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 Post subject: Re: WILSON OUT !!!!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:19 pm 
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chip fireball wrote:
it does seem strange that the likes of proud poolie, poolieinaustinsdad, jockthe monkey, bosh poolie, misterb2001 etc have all suddenly appeared out of nowhere to sing the praises of danny wilson at a time when fans are beginning to question his leadership.

after a win over tranmere proud poolie boasts the team is on course for promotion and mocks anyone who previously doubted the manager.

poolieinaustinsdad points out 4 games where pools played brilliantly with barker in the team. we lost 3 of them.

these new optimists seem to be wearing the rose tinted spectacles of old. they slate anyone who is unhappy with the current situation and questions whether those of us who have been going for donkeys years are genuine fans.

they are of course entitled to an opinion, but i have yet to hear anything from any of them, or for that matter from the manager, that suggests we are about to turn the corner i'm afraid.


Gotta agree with this. The problem with Rivals was that you were not permitted to criticise the players/manager/club. As soon as you did you got slated for it. It was for this reason I stopped using it and gladly swapped over to the bunker.These new people who have recently joined this forum (presumably from Rivals) are going to turn this board into another rivals, it is going that way already, i.e childish slagging matches because some people question the club and its players right now. These people will turn round at the end of the season when we are either relegated or survive by the skin of our teeth and say that it was the negativity and bad luck which caused us to have a bad season and not the players/manager. refred


I think that some people struggle to look at things objectively and struggle to criticise the club because they think that it reflects on them as a supporter somehow. It's almost like they believe that if they say anything that could have a negative connotation then it means that they aren't a very good fan.

i'm fed up with the excuse mentality that Pools seem to have developed......


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 Post subject: Re: WILSON OUT !!!!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:35 pm 
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and what makes you think we want to be accepted in your clique


Youve registered on our board

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 Post subject: Re: WILSON OUT !!!!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:50 pm 
i registed because i think there,s more to this board than your clique


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 Post subject: Re: WILSON OUT !!!!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:17 pm 
We've all been to all the grounds in the lower 2 divisions umpteen times haven't we, and 21 grounds in the championship and 12 in the premiership and 11 in the Blue square, big deal.
What I can't get my head round is why anyone thinks that by slagging any one of our players off as soon as we hit a bad spell, is going to help our team. sctatchinghead I don't think anyone plays badly delibrately do they, although one of this boards favourites suddenly improved dramatically after Scotty was sacked, I'd have thought you pull your puddings out in every game whether you get on with the manager or not! sctatchinghead
Every player seems to say that an excellent team spirit is what has carried us through season after season barring Scottys disaster when he ruined the same said team spirit.
So they (players) and us (fans) are all in it together, so by creating a hostile atmosphere against players and manager won't help our cause. If players consistantly don't perform they will lose there place, if results and style of play are not what the club demands, the manager will lose his place.
Encouragement is the best form of motivation, so more of this thrilled and less of this rage is what's required is what i say :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: WILSON OUT !!!!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:55 pm 
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pooielooieaustinstad wrote:
I don't think anyone plays badly delibrately do they, although one of this boards favourites suddenly improved dramatically after Scotty was sacked, I'd have thought you pull your puddings out in every game whether you get on with the manager or not! sctatchinghead
Every player seems to say that an excellent team spirit is what has carried us through season after season barring Scottys disaster when he ruined the same said team spirit.
Contradictions, contradictions......YOU slag players off for not trying for Scotty then refer to his 'reign' as being a disaster which ruined team spirit....
So it's OK for you to criticise managers and players but no one else...?

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 Post subject: Re: WILSON OUT !!!!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:18 pm 
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dawlishmonkey wrote:
gents,you seem to saying that the only valid opinion is one which takes a negative slant on DW and the present situation.
Looking at where we're at ,we have 24 points from 19 games and are 12th.I'd have probably taken that before the season.we are at a critical point though,the next 2 games are critical,both are games we can win and probably must win cos then we have the top 3 sides in the division and I can't see us getting anything from those games.
I'll still back DW up till that point but where we are at 5 o clock on new years day will make my mind up until then my glass is still half full.
mind you lads know how to make new posters welcome.


Couldnt have put it better myself.

Every new member posting here gets slated and put down to the point where they begin to feel that it is pointless posting.

The bunker has around 10-12+/- regulars (Mr I, ADG, Ripper, Snowy etc) who all back each other up most of the time or keep quiet when you know one of your clique are indeed wrong. This is unfortunate for yourselves since it portrays yourselves as some of the most negative Pools fans that this club has. Maybe its keyboard-warrioring I am not sure.

