IP addresses on Rivals

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22631

I see that a couple of users have been banned because they use the same IP address. Methinks that someone doesn't understand the way some ISP's work. For example; if I banned everyone who shared the same IP I would have to exclude everyone in Hartlepool who uses NTL/Virgin. Some suppliers have the same IP for all users in a given node.

Sarf · **Joined:** Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:31 pm **Posts:** 323

All aol users share the same ip addy. What a wassuck

monkeehanger · **Posted:** Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:59 pm

Errr...I always thought an IP address was unique?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

i live in the pool and get my connection from the smoggies
dont aks me how

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22631

monkeehanger wrote:

Errr...I always thought an IP address was unique?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address

They are - at the point of connection. The trouble is that essentially with some ISP's you're all sharing the same connection at the server. Your cable just connects into the LAN and that connects to the internet.

GroovyCrimes · **Posted:** Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:17 pm

The way I understood it was on broaband your IP addres is constant but on dial up its different every time you dial up.

katcha · **Posted:** Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:45 pm

With broadband supply you can get a fixed (static) or dynamic (changing) IP addresses - the ISP will normally charge extra for a fixed IP which are normally used by gamers or businesses. Whilst you may have the same server and IP address as others, your user name that is used to connect (in some instances) can be what aids with identification as every username and password will require authentication on a server - which is why if entered wrong you get the old 691 error message for broadbands that 'mimic' a dial up connection.

unittjim · **Joined:** Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:23 pm **Posts:** 51

It is me that has been banned. I was emailed this morning saying that i had the same ip address as sussex, and unless i explained why this was, i was getting banned.I had no idea why it was, so could not explain, So i was banned. Pretty sick about it really

Salty · **Posted:** Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:10 pm

wouldn't sweat it Jim, the bunkers pi sses all over rivals anyway

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22631

unittjim wrote:

sctatchinghead It is me that has been banned. I was emailed this morning saying that i had the same ip address as sussex, and unless i explained why this was, i was getting banned.I had no idea why it was, so could not explain, So i was banned. Pretty sick about it really

I can see from your IP that you're connected through AOL. That being the case its impossible to pin down whether you are double posting or not because of the way AOL's IP allocation works.

unittjim · **Joined:** Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:23 pm **Posts:** 51

someone mentioned that earlier on, But i think at the end of the day it all boils down to the new and mighty Exec admin that has just been appointed, I was told in an email that he spotted we had the same ip address so recommended that the 2 of us were banned. What really really gets me, is that myself and sussex posted on different boards within a minute of each other. Anybody that has used rivals knows that it takes long enough to get from one clubs board to another, never mind having to log out, change to another board, log in under another name, and then post a message, all within 60 seconds!! I pointed this out but it was overlooked.
What gets to me the most is the fact we had both been banned was posted on the board by admin.

whitelight.whiteheat · **Posted:** Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:37 pm

All seems perfectly straightforward to me

Urinating all over rivals - you got a fetish there salty blastt

Fensy · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:15 pm **Posts:** 6471

Do you know who this new exec gadgie is? Surely the original Admin would have known that you both had the same IP address

unittjim · **Joined:** Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:23 pm **Posts:** 51

I have no idea who he is, But i personally feel he has made a mistake. He was appointed this week as far as i know. Last night he deleted a load of threads, when i asked him why he told me to give it a rest. Next thing i knew i was banned

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22631

unittjim wrote:

someone mentioned that earlier on, But i think at the end of the day it all boils down to the new and mighty Exec admin that has just been appointed, I was told in an email that he spotted we had the same ip address so recommended that the 2 of us were banned. What really really gets me, is that myself and sussex posted on different boards within a minute of each other. Anybody that has used rivals knows that it takes long enough to get from one clubs board to another, never mind having to log out, change to another board, log in under another name, and then post a message, all within 60 seconds!! I pointed this out but it was overlooked.
What gets to me the most is the fact we had both been banned was posted on the board by admin.

Unfortunately a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. This 'Admin exec guys seems to have a little knowledge. I don't know what the checking system is on the rivals betwork but we know someone who does. not that it matters, AOL users are allocated an IP within a fairly narrow range which can change post by post. 'Sussex' is also obviously an AOL user so its perfectly feasible that you and he can have posted from the same IP. I tried to offer some advice over there but got told that they knew better. Ho hum.

