Does anybody believe this club will ever get anywhere with Raj and his clowns at the helm???

Who appointed Lennie?---why did he appoint him--because the last manager he appointed before him was an incompetent joke--and who was it again who appointed Sarll?--and on and on we go back to Hartley

No the chairman doesnt do everything--but he does pick the manager and set the budget--and that has more of an impact on us than the turnstile operator

Mani D is a classic example of what Pools do best--bring players down a level!
He was excellent last year so what do we do--appoint a hoof ball manager with no idea how to get the best out of our best players to the point of dropping him---he is now close to the end of his contract and knows Pools wont offer him anywhere near what he will get from a conference team with some ambition so its natural that will be on his mind (its a short career)

See Dodds as another example of someone we are dragging down--and Grey as someone else we haven't gotten the best out of and will be gone soon.

It happens as we have no coherent strategy from Raj down! managers with their own different styles, a head of recruitment who clearly doesn't take that into account and a chairman who blames everyone but himself-.

The club is poorly ran and underachieving from top to bottom--not sure how that ever changes under the current chairman--he's had several years and has seemingly learnt nothing.

As I said then if Raj walks tonight the play offs and promotion are in the bag under Lennie??
The obvious change to me now given that Limpdick is supposedly next manager is to remove Lennie from any involvement with the team and let the new bloke have the rest of the season to do what he can and prepare properly for next season. Stick with Lennie and we'll be in a relegation battle soon.
In the meantime we can only hope that someone with bagfuls of money to burn is raring to buy the club and get us on an upward curve. Long shot imo.

No but if Raj walks tonight--a range of possibilities open....will the next lot be successful, maybe maybe not--but it seems obvious the current bloke isn't and its high time he gave someone else a crack IMO

Well that settles it then, someone else's turn, apart from that someone else has to meet his terms. Unless and untill that happens we have to get better on the pitch. Look at the starting midfield today and ask yourself is that the work of a competent manager regardless of the opposition?

No it was a stupid selection from a manager the chairman should never have appointed who has a poor range of options in midfield due to bad recruitment from a rectruiter appointed by the chairman, on a budget set by the chairman.

Appointing managers is one of our strengths as a club. We are bloody great at it. In fact I would have a new one every week, we are so good at it. It could generate a permanent new manager bounce. We should also sell our services to other clubs to choose managers for them. We should sack Lennie, then being him back as a new manager then sack him again. That's the level of trust I have in Raj et al in appointing new managers.

Look we're Halifax are now.

Must have a competent chairman who makes the correct decisions.

And he pays shit wages apparently.

Or he could be a shit chairman but he's got a good manager, was that the case when Challinor got the job?

Stockport have a good chairman n manager.

Glad you agree finally our chairman is shit.

Hard work pal

But we eventually got there in the end

Still clinging onto that fluke? You're a busy bee nowadays being Raj's shit deflector.

He took some convincing like.

Not clinging onto anything, we're in a downward spiral and the quickest way to arrest it is to start picking a team and using tactics s to win games. I don't really care if that means a new chairman arrives and Lennie iraculous turns into a poor man's Schlott or if Lennie moves aside and someone else takes over team responsibilities. Things have to change on the pitch regardless of what's going on I'm the boardroom don't they?

And haven't agreed to anything, I've asked a question that's all.

Thats where the goal came from, He started the move.
When you are Manager/Coach, And a player hits this form, You rest him.

Well Lennie/Limpdick?

Singh is a load.

And NEVER EVER Speaks to the fans, Halifax fans are ignored more that us.

Hello Elton.

A load of what?

Only the braindeaders.
Simple Minds are a quality band.

No comparison.

The league table speaks volumes.
A true reflection of how shit we are

it was more or less over in september but so many fans were expecting a miracle to happen. we blew it big time in the two KO competitions which at least would have given us an alternative to just seeing a season out in the league and listening to the play off bullshit on a weekly basis. fans are not bloody blind or stupid apart from those who believe everything the club says.

and another goal coming from his side of the pitch again. for the life in me i cannot remember the last time he was dropped by numerous managers who seem to rate him much higher than most fans apart from some who sit in front of me with long memories of the days gone by where he put a pinpoint cross over.

