Starmer has just finished his address and says the billions announced for Ukraine will be from frozen Russian assets, costing the British taxpayer nothing.
So if an agreement is reached the frozen Russian assets will have to be unfrozen and who’ll pick up the bill..us obviously, as we gave the Russians money away. Doh.

I think the monies lent are to be taken from the interest/profit made from the frozen assets.

That’s the difference.

He really is a fucking liar.

Maybe the WFA could have came from there also.

Wonder if he could let us know just how much there is in assets.
And could he not have filled that black hole the Tories left him holding.

Please refer to first sentance.

Ooohh don't get in the way of the Starmer hate in the Bunker. Even if it is fact.

The frozen assets are the property of the owner of the money and any interest forthcoming must by it’s very nature therefore be the property of the owner…..the money is merely in storage.

What ‘fact’ would that be…. The interest is accrued from the property owner as the interest is earned on the owners property..ie assets.

I'd agree, the interest doesn't belong to the government it belongs to the legitimate owner of the capital. For the government to spend it is theft isn't it?

It's frozen through UN sanctions. They aren't legally entitled. We can use it though.

It may have slipped your mind, but the Russians need to be included to make this work… and a time for negotiations will begin….then we’ll get the bill.
The bloke who does Prime Minister won’t be paying it back, we will.

I thought the freezing of Russian assets were a result of UK sanctions.
I'm not sure the UN could do it as the motions to sanctions would be vetoed by Russia and their allies wouldn't they?

Well in that case it can be used for reparations. There has to be a financial penalty to the aggressor. If the reparation bill is X and they say it won’t be paid, then we can pay X from the monies held and the previously fronted up money could be paid back this way.

The above must be a possibility.

I am not the one who has has the mind slip. The people criticising Zelensky for not making a deal have let the fact that Russia have not talked about one single concession slip theirs. Fuck em. The interest is fair game.

It's not fair game though, it's not all Russian government money that's been frozen. And there's a big difference between frozen and seized.

Perhaps we should have invested badly!

And they can have it back.

£42.50p

You're right. Frozen means no interest. We're giving the interest to Ukraine. Reparations paid in roubles. Love it.

Till it ends up in courts of law then we'll end up paying on the long run.

I really don't think Russia will want to anything to end up in a court.

Starmer.

It's not Russian money some if not most is personal wealth.

Of Russian z-patriot twats. Fuck em.

Starmer.

We’ll see what happens….when it eventually comes about as part of any agreement the news will be buried at midnight on a moonless night.
The Prime Minister impersonator will just look blank…as per normal

It will take years to get any returns from the mineral deposits in Ukraine as all the processes need to be set up to mine it then refine it and then a transportation system.

What…? It’ll take longer than that…. but that’s quite normal in the circumstances of surveying and building new plant ……they’re not after bleedin sea coal.

if it was a more popular country there would be riots on the streets. imagine the uproar if we seized the assets of the west indies or nigeria.

If interest is frozen it means no interest is being paid out, so who’s providing this mythical interest money to give to Ukraine…stop swallowing bullshit, we’re are paying it out.

Also, besides the support package claiming to be paid for from frozen foreign asset interest, wasn't there another couple of billions of government money pledged over the weekend to continue the provision of missiles to Ukraine?
I presume we're borrowing all this extra money from World Banks to effectively lend to Ukraine which will be paid back at 10 bob a week to the Provi man on a Friday? Meanwhile our poorest and most vulnerable are robbed by this shower of warmongering shite.

I was following a U.K. company called Horizonte Minerals who were developing a mine in Brazil to extract nickel, it was being funded through shareholders. Initial cost was £500 million, they did a revaluation around halfway through the project, the cost increased to £1billion, they couldn’t get any more funding, the company is in administration with shareholders no guarantee of getting any back and plant under care and maintenance.
It’s pie in the sky about mining minerals, you don’t just dig it up and ship it out, as I said they have to be processed meaning building a plant costing millions.

Beside the financial impact this war is having, it should be noted that Putin has always said that putting NATO forces into Ukraine would be interpreted as an act of war against Russia by the countries involved.
Trump the peacemaker has consistently said he won't put troops on the ground. Our great leader is basically threatening to go to war with Russia with his commitment to put troops into Ukraine - or are we leaving NATO or going toe to toe with Putin? What will be the cost if we do put troops in their?

