That he loved his British born grandmother.?..You obviously haven't been on X today. Do catch up with all of the latest.

And all the so called wars since WW2 caused by who might I ask. " Putin determined to start " You really do need to educate yourself on real World events and stop believing everything the BBC have to say.

There you go again, tbh you are clueless Leggie, what we are talking about is after Trump lost the last presidential defeat not last century and what’s the BBC got to do with it, btw I never watch the BBC only read the footy online on it.

Not been on, does he still want piss weak Farage replaced?

Clueless

Musk is causing chaos in France, Germany as well as here. He's a dangerous buffoon who doesn't check facts. He works from the Ladybird book of politics. After criticising Starmer he was asking the Govt to increase petrol and diesel costs to push peop!e to go electric. Everything he does is for his own gain.

Piss weak, Farage??..You need to keep us with the news.

Starmer's daily bashings by the press getting you down??

Starmer has so far been hopelessly lacking, but poor old Farage was humiliated after calling Musk a hero then being told he’s a wet fanny by his hero.

Weak as Piss ?? Plenty of support for Farage this week,if you haven't already noticed ...Trump will give them both a little dig in January eh

You obviously haven't read any of Elon's attacks on Starmer this week. ...wise man.

Donald and Nigel have both noticed he's been a little feisty recently..

That he loved his British born grandmother.?..You obviously haven't been on X today. Do catch up with all of the latest. [/quote]

Not been on, does he still want piss weak Farage replaced?[/quote]


Piss weak, Farage??..You need to keep us with the news.

Starmer's daily bashings by the press getting you down?? [/quote]

Starmer has so far been hopelessly lacking, but poor old Farage was humiliated after calling Musk a hero then being told he’s a wet fanny by his hero.[/quote]


Weak as Piss ?? Plenty of support for Farage this week,if you haven't already noticed ...Trump will give them both a little dig in January eh

You obviously haven't read any of Elon's attacks on Starmer this week. ...wise man. [/quote]

Why would I give a toss about Starmer, all politicians are nest featherers. The worst is Farage with his flat cap pint, fag, spotless wellies man of the people act. He is a good talker like Blair and Johnson they too had their fanboys.

Not been on, does he still want piss weak Farage replaced?[/quote]


Piss weak, Farage??..You need to keep us with the news.

Starmer's daily bashings by the press getting you down?? [/quote]

Starmer has so far been hopelessly lacking, but poor old Farage was humiliated after calling Musk a hero then being told he’s a wet fanny by his hero.[/quote]


Weak as Piss ?? Plenty of support for Farage this week,if you haven't already noticed


...Trump will give them both a little dig in January eh

You obviously haven't read any of Elon's attacks on Starmer this week. ...wise man. [/quote]

Why would I give a toss about Starmer, all politicians are nest featherers. The worst is Farage with his flat cap pint, fag, spotless wellies man of the people act. He is a good talker like Blair and Johnson they too had their fanboys.[/quote]

I can only think you want more drastic action regarding immigration and the grooming gang scandal issues...Or just a sit on the fence type just waffling on..

We all want action but you seem to want to obsess about it. Maybe not much to do in Sussex I guess.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... ts-wrapper


What a result!! Free speech is well and truly making a comeback ..Nigel looks well chuffed!!

Well get behind Musk then.. ..Obsess? It's a National scandal all over the news,if you haven't noticed..

I blame Mutley for starting the thread...have a pop at him .

Bit nuts this - there have been multiple inquiries, the last being a seven year long process with findings published in 2022. Sunak set up a task force on the back of it. The current government are proposing to actually follow the recommendations of the inquiry with the introduction of new laws. Then however, Musk steps in saying we need another inquiry, which victims and families say is nonsense as they just want action!? What does Musk know about our country and what tangible action is actually finally been taken? Very little is say. He makes zero sense.
Musk then goes on to credit Yaxley-Lennon with uncovering the gangs, which is blatantly untrue when it was media lead, particularly by Channel 4 and Andrew Norton at The Times. What Yaxley-Lennon actually did was jeopardise a major case, which would have spared the scumbags who did the grooming from justice.
Musk is unhinged and should just f-k right off back to his underground lair.

