' do enlighten us.

I remember Gus's election catchphrase. "Vote for Gus, he's one of us". He was allegedly heard to say on more than one occasion over the Tannoy in his car: "Vote for Gus, he's one of us - don't vote for Mandelson, he's one of them".

Aye but he was standing as a Tory in what was then a very Labour orientated town. Times are changing. My main worry though is funding.

Marginalised dear boy. The sooner the Labour party realise Hartlepool is no longer a safe seat they can ignore and neglect and just expect automatic re-selection, the quicker the townsfolk will be treated with the respect they deserve and more Government 'sweetners' will come our way.

For one nasty second, I thought you meant marginalised in the sense of being pushed to the edges of any debate as in sidelined...... that's better and I agree 100%.

then what happens if you have an independent and god forbid the tories win
pie in the sky never mind funding

At least the Tories built the Marina

AND WE HAD WHO AS AN MP AT THE TIME?

I REMEBER MAGGIE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT CHANGING THE WASTELANDS OF SMOGSVILLE AND THEY ARE STILL THERE AND SHE IS NOT
DO YOU THINK THOSE NICE TORIES SPENT THE MONEY ON THE MARINA INSTEAD?

To be fair... it wasn't 'smogsville'... It was the land between 'smogsville' and Stockton...now known as the Teesdale site, it's covered in offices, and university campuses and the Tees barrage... so decent jobs.....

so what about the bottom end near ice station zebra

You'll have to ask Rock Hudson about that.

I never once saw Heseltine, Pym, Tebbit or any of them laying bricks or sitting on their arses in portakabins in the early 1990's

Still its good to see they were all prepared to 'muck in'

Say what you like about Mandy but I'll bet if Tones "special friend" was still here it wouldn't have happened. Mind you Gordon would do it now out of spite if he was.

the best thing that can happen to Hartlepool is for Labour to be booted out, and as Mr O.O. has stated they need to be kept on their toes in future in case they do risk being voted out. I fail to see your blind loyalty to a party Mr Gremlin, which has basically reneged on its historical policies regarding such things as hospitals. The traditional socialist Labour party is dead, it now has more of the bad aspects of both mainstream parties, and very few of the good ones. It taxes anyuone to the eyeballs who tries to make a bit of money for themselves like traditional Labour would, it squanders huge amounts of public money on things the people of this country despise seeing their money wasted on, like traditional Labour would, but at the same time it goes to war in the Middle East with the Yanks, just like the Tories would; it allows NHS trusts to pay grotesque salaries and bonuses to its directors like the Tories would, at the same time negotiating pay rises for nurses in the same manner the Tories would - I could go on but I fail to see the similarity between people like Tony Blair or Gordon Brown, to someone like Michael Foot, Wedgy Benn or Neil Kinnock. The party has evolved, to the extent that it has the possibility to merge the best of both worlds, however it only achieves the worst of both in my opinion.

as i said before mr Parmo i am and have been for some time a lapsed voter over a number of issues and dont expect ever to cast a vote again
dont try and tell me that any politician of any of the parties these days are any different to their colleagues across the floor. yes i hanker after the old labour values but even the electorate of today don't understand the meaning of socialism so it will never return
and history will tell you that the tories were just as evil taxing the working man even if it was only beer and fagsand car tax at every budget
is going to war [which i disagreed with] any different to going to the Falklands to rescue a few farmers
wars like these are for politicians CVs and memoirs making sure they coin it in when they retire
as for the hospital my recent experience proves it should be closed down and it is the trust them selves that are paying this greedy fat Hartlepool accountant a salary of £1000.00 a week for popping in and as they run it them selves who is to stop them or consultants who work two afternoons per week for more than they are paying him
the whole system is just one big gravy train

a lot of what you said has reinforced what I said - the old Labour is dead, and they don't look after the people who voted for them any more. Unless of course you happen to be a smackhead, a lifetime dole waller or illegal immigrant.
Or someone who contributes large sums of money to party funds (just like the Tories traditionally)

Imagine if you will that Pools were taken over by Middlesborough FC. They would install their own people and their own processes. We'd go into the shop and see Middlesborough shirts on sale with a Hartlepool Name on them. We'd see lots of red seats installed in the ground instead of blue ones (or yellow and green). Our players would gradually be replaced by Middlesbrough reserves and fringe players or first teamers needing match practice.

Over time Pools would turn into Middlesbroughs second team in the same way as the Spanish big clubs have an A team in the second division. The team would still be called Hartlepool United FC but everyone would know its not really true.