Not just Fergy, is Fev really a preferred starter, is Charman a real footballer, is Mani interested anymore?
Also, although Smith has looked decent in the main he should have done better with their goal imo, he went down in installments.
Let's face it, even if we'd nicked the win we looked like a pub team that had been on the lash until just before ko.

at the start of the season sarll said he expected us to see less of fevs as a player and more as a coach. with the two new blokes coming in doe that mean he is doing less coaching and why he now seems to be one of the first names on the team sheet and being less mobile as the years go by. used to rate him when others slagged him off nut like everybody you reach a point where you are past it. for me i have still good memories of the lad and i hate to have to remember him for his present performances. even headless chicken charman can run.

Fev has been the mainstay of lightweight midfields at the club for years. Lennie said in an interview a few weeks back he doesn't need him as a coach, he's got enough of them, but he needs him as a player.
Personally I'd be throwing Miley in there to grow up a bit alongside Sheron, Miley will still be here next year surely we'll have seen the back of Fev by then.
Given that Cleary looks very good, I'd also be tempted to play Parkes at left back we don't need Fergy getting forward so much and that was the best part of his game.
Folarin surely has to be a better option than Charman on the right? And looking at Mani's recent performance it might be worth putting him more central alongside Madine if he's on the pitch

out of the three new signings are folarin and miley our players and cleary a loanee.

Correct.

Lennie appointed himself as manager, as I recall!

Didn't Halifax start again and rise from the ashes or am I totally wrong.

Yes and that was after interviewing everyone else who applied then himself. He decided he was the best candidate for the role.

Trouble is, it takes years to get back to where we already are….and promotion is not guaranteed….a new owner is what we need, full stop.

Didn't Halifax start again and rise from the ashes or am I totally wrong. [/quote]
Trouble is, it takes years to get back to where we already are….and promotion is not guaranteed….a new owner is what we need, full stop.[/quote]


Got to agree Snowy - starting again is not the answer. Saw recently that Bury are in the 9th tier, getting crowds of 3k- can't be much fun though. Whilst that's a good effort from their fans- having part time players who work normal jobs too, limits how fast you can grow as a club. They've recently amalgamated two rival Bury clubs after a lot of grief amongst the fan bases- not a route we want to be going down out of choice.

Trouble is, it takes years to get back to where we already are….and promotion is not guaranteed….a new owner is what we need, full stop.[/quote]


Got to agree Snowy - starting again is not the answer. Saw recently that Bury are in the 9th tier, getting crowds of 3k- can't be much fun though. Whilst that's a good effort from their fans- having part time players who work normal jobs too, limits how fast you can grow as a club. They've recently amalgamated two rival Bury clubs after a lot of grief amongst the fan bases- not a route we want to be going down out of choice.[/quote]

I agree that AIMING to start again isn't the answer but doing nothing cos we're shit scared of it isn't the answer either. Also, we are all kind of working on the assumption that where we are now is a given and that it's sonething that's safe as houses. It ain't.

Got to agree Snowy - starting again is not the answer. Saw recently that Bury are in the 9th tier, getting crowds of 3k- can't be much fun though. Whilst that's a good effort from their fans- having part time players who work normal jobs too, limits how fast you can grow as a club. They've recently amalgamated two rival Bury clubs after a lot of grief amongst the fan bases- not a route we want to be going down out of choice.[/quote]

I agree that AIMING to start again isn't the answer but doing nothing cos we're shit scared of it isn't the answer either. Also, we are all kind of working on the assumption that where we are now is a given and that it's sonething that's safe as houses. It ain't.[/quote]
I’m being selfish too…I don’t want to kick the bucket before we return to the real world…..in fact before we all kick the bucket the way it’s going.

back in the day halifax reformed they did not have to drop down as low starting up as pools or others would have to now. hust because they are a few places above us and can beat ebbsfleet does not make them a success story as their gates show in a similar sized town and the closeness of other teams.

