As a fan i just want to be entertained with some hope of success and to be able to go to the pub and say "yes i enjoyed that". I agree with your point and statement "have a football identity and style of play which doesn't change as personnel (managers and players) come and go". If we were to have that and it be expansive play i would be more than happy whatever the result.

going right back to the 50.s and pre cloughie days pools did have a double identity. decent or good at home depending on the season but totally crap looking soft touch away where they seemed just waiting for the inevatable defeat.

Up to the 90’s …..for me, a draw away was great…but a win away was magnificent…easy pleased, but you were when that’s all you had to go by.

I started going away in the early 80s, the first away win I saw was in 1984 when les mutrie got the winner at feethams. Three years to see an away win, trying telling kids that these days

You were lucky. When I were a lad we had to wait three years for a Pools home win!

Heard hes training with Harrogate.
MannyD.

On the net just now.

@JustinHUFC
Emmanuel Dieseruvwe is reportedly set to sign for Rochdale, while Joe Grey is the subject of strong interest from Doncaster Rovers. Meanwhile, there appears to be little activity regarding incoming transfers at Hartlepool United.

Think we are going to sign the trialists.

Really shudder to think who we get up front, my prediction some bloke from a league below who barely made it into double figures, a kid on loan no one has heard of, and some diatribe about how either Folarin or Campbell are tearing it up in training and are like a new signing

I shudder to think how many points we will get next season. Once again a midfield with zero pace is shaping up and a non existent forward line, where it appears rochdale are more attractive than us. What a bloody mess.

Grey, Mancini, mani D Cleary all likely not around next year

A midfield so far where we pick from Hunter,Feather, Miley Sheron and Walker

I know signings still to come etc but we were shite last year and are so much worse currently this year…

How utterly depressing if this is true- giving our two best players to Rochdale and not getting a single penny in return- which other club would let that happen - really hope this is not the case, though suspect it's just matter of time.

This is Pools for you. It won't change until the ownership changes. All the signs are that its unlikely.

@JustinHUFC
Joe Grey ⏳

Likely to finalise move away in coming days. Same as Dieseruvwe.

The Club is an absolute shitfest!!!
Thanks Raj.

you cannot beat the system caused by bosman years ago. this is happening all over the country. the only thing you possibly can blame the club for is not making it look more favourable for players to stay put without breaking the bank to bribe em to stay giving them everything they want.

Of course you can. You negotiate early. We've been historically crap at it. Its far less of a gamble than recruiting new players.

Negotiate early? Mani was offered a new contract in January, and was supposedly a very decent offer. Mani has chosen to see what else is on offer.

Supposedly decent Trouble is we've learnt the lesson late after losing players previously. It also doesn't help that players have encountered first hand that we are a mess of a laughing stock and will not take a lot more work to not have their heads turned.

Let's not forget that Mani came to us for more money, if someone is offering more than we can he'll likely go to them. That's football regardless of what's going on wrt who owns the club.

It happens UNLESS you bother your arse to teethed under contract.

In the long run its cheaper n more effective to keep your better players to build a team around.

We never learn and that's why we are were we are today.
Basic Philosophy ain't rocket science.

The dream of any future success under this regime is dead.
WSO

And you force them to sign a new contract at gunpoint do you? If players want to leave, even mid-contract they tend to get their way.

They leave because the club has zero ambition.

The amount of players who move sideways same division is evident to see.
Amd most leave with glowing adulation to our fans with a heavy heart.
They more or less forced out to save their careers.

The players n fans ain't the Problem here.

It's a lot worse than that.
Ya Rosetinter.

Mani D, The ink is drying on his contract at Rochdale as we speak.

Yep it wouldn't occur to the current regime that if you don't make the club a circus, show some ambition and get on top of renewing contracts, paying players what they're worth, you would stand a chance of retaining players so they don't leave for nowt.

Trees for the Forest springs to mind....and piss-up brewery with the owner.
Just go Raj....you aren't wanted. 63%

Fuck me. It's going to be depressing and confusing watching Mani and Mancini having a field day against our slow midfield and far from convincing defence (so far) when Rochdale come to town.

I've got no problem with Joe going to Donnie as he needed a move and it's a move in the right direction.

Negotiate early? Mani was offered a new contract in January, and was supposedly a very decent offer. Mani has chosen to see what else is on offer.[/quote]

Supposedly decent Trouble is we've learnt the lesson late after losing players previously. It also doesn't help that players have encountered first hand that we are a mess of a laughing stock and will not take a lot more work to not have their heads turned.[/quote]



Supposedly decent - from whose perspective?

DC was offered a contract after getting us promoted - apparently that was shite as well- and his contract discussions went on for months before he managed to wring a few more quid out of Pools.

Maybe if he'd been properly rewarded for achieving the seemingly impossible AND backed sufficiently in the transfer market- and NOT losing the likes of Rhys Oates to Mansfield for the sake of a few quid - he (DC) might not have fucked off at the first half decent opportunity!

Substitute Rhys Oates for Mani and Mansfield for Rochdale and a pattern starts to emerge.
Rhys Oates then won promotion a year or so later, - can see exactly the same happening this time round.

Who can blame Mani for jumping ship?

Which ones going today then?

Pitch forks out if they both go.

Don't think the club will announce either, when the time comes, as they are both free agents and no longer associated with Pools.

Reckon the first we'll hear is when they're both unveiled in they're respective new team colours and scarves

Supposedly decent Trouble is we've learnt the lesson late after losing players previously. It also doesn't help that players have encountered first hand that we are a mess of a laughing stock and will not take a lot more work to not have their heads turned.[/quote]



Supposedly decent - from whose perspective?

DC was offered a contract after getting us promoted - apparently that was shite as well- and his contract discussions went on for months before he managed to wring a few more quid out of Pools.

Maybe if he'd been properly rewarded for achieving the seemingly impossible AND backed sufficiently in the transfer market- and NOT losing the likes of Rhys Oates to Mansfield for the sake of a few quid - he (DC) might not have fucked off at the first half decent opportunity!

Substitute Rhys Oates for Mani and Mansfield for Rochdale and a pattern starts to emerge.
Rhys Oates then won promotion a year or so later, - can see exactly the same happening this time round.

Who can blame Mani for jumping ship?[/quote]
the offer he got would of been at least what he agreed to when he moved for more money from halifax otherwise he would automatically get a free transfer at that moment. might be wrong but i do not think he is the type of player who hangs around at any club and resigns. as for oates going to mansdield. if we,d have bribed him to stay with us there will be many moaning if he had the same injury record with us as he had with them since leaving.

It wouldn't have exactly been bribing Oates to stay- given how good a season he had during the promotion campaign. Secondly you'd never sign anybody with the attitude that they might get injured in future

Bottom line is if Pools wanted to keep Mani, (given his goal every other game record) he'd have signed the contract and would be stopping.

Oates wanted more money and higher level of football, Mansfield could offer both, even if we'd upped the wages offer we couldn't guarantee the div 2 football. Don't forget he signed for Mansfield long before we played at Bristol.

He hadn't signed for Mansfield before the end of the season, I distinctly remember that was not the case. I was at my mates funeral the day after Oates had gone and DC was also present there- clearly fuming that he'd gone for the sake of a few quid.

Armstrong was away, but then he wasn't our player in the first place

Mansfield were also in the same league as us.

Thought he'd agreed to join them before the final, could be wrong. Even so I do remember DC was critical of the player not the club for the manner of his departure. Ironically DC followed him out of the door in a not entirely different way a couple of months later.