Any manager who thinks that squad doesn’t need reinforcements obviously has no ambition or doesn’t care

He’s going through the motions and picking up a bit of extra money that’s it….he won’t be manager next year no matter what so no jeopardy for him

It will be only harder next year so not sure why we seem content to tread water this year….really poor all round from the club

Perhaps he has been told he CAN'T have reinforcements.

More than likely.

Exactly the problem is and has always been Raj. He has been a disaster and sadly will finish the name Hartlepool United Football Club. What next Raj part time

And if he doesn't fuck-off that will be the next thing Leggie...Part-Time.

The problem is the choice of manager and the ultra cautious approach he takes. Don't think Raj picked the team, dictated tactics, made subs, etc
That game was there for the taking but we f*king blew it and ended up being lucky we didn't lose.

What a fooking total mess this club is in now.

Raj doesn't pick the team he picks the shite cheapshit managers. Think we all know why he picked Mr.Burns and it was nothing to do with the right appointment but much more to do with covering the losses of Sarlls salary. He keeps on employing pisspoor managers and then sacks them to be replaced by pisspoor managers.

To a point yes but we also had nothing to change the game. Our bench today was shocking and only gave us options to sit in. We needed to replace mathurin as soon as the window opened but we haven’t got some reason, we’ve since lost 3 attacking players to injury and no one else has come in. We need to strengthen this week

Raj pulls all the strings and has been the consistent factor during all this debacle. Buck stops at the top.

Yes Imp.

So nowt to do with the manager then? Why do clubs bother with employing them when it's all down to the chairman?

Or more likely he’s been told that he can’t bring in reinforcements unless he funds them by offloading existing players. If that means disposing of the few quality players that we have eg Mancini and Grey we may as well call it a day and walk away now. As usual nothing is emanating from the illustrious Chairman, not even static. Fanbase being mushroomed and pissed on yet again.

Probably yeah if changing manager hasn't solved the problems then they obviously lie elsewhere.

Kin'ell.

thats the appeal of Lawrence--a manager trying to make his way in the game would be pushing for new players and making Raj accountable---old Len is done at the end of the year and at the fag end (and then some) of his career so no incentive to rock the boat

If we had any ambition we would give the coach a crack who is taking over next year--we'd at least have the rest of the season to see what he was made of.....we arent going up and arent going down so absolutely no reason to keep Lawrence in charge apart from to give the chairman a quiet life

The immediate problem is with the manager. Do you think changing the chairman would change Lawrence's negative approach, do you not think that probably more than half of the clubs in this league would relish our budget?
Don't forget he did actually get the managerial appointment right once, hand he's the same chairman that was in charge when we got promoted.

Yes Loyal I agree.

I agree, I'd get Lawrence as far away from the team as possible.

Surely Raj cannot keep living on that one and only decent season. How many more years are you prepared to give this man the credit for after the one and only good season.

It's time to stop the scapegoating of managers. We could sign Pep but he'd be out the door on Raj's conveyor belt after a while. That promotion was Raj's broken clock moment. There's only you standing up for him these days PTID. Everyone else has had enough.

I'm not giving him credit, just saying that the bloke got it right once, don't recall everyone slapping him on the back after every win back then, all the credit was going to a bloke called Challinor. Think he was Head Coach or Manager or summat, obviously it wasn't him that should've been getting the credit it should've been Raj?

Simple question, why did we lose 2 points today, managerial decisions or Chairman decisions?
Managers live and die on results and performances, chairmen generally just plod on. City sacked a few before Pep arrived, how many have Man Utd gone through or how many did Abramovich sack at Chelsea?
Another question, have we got the lowest budget in the league?

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. What a bloody mess afterwards though. The new contract fiasco, withholding transfer funds, giving Curle that contract and calling him his best manager ever just to take a swipe at DC, whose team promptly handed our arses to us.

At times like this you could be mistaken for Raj or a family member.

Often wondered.

He (or his board) have got it badly wrong again without doubt, I'm still convinced Lenny thinks it's 2 points for a draw. I'd go along with the suggestion of moving Lawrence out of the picture and letting the guy who's going to do the job next season a go.
It's been quite clear to most of us all season where we are lacking, pace, creativity, support up front for Mani, to name a few areas. Yet our vastly experienced Head Coach doesn't see it?

What, so stating facts makes me a member of his family? Are you disputing anything I'm saying?
Raj will never go down in my memory as being our best or worst chairman.

It really doesn't matter. Raj is still Raj.

And Lennie is still Lennie and we're on the long road to nowhere.

Advocating yet another change of manager to deflect from criticism of Raj. Incredible

I think he's been quite negative in some games but I don't see what else he could've done today. We had nothing to change the game once they started to overrun us in midfield apart from to bring in more defensive midfielders. We are lacking all that you say above but LL either can't or won't bring in the players to fix that, I'm leaning more towards can't after his 'funds being released' comments to Tees.

