The average cost per prisoner place in 2006-2007 was £30,989. Now places at accommodation centres are not as expensive as that, but they are not cheap and the cost of building them is also significant especially as they get torched from time to time. So even if you have not a shred of humanity towards fellow human beings in your brain, surely you can see that you are probably getting a financial bargain in terms of reducing support costs, plus making it less likely that the person will get off the plane, turn round and attempt to enter illegally again.

they should give them something



and it aint money

i didnt but in i just think giving them gold is better than money

i could do it for cheaper

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no i better not

i know me to

But many of the asylum seekers have nothing. You can't just send them back with nothing to live on, can you?

They must have had something to get here

i dont blame asylum seekers

but in most cases the country they come from is disgraceful

And what if they have spent up? Many people just want a chance in life. i know there will be people who look at the UK and know about all the benefits that are available but that is the fault of our system.

That is if they can actually get a job in Africa...

So a Burglar breaks into your house cos he's spent all his earnings from his last job....you take pity on him and tell him he's forgoten the bairn's DVD player????

But I do agree with you on the....It's the Goverments fault....I'd do the same if I could and got the same benefits!!!!

Very good theory but as you are from the UK on your return to Britain you would be housed and given benefits anyway.... These luxuries are not available to the whole world......

They are hardly going to live like kings when many people have to travel 4 or 5 miles from their home to the nearest water supply. Hopefully with the money they are given they will make a go of things. Not all asylum seekers are bone idol, i would actually think very few would be as they have made some effort to get here in the first place.

This country has generations of people who are bone idol that i am far more concerned about. There are loads of people on incapacity benefit for example that would be capeble of doing a days graft, but they just sit in there house living of the taxpayer whilst many people are having to work beyond their retirement age.....

Why not.

Just give them a pair of oars and one small boat with a hole in it.

Couldn't agree more, I've been wanting them to do that for years.

Haven't you got a tree to hug?

Mutley,

'Simple solution....you can fly to New York for less than £200 these days so I'm sure it's not much more to fly them anywhere in the world!!!! '

I think you'll find that if you put them on a plane to the US, under the Geneva Convention of 1951 which governs asylum, the US government would be entitled to send them right back again. The only country obliged to take them back is their country of origin or a safe country through which they can be shown to have transitted. The trouble with sending them back home with no more than the charity clothes they stand up in is they have the same incentive to try to come back to Europe.

So the main argument for giving them a cash incentive (bribe) is to avoid spending much more money through security and accommodation costs within the UK.

Because I am a pathetic liberal, I also recognise arguments to treat people with humanity even if they are in the wrong according to international law. But even if you are a cold-hearted dastard, I can't see why you would want to spend a lot more money on less successful policies unless you are motivated by disturbed, irrational motives which I am sure you are not.

PS Happy to deport Darlo supporters to Darlo in the charity clothes they stand up in.

People's opinion's will change as time goes by higher taxes. petrol more expensive. higher council tax. more and larger fines for road user's the money has got to come from some where to fund this and it's the woking man that will get kicked in the knacker's again only when your taxes goes though the roof will alot of people start shouting by then it's to late. in my opinion.

Of course, Mr M. But which is your preferred objective? (i) to get rid of them in a cost effective way which gives some hope they won't come right back or (ii) treat them a piece of dirt because you are blinded by your anger from doing something sensible? Feed your anger and you do nothing about the problem. =

Well you can alway's reason with a Prime Minster that was not electored by the people but he will be to busy hiding his expense from the public and grinning telling us it will be great soon.

I will repeat this slowly

You vote for the party, not the leader, it's always been the case.......

Far be it from me to defend the former Labour party but Mr Linighan is right and in this particular case he's even more right. It was crystal clear before the last election that Brown would take over from Blair in this parliament.

And a referendum on the treaty.