Check here: http://webmaster.info.aol.com/proxyinfo.html

unittjim · **Joined:** Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:23 pm **Posts:** 51

Yeah i noticed you had posted on the thread that admin had posted. Its his way or no way over there. Looks like your stuck with me here now, but im no bother!!
Thanks for the link, its gone off in an email to rivals

Fensy · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:15 pm **Posts:** 6471

Well seeing as you are staying

FO0K OFF

unittjim · **Joined:** Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:23 pm **Posts:** 51

Mr I, The executive has just replied to your post, claiming that issues have to be investigated.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22631

Wonder how long my reply lasts before deletion?

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superwatty Posted on 10/11 12:06 Email this Message | Reply
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I think your new man is having the desired effect , admin.

He needs to investigate a few more.

Wow....our deej dancing new friend lordessex seems to want rid of me.

Maybe all this exposure is getting to him.

It looks like the message board is getting cleaned up at last.

Bye Bye Essex.

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Lord_Essex Posted on 10/11 12:08 Email this Message | Reply
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Methinks not tvvatty.

Better luck next time eh?

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richo1uk Posted on 10/11 12:10 Email this Message | Reply
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if it turns out they are the same person then i request a life bann due to the fact he or she abused our forums rules or better still shoot the busterd

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superwatty Posted on 10/11 12:26 Email this Message | Reply
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Essex?....Essex?.....isn't Southend in Essex???

Anybody know of any loids in Southend?????

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HUFC_ADMINISTRATOR Posted on 10/11 12:28 Email this Message | Reply
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Richo - it will be impossible to ever find out whether unit and sussex are the same person - the only thing I can confirm is that the same ip address was being used for both ids.

Kind regards

Admin

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Lancspoolie Posted on 10/11 13:03 Email this Message | Reply
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It really is about time the messageboard was cleaned up and we got rid of non Pools fans who are not capable of having rational conversations and banter.

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Mr_Irrelevant Posted on 10/11 14:13 Email this Message | Reply
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A word to the wise:

Two users who have the same IP does not mean that they are the same person by any means. Some ISP's utilise the same IP for all users within a given node. For example most people on NTL/Virgin in Hartlepool will show the same IP much the same is the case for AOL.

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richo1uk Posted on 10/11 14:18 Email this Message | Reply
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i got vigincrap media as has most of my family but our ip's differ ?

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HUFC_ADMINISTRATOR Posted on 10/11 14:45 Email this Message
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Mr Irrelevant. I understand your argument and in certain cases agree with it.

However, (for reasons that I will not go into on a public board) I am comfortable with this decision.

There has been considerable email correspondence in background and until the outstanding questions have been answered to my satisfaction, the ban will stay in place.

Kind regards

Admin

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Mr_Irrelevant Posted on 10/11 23:25 Email this Message | Edit | Reply
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I'm not arguing, I'm not bothered one way or the other. However the fact is that you are simply way wrong. Clearly there is a lack of understanding of dynamic IP's with you and your sidekick. I know from the Bunker IP logs that Unittjim posts through AOL. That being the case its not suprising that he registers from the same IP as another AOL user whoever or wherever they might be. AOL users IP's can change from one minute to the next unless they're on dial up further to that AOL apply a fairly narrow band of dynamic IP's.

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EXEC_ADMIN Posted on 10/11 23:47 Email this Message | Edit | Reply
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Mr Irrelevant - as you are not bothered either way, the id block stays in place as placed by HUFC_ADMINISTRATOR.

Until the issues(note the word ISSUES)have been investigated, the block stays in place.

Thank you for your input.

Cheers

EXEC_ADMIN

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Mr_Irrelevant Posted on 10/11 23:59 Email this Message | Edit | Reply
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Oh dear oh dear......... its a messageboard, nothing more. You're not running a HR department, its just a minor football messageboard.