Elon is going to Mars, For his.

" what will it cost "
It will costs millions of young lives being lost and potentially the end of the World as we know it. Its total foooking madness just wish others would open their eyes to this crap.

one day they are making us pay through the nose to save the planet. next day they are looking at the possibility of ending it another way. once madmen were sent to an asylum. now they are running countries. the one they called mad was the one who kept peace in his 4 years in the white house. you could not make it up.

Go on Accy lad say it has it is mate it's that simple.

What is it with Labour leaders and warlike chest beating.
Field Marshall Blair invaded the Middle East and I think we can agree that that didn’t work out well.
Now we have Corporal Starmer advocating military action for peace..an oxymoron from an oxymoron if ever I heard one!
He seems to luxuriate in his international rendezvous moments…..how about sorting problems at home first…..if you can drag yourself away from your luvvy circuit that is.

The boagy man Blair never went away though just faded into the back ground and started pulling the levers. Allegedly

Blair went into the Middle East and we all know what happened next.

For those who study this.

This video is from around 2023ish while Biden was in office and before RFK Jr. was affiliated with Donald Trump.

Kennedy explains the Ukraine money laundering scheme and who’s benefiting from it.

https://x.com/Nichole05507742/status/18 ... 2897207515

Always follow the money and ignore the pantomime.

There was a great scene in MASH where Hawkeye suggested the two parties have a drinking competition and the last one standing wins the war.Seems a solution to this one too.

As you say follow the Money.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/general ... r-AA1A4RlI

It's been lovely that we've had relative peace for a while now, so much so that lots of people have become very very complacent. But European leaders know that even though nowt has happened (nowt seismic anyway) it doesn't mean that it wasnt because an awful lot was done and spent. Freedom and security aint free. USA aren't going to take the big share they used to so we are. We've got a long way to go but even the longest journey starts with the first step. So sorry gents, you are going to continue to be kept relatively safe whether you like it or not.

Hardly, I'd say the last couple of weeks have pushed the world closer to the edge. If that's relative safety at work it's extremely concerning. If Trump goes ahead and pulls the plug it's game over for Ukraine, there's no way Europe can react quickly enough or even in a concerted manner to make a real difference.
Starmers rhetoric certainly isn't making the UK a safer place.
We all want to be safe, we also want the truth about where the moneys coming from.

To me, if Trump (not a keen reader of history apparently) pulls out and the war enlarges, then the USA are only going to get pulled back in again - that would be inevitable.

Can't see the USA being too interested in a war in Europe, apart from to make money selling arms and leasing weapons systems, it took Pearl Harbour to rouse them last time around.

Thats all it takes.

These 5000 missiles are part of a package that was agreed in 2024. The first batch are due December 25 and the second batch not until 2027.
Onto manpower, UK have roughly 70,000 serving soldiers and France about 120,000.
If both try to move the lot to western Ukraine I don’t think the UK population or the French population will stand for it.
The Poles have reiterated that they are unwilling to send any troops at all and if you can’t get the poles who have served as a logistical operating base for NATO to join this then the UK and France are making fools of themselves.
Starmer seems to think he’s the new leader of the free world. We’ve had a series of British prime ministers who have all competed for the “Churchill award”
They need to wake up. The future is not the past.

Yep, got to deal with the reality of now then prepare for the future.
Zelensky has said we're a long way from peace and Starmer has said there won't be peace without the US backstop. Well time to accept that without Trump or a peace deal then the only alternative is the Russian total victory over Ukraine.

Regarding that, I read that when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour, Roosevelt wanted to declare war on Germany but couldn’t because he realised the American public wouldn’t approve of it. Germany saved his bacon when Hitler declared war on the US….

Total victory over Ukraine? That IS Trumps peace deal. They can't fight if they're in Russian chains.

It's more likely to be if they insist on fighting and won't engage with peace talks. They're not Iin a position to demand anything are they?

Trump suspends aid to Ukraine Allegedly

Wonder if the chocolate Soldier will tax us to pay for it ?