I'm sure the first Reform of a club is no more than 2 divisions below.

I'm sure loan star will update us on that.

I agree that AIMING to start again isn't the answer but doing nothing cos we're shit scared of it isn't the answer either. Also, we are all kind of working on the assumption that where we are now is a given and that it's sonething that's safe as houses. It ain't.[/quote]
I’m being selfish too…I don’t want to kick the bucket before we return to the real world…..in fact before we all kick the bucket the way it’s going.[/quote]

I've often thought that scenario.
Dieing n still being non league.
What an absolute insult.

hate being a non league club but then think that we could easily have been one 60 years ago and we would have been in a worse state than we are now. need to compare workingtons ground now to the one it was when they were in the league to give a clue what the vic would be like now if we had been voted out. porta cabin and temporary bog city i,d guess.

Start again and keep the Vic we’d be back where we are now in 5 or 6 years with people pulling the same direction and some momentum

Stockport were in the wilderness for quite a while. I remember them being relegated from the NL, not sure if they got relegated even lower. Now look at them.

Precisely what I’ve been saying for years. Can you imagine how attractive it would be for top local non league players? How many Northern Premier League players play in front of 3000 a week? We’d fly up the leagues and the feel good would be back along with, as you say, momentum. At the moment it’s death by a thousand cuts and it will not get better. We’ve declined year on year since relegation - why on earth should that change without a sugar daddy?

Fantasy stuff…5 or 6 years if everything clicks into place…people can soon get out of the habit of going over that period…not forgetting local government possible re-organisation and a return to Cleveland County style ownership of assets….and tight times for councils under Starmer…the ground may have more value up for sale, than a very low league club…..especially if the decisions made over the River.
It’s never straightforward.

Nice idea, Trouble is support will drop like a lead balloon (been there), Players will go where the money is.
Best thing that can happen imo, Is the trust keep money people interested Raj will leave at some point and maybe NOT on his terms.

I think everybody will agree that getting the right manager is the key to success. Of course that is easier said than done. How many managers have been given the job because they talked a good talk. Sarll is a prime example. Unfortunately R.S. seems to have the unerring knack of picking duds. Let’s hope our next manager bucks the trend.

Spot on, the covenant on the ground is for the present named club to plat there. The club folds and the covenant is dead. The council would probably see more value in selling the ground for housing development in that case. To imagine 3000 crowds to watch an 8th tier game against Leek Town is fanciful in the extreme. Then as Pools Phoenix we'd need to somehow attract and pay the best part timers available at that level and a manager and hope to progress through the leagues. That isn't a guarantee by any means.
In fact a new owner, even if loaded won't bring instant success, York only just dodged the drop last season. Therefore the higher in the football pyramid we can stay the better.

Spot on, the covenant on the ground is for the present named club to plat there. The club folds and the covenant is dead. The council would probably see more value in selling the ground for housing development in that case".

A total leap backed by nothing concrete. Agenda?

"To imagine 3000 crowds to watch an 8th tier game against Leek Town is fanciful in the extreme. Then as Pools Phoenix we'd need to somehow attract and pay the best part timers available at that level and a manager and hope to progress through the leagues. That isn't a guarantee by any means."

Macclesfield ?. Plus we can build crowds as we build momentum. It isn't nailed on we could get the best part-timers but very likely.

"In fact a new owner, even if loaded won't bring instant success, York only just dodged the drop last season. Therefore the higher in the football pyramid we can stay the better".

They can bring success pretty quickly. Anything will seem a lot quicker than waiting for RS to pull anything off.

In summary, I'll say again, we should not aim for starting again but should not live in fear of it and do nothing. Worse things happen and we are rapidly running out of things to lose in this miserable existence. Our current status on the pyramid is not something rock solid that we can put our arms round and protect by doing nothing. It’s loss is out of our hands and could very well happen anyway.

Well said Pooly_Imp.

I wouldn’t place too much in the covenant….times are a changing and with changes afoot for new planning regs and Council's having to generate more income themselves, it’s gonna be a funny old few years, so we have to hang on to our present status.