I've criticised the appointment of Lennie so that's down to Raj and / or the board so what defection?
The biggest misdirection imo is changing a thread that is titled Lawrence Out into one focused on the manager, you must be Lennies love child if you don't think he deserves criticism for today's performance?

What he could've done today was take the shackles off Dodds who rarely crossed the halfway line, similarly Lua Lua who from memory used to be an exciting adventurous attacker but we play him as a wide midfielder who does more running towards our goal than the opposition. Charman should've been hooked as he's clearly not a player suited to NL level. We could've stayed on the front foot instead of sitting back. The guys got hundreds of years of managerial experience but was clueless again today imo.

Lennie has done alright since taking over, not sure what his record is like but barring york and gateshead he has done ok with this team. The problem is and always will be the chairman consistently picking managers on the cheap, then having to change them half way through the season after blowing what budget he has had.

Now the manager will once again be made the scapegoat because he cant bring replacements in. We are treading water, utterly pointless making the play offs because we will get turned over by the first real decent team we play. Might as well write the season off and move onto next, not sure if anything will change apart from possibly having a lively game or two with carlisle instead of some southern team.

Lennie lawrence has been in the game years, he is not an idiot if he could bring 5 players in he would, we have the same problem situation every season, one man is at the root of it. Killing the club bit by bit.

'Used to be' is the operative term. Pools signed two older players with good pedigrees at a much higher level than this. Everyone (me included) thought that Madine was the big risk, but he has come up trumps with his goals. LuaLua has shown nothing, only got a start today because of the injuries to Grey and Mancini and was hooked after 59 minutes.

LL said post-match that there weer funds to bring in a loan player and Pools would be signing an attacker who can go past people.

I'd say it's nailed on LuaLua will be released at the end of this month - that should free up a wage to bring another one in.

True

His career at Pools n Darlo is about 1 decent Manager from 20.
So it's time for him to exit Football.

Surely Lennie’s career prospects have taken a dive after today’s performance. If he’s hoping for a higher division club in the summer I think he’ll be disappointed.

Kin'ell.

1 simple question....who appoints the Manager??
1 more simple question....who appoints the Manager on the cheapest wage possible??
1 last simple question...why do you constantly stick up for Raj Master Singh??

So the injuries to Grey and Mancini are Lennie and Raj's fault?

We had two injuries. TWO. The rot is so deep and the expectations so low that we are making our own excuses for our awful underachievements.

Million dollar questions

It's like talking to the wife, ask a question and I always get a different question in reply, never any answers.
I've already said Raj or his board, or a combination appoint the managers and they're doing a pass awful job. Same as many owners at many other clubs really.
None of us know what salaries we pat the manager so I wouldn't like to guess.
I'm not sticking up for Raj, I'm criticising the architect of the loss of 2 points yesterday and that's the manager.
The chairman is accountable for the state of the club, various others are responsible for their own areas within the club. If team tactics are wrong it's the managers fault, if chips are cold it's the head of hospitality fault, etc.
And don't forget, Raj is accountable to the shareholders and guess what he's the majority shareholder so answers only to himself.

I'm still waiting for answers to my questions but no doubt there'll only be more questions coming.

Nobody is answering your questions because they are asked to try and substantiate a largely moot point. Nobody is ready to jump on your manager scapegoating bandwagon as the real issues with the club are making it less relevant.Indeed it's been tried and tested with quite a few incumbents with the same results.

Nobody can work out why you turn up every time trying to s*** deflect for Raj. There are only a very narrow range of reasons why you would do that.

Not trying to deflect anything from Raj, I'm making comments and asking questions referring to the title thread. The manager f*cked up big style yesterday imo.
Raj and his board have f*cked up royally with the majority of manager appointments there's no getting away from that. But yesterday's capitulation was down to what happened on the pitch and in the dressing room at half time, not in the boardroom.

It all stems from the boardroom. There is no manager out there that's going to turn this club around. We had one flash in the pan break from this cycle and it was snuffed out. Don't expect that again. But hey, we'll push the button on that conveyor belt AGAIN.

I mentioned how weak our subs bench was before the game.

That played a major part in not seeing the game out.
Had we won it would of been a combination of daylight robbery and a Stella performance from our keeper.

As for us so called Doomsters from the few who have zero ambitions.
You are 100% wrong if you think that we enjoy coming on here moaning about how shit we are.


Id Luv to comment after a game and say well done everyone one after an excellent win n performance.

But it's the Chairman Manager Boardroom n Players who stop me doing that.


Like I say the concerned fans don't make these results.
It's 2 wins in a row only once this season.
That's not promotion by the back door of finishing 7th.
Far from it.