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 Post subject: Trump and Putin
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2025 7:29 pm 
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BBC News - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2kzn1n ... tification
Live updates: Trump meets Putin in Alaska for Ukraine talks - BBC News
Trump will get totally nothing out of this but false promises...tomorrow Ukraine will get bombarded by drones and air strikes.
Led up the garden path...again...the fool.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2025 9:50 pm 
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Trump always backs his words up.

I'm expecting a bit of positivity from these meetings.

But I still reckon when peace arrives our gas n Leccy bills won't go down.

USA are very lucky to have such a great leader.

Wish he was our Prime Minister.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2025 10:25 pm 
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MutleyRules wrote:
BBC News - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2kzn1n ... tification
Live updates: Trump meets Putin in Alaska for Ukraine talks - BBC News
Trump will get totally nothing out of this but false promises...tomorrow Ukraine will get bombarded by drones and air strikes.
Led up the garden path...again...the fool.


A fool for trying…?
I’d admire anyone trying to end this madness,.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2025 4:30 am 
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Stalemate just as I expected, Putin holds all the ‘Trump’ cards, they met up like they were old pals Putin will never give up,if he does Russia will just rearm and try again.
Some brilliant AI generated clips were on X with the 2 of them unfortunately I can’t find them now, maybe Trumps mate Musk has removed them.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2025 7:27 am 
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Snowy wrote:
MutleyRules wrote:
BBC News - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2kzn1n ... tification
Live updates: Trump meets Putin in Alaska for Ukraine talks - BBC News
Trump will get totally nothing out of this but false promises...tomorrow Ukraine will get bombarded by drones and air strikes.
Led up the garden path...again...the fool.


A fool for trying…?
I’d admire anyone trying to end this madness,.

It's for his own vanity and ego.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2025 10:15 am 
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I reckon they're pretty close to a solution. Between them they've agreed what the future Ukraine will look like and Trump is going to give that message to Zelenski on Monday. Ukraine will lose a fair bit of territory, Russia will withdraw from a little bit, Russia will promise not to invade again and the US will tell Ukraine they'll help with security. Zelenski will have to accept no NATO membership and probably an election within a year so that there's a reversion to a Puppet President elected.
Think he'll also tell Zelenski the alternative is that the US will rein back it's supply of weaponry to them and Russia will increase the offensive. He'll also point out the absolute irrelevance of the EU and the rest of Europe with them being nothing but talking shops.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2025 10:30 am 
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PTID wrote:
I reckon they're pretty close to a solution. Between them they've agreed what the future Ukraine will look like and Trump is going to give that message to Zelenski on Monday. Ukraine will lose a fair bit of territory, Russia will withdraw from a little bit, Russia will promise not to invade again and the US will tell Ukraine they'll help with security. Zelenski will have to accept no NATO membership and probably an election within a year so that there's a reversion to a Puppet President elected.
Think he'll also tell Zelenski the alternative is that the US will rein back it's supply of weaponry to them and Russia will increase the offensive. He'll also point out the absolute irrelevance of the EU and the rest of Europe with them being nothing but talking shops.


I assume you are joking, Russia will not withdraw and promise not to invade again, would you believe Putin if he said that ?Russia goal well Putins is to take over Ukraine and he is not going to give up after losing a million troops.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2025 11:46 am 
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Stage managed shit show for the home countries of them both.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2025 9:20 pm 
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No not joking, I believe what I wrote, doesn't mean I believe Putin will stick to his word.
Trump is getting his mineral rights, Putin will get the territory he wants, and likely a new Ukrainian Puppet President. Trump a step nearer his Nobel Peace Prize.
If Putin had intended to take all of Ukraine he'd have done it by now, or it would have initiated either WW3 or would certainly have involved nuclear weaponry. He's not after the whole country, he wants the key industrial areas and a naval base, and he'll get it.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 11:34 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 11:41 am 
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No where near a solution, Ukraine won’t give up the occupied territory of Ukraine and Putin won’t stop until he reaches Kyiv, as I said he has sacrificed to much to stop now.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 11:53 am 
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Unless his ‘comrades’ have their bank balances depleted by sanctions and decide Putin becomes a liability.
It won’t be defeat on the battlefield that does for him, it’ll be the rouble.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
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bobby lemonade wrote:
Trump is just an American George Reynolds



You mean he's a Loid.......I knew it, just knew it.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 1:08 pm 
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Putin has no intention of going on to Kyiv. Zelensky will be pressured into accepting what Trump and Putin have agreed. Land will be ceded by Ukraine and the biggest winner will be Putin in that he'll keep the territories he wants and the naval base, he's stopped any possible accession of Ukraine into NATO and probably the EU, he's tested the waters and found out that both the EU don't have a coordinated defence plan or capability, and that NATO isn't going to intervene on behalf of non-NATO countries. Trump comes out with mineral rights and the image of being the peacemaker.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
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PTID wrote:
Putin has no intention of going on to Kyiv. Zelensky will be pressured into accepting what Trump and Putin have agreed. Land will be ceded by Ukraine and the biggest winner will be Putin in that he'll keep the territories he wants and the naval base, he's stopped any possible accession of Ukraine into NATO and probably the EU, he's tested the waters and found out that both the EU don't have a coordinated defence plan or capability, and that NATO isn't going to intervene on behalf of non-NATO countries. Trump comes out with mineral rights and the image of being the peacemaker.


Your having a laugh again PTID.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
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derwent wrote:
bobby lemonade wrote:
Trump is just an American George Reynolds



You mean he's a Loid.......I knew it, just knew it.


And a ‘Heskylater’ too…? :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 2:19 pm 
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Unless his ‘comrades’ have their bank balances depleted by sanctions and decide Putin becomes a liability.
It won’t be defeat on the battlefield that does for him, it’ll be the rouble.



I've read that if you are an Oligarch then by definition you are corrupt. Every deal that is made you glean off 10%, it's just how it is and it is accepted BUT, here's the catch. If you step out of line in any way (use your imagination) then charges of corruption follow that can always be proved, and you then become an ex Oligarch.

This is why there is no trouble causing Oligarchs.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
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Jamie, how do you see it playing out then you're obviously not serious about Putin taking Kyiv? And Ukraine sure ain't going to defeat Russia so
there's going to be a diplomatic solution imo and the biggest winner will be Putin.
Zelensky going mob handed with Starmer and the other European leaders will have zero influence on the deal (carve up) agreed between Trump and Putin.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 2:45 pm 
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PTID wrote:
Jamie, how do you see it playing out then you're obviously not serious about Putin taking Kyiv? And Ukraine sure ain't going to defeat Russia so
there's going to be a diplomatic solution imo and the biggest winner will be Putin.
Zelensky going mob handed with Starmer and the other European leaders will have zero influence on the deal (carve up) agreed between Trump and Putin.


Putin won’t rest until Russia becomes like the USSR days pre Gorbachev, your naïve as Chamberlain was before WW2 saying he had an agreement with Hitler.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump and Putin
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He's not even trying to take over the whole of Ukraine let alone World domination. I'm not naive at all, and this is feck all like Hitler and Chamberlain. Putin or his successor may very well pause and go again against either Ukraine or another neighbour, but there will be an end to the present war and it won't be by one side defeating the other by military force.


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