Thats what you have with this Labour party, they're a very different animal to the one you support but as they're wearing the hat and coat of the old party then you'll vote for them. Does Tony Blair and Gordon Brown really represent your views Ian ? Are you happy for us to be involved in two pointless and unwinnable wars? Are you happy with the decline of almost every facet of British industry and society? I know you'll quote the destruction of Britain by Mrs Thatcher but that was a wholy different scenario; back then this country was bankrupt when she took over, Tony Blair took over a growing economy and proceeded to give the proceeds to weapons manufacturers. Check the cost of these two wars, they're mindblowingly expensive. This is why Brown needs to tax everything, the money that has been blown in Iraq and to a lesser extent Afghanistan would transform the NHS into a world class service. This lot are about as similar to the true Labour party as Snowy's "Tees Valley United" is to Pools.

I'm not saying that the Tories under Cameron are perfect either, I won't be voting for him. It's odd that probably most of the country would vote for the Liberals of they thought they had a chance, I certainly would. They've been proved right in just about every major issue.

You may well be right about an independent not having much of a chance but to carry on under these shysters is not an option. To quote an old catchphrase: Labour isn't working.

so you still sit on the fence but once again you vote liberal and you waste your vote
they are only any good when in opposition never really hacked it in power easy to talk a good fight but difficult to put into practice
and like the rest of them infighting will destroy them as it did before they were what they are now
liberal socialist or what ever i is easy to be proved right after the event
cameron is a thatcher clone with out the ability to be one he will fade and die too
so the cost of the Falklands is different to the middle east wars purley as it was a tory war

you sound like john snow most of the country would vote liberal

I had finished my involvement in this thread but I gotta come back on this one.

Yes its different Ian. These wars are about US domination and oil. You can make a fairly weak case for Afghanistan being as Al Queda are HQ'd there but Iraq, naw.

The war in the Falklands was very different. It was an old fashioned war fought and won by soldiers, sailors and airmen fighting to liberate 2300 British people whi had been invaded by an armed agressor who had a CURRENT track record of torture and state terrorism in their own country. The Argentine government of the seventies and early eighties murdered 30'000 of its own people as I've said before.

After the invasion of 2 April, there were a couple of thousand of Islander - all British people who were already being abused by the Argies. Patrick Watts for example being forced to broadcast over the radio with a gun to his head, after being ordered to surrender, the Royal Marines of NP8901 would have been killed at Government House if it were not for the intervention of Admiral Carlos Busser, of the Argentine Marine Corps.

A week or two after the invasion the Argies were getting a bit paranoid about radio transmissions they were picking up around Ross Road West in Stanley and they triangulated the broadcast down to one of three houses. In one of these houses lived Simon Goss and his wife Liz. Simon was about 23 at the time and they had two kids a baby boy and a little three year old girl. One night the door was kicked open and in comes half a dozen Argies along with one of Argentina most notorious torturers, Major Patricio Dowling (Irish-Argentine). They searched the place and found nothing untoward.

After slapping Simon and Liz around and interrogation them about a radio, Simon was pinned to the floor with his face pushed into the corner. Liz was taken to another room. By this time Simon was a touch concerned as you might imagine. Dowling told him that his wife was being raped to teach her some manners and that if he didn't tell him where the radio was he was going to shoot Corina, the little girl.

Simon truthfully screamed that he didn't know anything about it and Dowling ordered that Simon's head was turned to face him and he then grabbed Corina who was hysterical by this stage and put a gun in her mouth. He said that if he didn't have and answer in ten seconds he would shoot. Simon's face was pushed back into the corner, Corina was gagged and taken outside. As far as Simon was concerned Corina still had the gun in her mouth. Dowling counted to ten with Simon screaming that he didn't know. At the count of ten Downling fired his gun, throwing some water on the back of Simon's head at the same time. He told Simon that the back of his head was covered with the girls blood.

After than Simon was pretty much incoherent and Dowling left. The whole family was permanently traumatised by this event and remains so to this day. This was not an isolated incident, Dowling was eventually sent back to Argentina and is still wanted in several countries for murder and torture.

The point of this story is this: The Falklands was very very different to Iraq, it was not about anything other than British people being invaded by a fascist dictatorship. They had every right to expect that they would be defended by their own armed forces and we were right to go and kick them out.

I suspect Gladstone, Asquith and Lloyd George might disagree with that statement.

yes you have to go back a long way in history to find one

So your argument is because the libs haven't been in power for a long time they are no good in power.

I think that the ad-libs should be in power

And even longer to come up with this one!

See I'm so fookin interested in politics that I can't keep away from this thread. I have to read it at least every two weeks.

I've selected a couple of bits out of Mr I's script the most telling being in italics.

That was the election with the back ground that the gravediggers in Liverpool wouldn't bury the dead, Wedgewood Benn had renounced his lordship to come and show the working classes how revolutions should be done, there were heaps of bin rubbish in the streets and the lights were out. The whole place was a shambles.

I understand that true labour with the cooperation of the trade unions were running things at the time.

Everyone blames the politicians but the truth is that GB is an old knackered country with no real wealth producing industry cos we can't compete, the initiative has passed to other nations with a younger more ambitious population and it's Britains turn to sample some poverty. God help our kids and grandkids.