I think we're losing the plot with talk of cost effectiveness here. If you find them, you deport them, if they reutrn because you haven't stuffed a wedge of dosh in their back pocket, you deport them again, their investment in getting to this country is something they really can't afford to keep pulling out anyway, so multiple attempts at returning here isn't financially viable for illegals anyway. There really is no need to give anybody anything for being an illegal.... and when they do return 'home' and someone says to them where did you get the money to start your business they say go to the UK... THEY'LL PAY YOU TO GO AWAY.... surely this only encourages the problem.

Snowy, each time you pay border police to find them, each time you accommodate them for months if not years in detention facilities while they claim asylum, and each time you pay for an airline ticket to deport them, it may cost a lot more than to give them a nice wedge to set them up back home and short-circuit the process. That saving applies even if they just come here once, let alone if they try again. Cost effectiveness is the main reason for the policy. However, I'd agree that I don't know of any official research into the policy as to whether it really works. But it strikes me as a potentially rational response to one-off illegal migrants.

As for paying the world's poorest people the money to become more economically self-sufficient, we should indeed think about doing that without waiting for them having to try to come illegally to Europe. It's called international development and most western countries have an abysmal record on that score. Again, before you say it, I agree that their own governments should do more, though the facilitation of corruption in the many countries derives from the practices of western supplier companies and complicit western banks.

Who says anything about accomodating them for years .... they just go back when caught, the entire legal process in this insatnce is a mockery... as for third world countries and their politics... a basket case that we are partially responsible for, for expecting them to accept our culture and what goes with it.

A bit of research will reveal that the biggest suppliers to African countries and the Middle East are those lovely countries like France and China, in view iof the decline of such industries in this country, we'll probably be supplying them with beauty therapists and tatooists.

Snowy, They can't be sent back pronto because they are treated like human beings (admittedly second class human beings) who are recognised as having interests and perhaps a story to tell about why they should be given asylum. In case you think that is all tosh, I can tell you that virtually every other country in the world has signed up to the same standards under the Geneva Convention 1951 relating to the status of refugees. You might want to treat unwanted arrivals as if they were Untermenschen, but the world standard demands a tad of humanity.




Snowy, 'fraid not. Certainly the French, US and Chinese are in the game, but one of the world's biggest arms suppliers is BAe Industries and it is not by chance that the biggest arms fair in Europe is held each year in the ExCel Centre in Docklands. A bit of research will actually reveal that the UK is the world's second biggest arms exporter, behind the US.

Well maybe more savings could indeed be made by just kicking them straight back out, but let's take one thing at a time eh?
This scheme has saved us money and done so in a positively humane way so it's not a bad compromise to be getting on with while we attack more serious problems.

Personally speaking, I don't begrudge giving them a few quid to get a new start. I'm delighted not to be in the position of asylum seeker myself. And like nearly everyone on the board, I would imagine, if I'm not in that position myself it's by sheer good luck, not by design.

Gun and drug dealers that have been in prison for less than a year will not be deported they will be left in this country to carry on there good work.
This country is fast becoming the human dustbin of the world.

What's the difference between a Rolls Royce Trent 700 and a Poolie Bunker reactionary?
The Rolls Royce Trent 700 *stops* whining as soon as it has no work to do.

An Indian in Calcutta once taught me a great lesson in humility. I'd got a taxi to Howrah station and on the way it stopped to pick up a man accompanied by three children. Not being used to having my taxis stopped by others I started to complain to the driver. The man who had just got in turned round and asked "are you comfortable in the back?" Since he and all three kids were sharing a single seat in the front there wasn't very much I could say was there, so I shut up.

So, tell me, are you the complainers comfortable compared with people like the asylum seekers? If so then why do yous spend all your fookin time whinging about immigrants/muslims/wheelie bins/homosexuals/kate nash/speed fines...

Chill out folks!

Gypsys, tramps and thieves.............................

Right on, Mr I. Let's deport Cher.

To Darlington ?

The trick is to select, and I'm not pretending its easy, the genuine ones and help them. They have every right to expect support from a country who claim to be a safe haven from oppression. The dodgepots should be booted out unceremoniously.