I do hear the odd grumbles when I go to the vic, talk to Poolie friends or travel to away matches but I can honestly say I have not heard such negativity that I see posted on this site.


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and what makes you think we want to be accepted in your clique


Youve registered on our board


Not sure about jock etc but I registered to portray a view. One that is not negative. One that hopefully shows that the majority of Pools fans are not negative, arrogant and unconstructive as are the clique of this board.

I am not saying this out of spite, I am a neutral. I have never posted or registered at rivals.net. I am a Poolie like the rest of you, have been all my life and always will be. I just want the best for my club.


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 Post subject: Re: WILSON OUT !!!!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:47 pm 
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I do believe I give a reasoned debate to support my arguement.

For example when I posted the Wilson Out? poll which had many votes, I voted (obviously) No. I then stated why I think Wilson should be given more time.

Often I am met by posts like 'arsehole' 'ebbsfleet lover' all very amusing im sure :wink:

Maybe its just keyboard warrioring. Since I guess some of you guys know each other in real life and would perhaps talk to each other in such a way, since I definately would to my mates.

But I wouldnt speak like that in real life to people I do not know.

It could only happen behind a PC :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: WILSON OUT !!!!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:03 am 
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Thats a good post

But there is a difference between constructive criticsm and destructive.

There is a minority that is destruvtive and its this criticsm that I bleat about.

I dont think anyone intends to be destructive since we all love this club. But I bleat because hopefully the people who are guilty of being destructive will realise, and think before they post.


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 Post subject: Re: WILSON OUT !!!!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:06 am 
Boshpoolie wrote:
dawlishmonkey wrote:
gents,you seem to saying that the only valid opinion is one which takes a negative slant on DW and the present situation.
Looking at where we're at ,we have 24 points from 19 games and are 12th.I'd have probably taken that before the season.we are at a critical point though,the next 2 games are critical,both are games we can win and probably must win cos then we have the top 3 sides in the division and I can't see us getting anything from those games.
I'll still back DW up till that point but where we are at 5 o clock on new years day will make my mind up until then my glass is still half full.
mind you lads know how to make new posters welcome.


Couldnt have put it better myself.

Every new member posting here gets slated and put down to the point where they begin to feel that it is pointless posting.

The bunker has around 10-12+/- regulars (Mr I, ADG, Ripper, Snowy etc) who all back each other up most of the time or keep quiet when you know one of your clique are indeed wrong. This is unfortunate for yourselves since it portrays yourselves as some of the most negative Pools fans that this club has. Maybe its keyboard-warrioring I am not sure.

I do hear the odd grumbles when I go to the vic, talk to Poolie friends or travel to away matches but I can honestly say I have not heard such negativity that I see posted on this site.


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jockthemonkey wrote:
and what makes you think we want to be accepted in your clique


Youve registered on our board


Not sure about jock etc but I registered to portray a view. One that is not negative. One that hopefully shows that the majority of Pools fans are not negative, arrogant and unconstructive as are the clique of this board.

I am not saying this out of spite, I am a neutral. I have never posted or registered at rivals.net. I am a Poolie like the rest of you, have been all my life and always will be. I just want the best for my club.


Nice one Boshpoolie, well said. I like you have never posted or registered at rivals.net and my first view was to try and defend what I saw as unfair criticism of outfield players that is starting to gt out of hand, (jeering before player even gets on pitch, Barker v Tranmere)
When the facts are that we are constantly letting in soft goals time and time again when the team are playing well and it just deflates the whole team. That's my opinion!


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 Post subject: Re: WILSON OUT !!!!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:20 am 
Ok many of us are now friends off the the boards, because we became friends on the board. Many (as I do) see a message board as a place to let off steam, because to my knowledge none of the regular posters on here & certainly those you describe as a "clique" are ever anything but supportive of the team during matches, irrespective of how badly we are playing & I would know because I stand with or near a lot of them every home game

Lighten up banghead

& should the players management et al read the board & be upset, well so be it - it goes with the job & perhaps may just wake somebody up to their percieved shortcomings & actually do some good


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 Post subject: Re: WILSON OUT !!!!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:21 am 
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chip fireball wrote:
bosh nobody is forced to post on here. if you dont like it then dont come on here. it really is as simple as that.

this board is not, and never has been while i have been on here, about negativity. in a recent poll only a small minority voted to say they would sack wilson given the choice.