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unittjim · **Joined:** Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:23 pm **Posts:** 51

He sounds like he is right up his own arce. I would like to know what the ISSUES are. Maybe because i questioned something he deleted? I dont know

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22631

a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, enhanced with a little power is even more so.

katcha · **Posted:** Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:18 am

i like the use of the word minor - you did well to refrain from inferior :grin:

unittjim · **Joined:** Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:23 pm **Posts:** 51

Yeah i will stick around here, thanks. I will make a fuss over there until they unblock me, then cancel my account. I like to have the last laugh

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22631

I've given up. I only posted on there because it was clear that there was a lack of understanding of the workings of IP's and someone had been wrongly banned. They of course know better and now apparently Unit Jim is being investigated. Maybe they'll find an AOL setup disc on the grassy knoll.

unittjim · **Joined:** Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:23 pm **Posts:** 51

Well if i am being investigated for another issue, then surely i should be told about it and not lied to. And why would they ban sussex in that case?
Oh god i hope i dont have the police knocking me up during the night!!!

unittjim · **Joined:** Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:23 pm **Posts:** 51

I am a poolie by the way for anyone who has read the post on rivals. For some reason, The person questioning the fact over there always found it to hard to take in, even though i proved it to him on more than one occasion

Frodraff · **Posted:** Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:29 am

Sarf · **Joined:** Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:31 pm **Posts:** 323

As an aol user myself, i fully expect to be banned next as a multi-user :roll:

grabec · **Posted:** Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:49 pm

Why does Rivals Admin sign off, 'Kind Regards, Admin'?

It always has sounded a tad pretentious but now it's downright inappropriate.
"I have recently banned you. Kind regards, Admin."

Spender · **Posted:** Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:45 pm

Sarf wrote:

As an aol user myself, i fully expect to be banned next as a serial masturbator :roll:

Sir, there is a time and a place........ :roll:

Sarf · **Joined:** Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:31 pm **Posts:** 323

Bastad (c) MOD

:laugh:

ptbap · **Posted:** Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:40 am

Mr I wrote:

I don't know what the checking system is on the rivals betwork but we know someone who does.

Ermmm yes, can I be of assistance in this matter?!!?

Top and bottom of it is you get a whole page of messages with ip addresses next to them, trace the IP and about 50% of the times I did it all I got back was NTLWORLD. It's a waste of time, half the north east of england were/are on NTLWORLD. You simply don't know if you are banning one user or 500 users.

Now banning by cookie is another matter, banning by username is the best solution, yes your offender can register another username, but they soon get bored of doing that especially as you need a new email address for each new username.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22631

Thats exactly what I was getting at, its no different on here. If I banned an NTL/Virgin user by IP half the members wouldn't be able to log in. AOL is even worse, IP's can change each post and because AOL use a quite narrow band of IP's its perfectly easy for say me in Nottingham and you in Hartlepool to post from the same IP on any given day.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22631

Naw, something wrong IT wise, they can't fix it because their 'IT Support' don't work weekends rolfl

ptbap · **Posted:** Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:25 am

although the Darlington, Bury and MK Dons boards are working fine, and they all sit on the same machine/database/server farm, whatever you want to call it!!

Mr I wrote:

Naw, something wrong IT wise, they can't fix it because their 'IT Support' don't work weekends rolfl

Spender · **Posted:** Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:32 pm

I say let 'em stew in their own juice. :grin:

It wasn't that good in the first place and they're playing God. :roll:

Mr I, stop saying 'methinks.' :evil:

I hate that....... rage

dawlishmonkey · **Joined:** Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:53 am **Posts:** 1588

I don't begin to understand. So how did the blokes from the sheff wed site get prosecuted recently and how did those involved in Newell gate get sussed if IP addresses aren't individual then?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22631

dawlishmonkey wrote:

I don't begin to understand. So how did the blokes from the sheff wed site get prosecuted recently and how did those involved in Newell gate get sussed if IP addresses aren't individual then?

The ISP (company) can always trace you through the Ip coupled with your login details. The surfing history logs is measured in microseconds at the point of connection - the company's server.

However - tracing through whois for example will only tell you so much and without access to the companys info its impossible to trace a user through certain ISP's.