It’s interesting to note that the new laws cover child abuse and grooming, of which over 80% is perpetrated by white men.

Public Enquiries are cash cows and run for years, what do they achieve, at the end of the day only make recommendations after the damage has been done.
The Covid enquiry is still ongoing and will be for months maybe even years, for what just to say we were ill prepared or all the lockdowns weren’t necessary and loads of fiddling with the furlough scheme which Sunak wrote off the supply of faulty PPE and the supply of it.

Trump now talking about taking over Greenland and regaining control of the Panama Canal, Greenland he says it’s for Americas security but it’s for their abundance of natural resources like rare earth which is used in battery production.

https://news.sky.com/story/grooming-gan ... s-13285021


What do you make of this timeline ,Mikey?..What are your thoughts of what Ex Policewoman Maggie Oliver has to say??

A lot of victims were not happy with the inquiries.They want fresh ones.Inquires ran like the Post office scandal one might be a good start eh..

That was one of the article I read yesterday as it happens and is very useful in setting out the facts - Musk could do with reading it. Maggie Oliver bravely blew the whistle on victim blaming back in around 2013. As this article and many others point out, the CPS were actually the first institution to acknowledge the real issues and fundamentally changed their approach. I’ve avoided mentioning Starmer but it is hard not to make the point that he is credited with fundamentally changing attitudes at the CPS, leading to the highest number of convictions there have been for grooming. Since Maggie Oliver’s intervention there have been numerous other injuries, most notably the one I mention above that concluded in 2022. It was an expensive, long but thorough process leading to the laws finally being introduced now. The chair of that report, who obviously knows the victims well, has clearly said the victims want action not another inquiry that will lead to inevitable delays. (Related to that, Robert Jenrick was one person calling for another inquiry yesterday but in government did nothing to act on the findings of the previous inquiry, which is ironic.)

I honestly think Musk might be having some sort of breakdown and is certainly easily influenced by conspiracy theories and not by facts, which your link sets out very well. I read and hear he is now intervening in elections in other countries - if nothing else it’s clickbait and gets interactions up for twitter. He doesn’t really care about victims but he does like making money.

I also agree with Jamie above, what would another very expense inquiry even prove that hasn’t been set out previously?

Musk is just a 19th century robber baron feathering his own nest. Controversy means more money for X. I see Meta are now removing their 'fact checkers ' so we'll see more of this shot going forward.

Heard him described as the world’s biggest pub bore, which seemed about right.

Of course the chair of the previous inquiry doesn't want another inquiry, it might just highlight stuff that was allegedly covered up and not looked into by her, stuff like the institutional decisions made to not rock the boat wrt the great "integration and diversification" project?
Certain decisions were made to keep things under wraps so as not to upset the wider Muslim communities in some areas, allegedly, and these decisions were made at very high level.
It's not just the child abuse issues that need addressing, but also any institutional corruption at government level.
How many inquiries did it take to get to the truth re Hillsborough?

How many councils,Police,Social workers and other authorities actually got prosecuted over failures,to prevent crimes,and then cover it all up ?

Expensive to open fresh inquiries ,Mikey ?? wtf!!

How many towns are on the list now,over 50 i believe..

I recently read an article arguing that multiple marriages and sharia courts were now common within the UK and a blind eye was being turned by the Government: true or false? With the absence of fact checking one cannot say for certain, but, I fear that there is some truth to this and we have a bleak future to look forward to - unless MPs such as Tulip Siddiq can come to the rescue. Oh, hold on...............

still feel that the authorities did as little as the could to stamp the situation out by not wanting to rock the boat on race relations in those towns. think we all know what the outcome would have been if it was white gangs grooming and raping those of mainly pakistani heritage. anyone involved would be lucky to escape the full force of the law with none getting out early no matter what the prison numbers are. as i have said before their offence was the same in their old country as it is here so they cannot play the different laws and culture card as a defence. labour was once the party for the poor, but seem quite happy to ignore lasses from poorer backgrounds who have suffered the most. hust feel what this government are doing on the subject will be more about public opinion pushing them as a real desire to toughen up.