there is a fundamental argument at the moment between those who think danny wilson is doing a great job and those who dont. you suggest that there is a clique on here and mention names, but i could just as easily suggest that you, austins dad, jock, misterb and proud poolie are a clique, simply because you share a viewpoint and have all arrived here at the same time.

regardless of what you might think, almost all of the posters on here want " whats best for the club", but you dont have a monopoly on determining how this should be displayed.

i have no allegiances on this board. i knew only 2 other posters ( gremmlin and hawklord ) when i joined, and have met a few others since then. i dont consider myself part of any clique or gang. i have written for just about every edition of the fanzine for 8 or 9 years now, and always try to give a balanced viewpoint. when its good i say its good and i do the same when its bad.

i think wilson is making a pigs ear of the season thus far and have explained the reasons why. i consider my criticism to be constructive. those that have come on here and accused me and others of negativity, have given almost no persuasive argument to counter that.

some of the people you accuse of negativity e.g. snowy and adg have been wilsons fiercest defenders in the past so its not like they have any axe to grind.

if you think the football pools have served up this season is worthy of praise, then fair enough, you are entitled to an opinion, but stop bleating like a child every time someone takes an opposite view. its a message board ffs. if you want a 100 per cent pro pools viewpoint read the official website.

i have been called every name under the sun on here, its just words. i can categorically assure you if you come into the millhouse before any home game and there are bunker posters in there you will make new friends irrespective of who you have had a disagreement with on here.

Surely you come to bury wilson not to praise him?
Chip, do you realise that in nearly all your posts you go on about people having the right to an opinion, then slate them for having it?, at first I thought it was an intelligent wind up, then spirited naiveity ( could never spell that fooker) now I realise its just... :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: WILSON OUT !!!!
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...... 'optimism' won't win matches, it only prolongs the delusion..... reasonable football might.

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 Post subject: Re: WILSON OUT !!!!
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Boshpoolie wrote:
The bunker has around 10-12+/- regulars (Mr I, ADG, Ripper, Snowy etc) who all back each other up most of the time or keep quiet when you know one of your clique are indeed wrong. This is unfortunate for yourselves since it portrays yourselves as some of the most negative Pools fans that this club has. Maybe its keyboard-warrioring I am not sure.



Sorry, but I've gotta disagree with this statement!

I've disagreed with, argued the toss with and had polarised viewpoints from all of the posters you mention above at various times and have not been quiet about it.

And vice versa.

Unless anybody gets overly personal with insults on here then I don't see the problem with a healthy disagreement "online" but being able to share a pint with that same person pre or post match and have a similar face to face discussion. And that is whether the person is what you would call one of the "established posters" or a new poster who I've never personally met before.

What you may deem negativity is, in my case, only born of frustration with what I am seeing at the match on a regular basis. When they are good I'll be the first to sing their praises so conversely what is the problem with criticising when things are not right?

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All you all need to remember is that, I, ADG (In capitals, to highlight my importance) am always right.


Only when you agree with me. :laugh:

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ADG wrote:
I have never read so much utter shite in the history of the bunker.



You say this every month, indicating that there is more shite being posted on here, which is a surprise seeing as I post less these days :laugh:


ADG wrote:
All you all need to remember is that, I, ADG (In capitals, to highlight my importance) am always right.


So that makes two of us as well then :grin:

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 Post subject: Re: WILSON OUT !!!!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:04 pm 
ADG wrote:
All of these posters arrived at the same time......Planned?.......I wonder.


I don't think it's been 'Planned'!!!! :roll: confised

A few of them might have joined since Rivals 'Improved' their Site!!!! :shock: :shock: :laugh:


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The people who get the most vocal tend to be the most passionate. Personally I have never called for DW's sacking. I think he's the best manager we could reasonably expect to have. In other words there's no one better available and willing to come to Pools.

Yes he's defensively minded and yes he is stubborn but he's been here less than two years and has won a promotion, we're currently sitting in mid table, a position most newly promoted sides would be happy with.

As for cliques; its not a new accussation and one that will always be levelled at a group of people who hang around together be it on or offline. Is the Bunker a clique? are a group of old soldiers a clique? are a a group of kids who knock about together a clique?


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katcha wrote:
ADG wrote:
I have never read so much utter shite in the history of the bunker.



You say this every month, indicating that there is more shite being posted on here, which is a surprise seeing as I post less these days :laugh:


ADG wrote:
All you all need to remember is that, I, ADG (In capitals, to highlight my importance) am always right.


So that makes two of us as well then :grin:


you both post s**** get grip of your selves and stop forming another bloody clique
as you well know only me chip and snowy and even mutley know what is "IN"

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