Frodraff · **Posted:** Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:12 pm

Pooliekev wrote:

I say let 'em stew in their own juice. :grin:

It wasn't that good in the first place and they're playing God. :roll:

Mr I, stop saying 'methinks.' :evil:

I hate that....... rage

Methinks you're getting to be a grumpy old get taking exception to people saying methinks. :grin:

dawlishmonkey · **Joined:** Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:53 am **Posts:** 1588

Mr I wrote:

dawlishmonkey wrote:

I don't begin to understand. So how did the blokes from the sheff wed site get prosecuted recently and how did those involved in Newell gate get sussed if IP addresses aren't individual then?

The ISP (company) can always trace you through the Ip coupled with your login details. The surfing history logs is measured in microseconds at the point of connection - the company's ver.
However - tracing through whois for example will only tell you so much and without access to the companys info its impossible to trace a user through certain ISP's.

So I take it then that if I libel someone on here you have an obligation to pass on my details? is that how it works.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22631

dawlishmonkey wrote:

Mr I wrote:

dawlishmonkey wrote:

I don't begin to understand. So how did the blokes from the sheff wed site get prosecuted recently and how did those involved in Newell gate get sussed if IP addresses aren't individual then?

The ISP (company) can always trace you through the Ip coupled with your login details. The surfing history logs is measured in microseconds at the point of connection - the company's ver.
However - tracing through whois for example will only tell you so much and without access to the companys info its impossible to trace a user through certain ISP's.

So I take it then that if I libel someone on here you have an obligation to pass on my details? is that how it works.

In theory although they have a few problems with that:

a) This site is not registered to my home address
b) The contact detais are duff
c) If they do get in touch with me they would need a court order
d) All I can actually give them if forced, is an email address which anyone sensible would have used a disposable one. There is no need for names or addresses when registering.

Spender · **Posted:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:00 am

Frodraff wrote:

Pooliekev wrote:

I say let 'em stew in their own juice. :grin:

It wasn't that good in the first place and they're playing God. :roll:

Mr I, stop saying 'methinks.' :evil:

I hate that....... rage

Methinks you're getting to be a grumpy old get taking exception to people saying methinks. :grin:

I've warned him. :evil:

If he didn't run the place I'd get him banned. :grin:

Oi!! 'Relevant!!! Ban yourself for three days for excessive use of 'methinks....' :evil:

And don't you start, I could be in charge of your menu in February......... refyellow

unittjim · **Joined:** Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:23 pm **Posts:** 51

They must of done the investigation. I have been banned from the whole rivals network now, With no explanation to what i have done And not one reply to 8 or 9 emails from the administrator!! Very proffesional

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22631

No great shakes is it. Partly because you've lost nothing and partly because if you esperately want to rejoin you only have to re-register. They can't ban you by IP because they'll ban everyone on an AOL connection.

unittjim · **Joined:** Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:23 pm **Posts:** 51

I dont want to rejoin, im finished over there, just want to know why i was banned

Spender · **Posted:** Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:30 am

Just rejoin as Jim Unitt or something.

Personally I'd miss Rivals like I'd miss toothache. :roll:

unittjim · **Joined:** Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:23 pm **Posts:** 51

I just recieved an email from admin, after i asked for an explanation. All that was in the email was posts i have made on here in this thread. Looks like me posting on a totally different baord was the reason for my banning!! pathetic. I pressume after they got it all so wrong with the ip address, they looked for another reason, And constantly ignored my emails until they found a reason.

unittjim · **Joined:** Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:23 pm **Posts:** 51

Its strange how the 2 admins over there always seem to post after each other under different names, i think they need to check the ip addresses of them two.

garthwd · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:23 am **Posts:** 791

If you really want to take it further it may be worth you actually contacting Rivals yourself. The Rivals admin, I believe, is paid £250 per month so is only really an employee of Rivals than actually owning the Never Say Die board. I believe DJ got reinstated after going straight to Rivals about being banned though I think the NSD mod made out it was his decision to reinstate DJ.

unittjim · **Joined:** Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:23 pm **Posts:** 51

Im really not bothered, if i wanted i could just come back under a new name, but to be honest, its not very good over there anyway, even more so that exec admin and admin seem to be on a very high horse

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