Mmmmmmm decisions decisions...who do I believe about all this...Prof Alexis Jay and Starmer...or these experts on the bunker??

So everything that comes out of Starmers mouth is the truth, my word how naive!

Did I actually say that?

Did I say that you did???

You crank.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp836w074gko


Maybe you need to stop reading The Guardian and BBC news,Mutley..cause delays. The public are onto now.It's not going to go away.

well i certainly would question anybody more who has a vested interest in any decisions made from any side of any debate especially a politician.

He's knacked now Starmer..finished!!!..Only a matter of time.

the main thing is we cannot turn the clock back but can certainly learn the lessons from the past. there are laws in place and should be used with the courts to give the maximum jail sentances and deportations. surely no matter which party you support if you do not agree with that you need some sort of medical help.

so if he is and goes what real difference will that make. did getting rid of johnson make things different with the tory party. too much concentration now on party leaders themselves rather than the party they lead and what they are doing. he is still only a party leader not some dictator.

Not aiming this comment at you at all but more broadly, it seems plenty of people distrust politicians (and not without merit) but willingly, unquestioningly jump on tweets by Musk as being fact while ignoring the facts of the matter.

Everything people say about grooming gangs, being scared of offending communities, not prosecuting cases etc. is true, and this goes back to 2001 if not before. However, there have been numerous investigations, initially institution were reluctant to engage but more recent investigations/inquiries, certainly in the last ten years have resulted in a far better understanding of the situation, a completely different approach from the CPS and police, and ultimately there have been thousands and thousands of convictions.

And of course there is more to do, especially with the 80%+ of cases that involve white men - it is a disgrace that the government throughout the last ten years has failed to act on the findings, until Sunak finally set up a task force. Even that is vague though and it is only in the last Queen Speech, that actual real, tangible laws were proposed. All that makes the timing of Musk's ill-conceived tweets even more weird - as I said before, it seems more about him than any victims.

A sensible post!

I read neither.

you would not mind if the country he is living in has as many problems as the country,s politicians he is constantly cricises. ours might be seen as poor with poor leaders but at least our choices were no worse than biden or trump. i,d say keep your nose elon out of out country and concentrate on the land of the free and its ills.

Prof Jay - "people should get on with implementing reforms" and also "We've had enough of inquiries, consultations and discussions - especially for the victims and survivors who've had the courage to come forward."

Maggie Oliver - "I would also argue that we fully know what the problem is and the time is for action."

Musk knows better though.

if everybody ignored him he,d just go away and shove his nose in another country,s problems. this country has an absolute love of anybody who has celebrity status but would laugh their tits off if a workmate came out with the exact same words.

Yeah I'll start getting all my info from a megalomaniac lunatic narcissistic billionaire and off social media. Cheers Sussex.

Musk was horrified by what he read and he just got the ball rolling again on what Maggie Oliver has been saying for years.Has anybody in authority took much notice until now.?

Musk is allowed his say as much as the next man. Much of what he says is absolute bullshit.
However it's clear that there's more to the grooming gang issue than has been released or even investigated so far. Certainly implementation of the inquiry recommendations should be a high priority. But there'd be no harm, and probably a lot to gain from a deeper dive into motivation behind the actions of certain individuals who were complicit in keeping a lid on the underlying causes. Sir Keir was going to clear up the sleaze around British politics, well here's an opportunity to do that.

Eh?? What the fuck has anything in this country got to do with the billionaire drug addict lunatic??

I was going to say, well yeah, he can say what he likes but to be fair I prefer your take!

So are people only aloud to comment on their own isolated areas of concern? If Musk was tearing into the Torys you'd be lauding him to the skies. Forget about Musk and think of the issue under discussion rather than personalities.

You obviously don't think the motivation and actions were covered in the last inquiry and a number previous? Why or how are you so certain the points you raise aren't covered though?

Except it's only become an issue again because of Musk. Badenoch wouldn't have raised it at PMQs today otherwise would she.