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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:37 pm 
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Maybe but he was offered a contract to play Div 1 football for a Southern based club so doubt he's on buttons.

Whatever Pools are paying him.
It's about time he started earning his wages.
Been a major dissapoint so far.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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One or two on here reckon we only pay buttons.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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We are where we are due to poor management imo, we could and should have more points on the board but for Sarlls insistence on playing kick and rush football. He was so incompetent he was leaving one of the best strikers in the league on the bench ffs. So truth be told we probably are in a false position.


Also, some clown keeps appointing poor managers or his cack handed minions do it on his behalf.

I agree that this team would have more points on the board if someone half decent had been in charge.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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PTID wrote:
We are where we are due to poor management imo, we could and should have more points on the board but for Sarlls insistence on playing kick and rush football. He was so incompetent he was leaving one of the best strikers in the league on the bench ffs. So truth be told we probably are in a false position.



100% accurate

Also the wage bill my guess is well into the top half of the league and possibly top 6. Reality is that Raj has provided the club a budget to compete but over and over there has been a failure of coaching/management. Is Raj to blame for everything, i dont think any of us can claim that.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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RobbieE1 wrote:
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We are where we are due to poor management imo, we could and should have more points on the board but for Sarlls insistence on playing kick and rush football. He was so incompetent he was leaving one of the best strikers in the league on the bench ffs. So truth be told we probably are in a false position.



100% accurate

Also the wage bill my guess is well into the top half of the league and possibly top 6. Reality is that Raj has provided the club a budget to compete but over and over there has been a failure of coaching/management. Is Raj to blame for everything, i dont think any of us can

Well no it's not like he is to blame for everything. Must be our other chairman who keeps making poor decisions or appointing inappropriate people to make them on his behalf.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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Not sure it's as simple as that. Personally I think he's trying to run the club with the same model that top tier clubs have but it's totally disjointed and hasn't worked.
Director of football at a div 5 football club, is it necessary and what does the role entail? Head of recruitment bringing in his players for a manager / coach to try and build a team with, why not just have a manager and a couple of scouts who report directly to the manager?
From the outside it would make sense to simplify things and just have a Chief Operating Ifficer for all non footballing matters and have a manager in charge of all things football related.
We're set up to make things difficult for any manager imo and it's not working.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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Not sure it's as simple as that. Personally I think he's trying to run the club with the same model that top tier clubs have but it's totally disjointed and hasn't worked.
Director of football at a div 5 football club, is it necessary and what does the role entail? Head of recruitment bringing in his players for a manager / coach to try and build a team with, why not just have a manager and a couple of scouts who report directly to the manager?
From the outside it would make sense to simplify things and just have a Chief Operating Ifficer for all non footballing matters and have a manager in charge of all things football related.
We're set up to make things difficult for any manager imo and it's not working.


And that's just your quick observations from the outside. Imagine in addition to that you had the benefit of having multiple seasons as chair and a previous stint as an owner, all to learn lessons from. Imagine if there were numerous thriving clubs of our size round the country to emulate. Imagine being in a position where you can employ someone competent to run the club properly and were not forced to pluck random from the terraces and have them make high level decisions?


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And that's just your quick observations from the outside. Imagine in addition to that you had the benefit of having multiple seasons as chair and a previous stint as an owner, all to learn lessons from. Imagine if there were numerous thriving clubs of our size round the country to emulate. Imagine being in a position where you can employ someone competent to run the club properly and were not forced to pluck random from the terraces and have them make high level decisions?


Imagine there's no Rink End.

And no Mill House too.

Nothing to see but care homes.

It isn't hard to do...


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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It's about time he started earning his wages.





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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 10:25 am 
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Johnjo1 wrote:
You get what you pay for. Wilson like Turner were backed with IOR money. I understood that some of the players were on £2K plus a week then, that’s why we had better players.

that maybe true, but you can sign better players who just do not come off. its no guarentee. one right signing could easily transform this team where a bad one on big money could have the opposite affect.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 10:33 am 
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PTID wrote:
Not sure it's as simple as that. Personally I think he's trying to run the club with the same model that top tier clubs have but it's totally disjointed and hasn't worked.
Director of football at a div 5 football club, is it necessary and what does the role entail? Head of recruitment bringing in his players for a manager / coach to try and build a team with, why not just have a manager and a couple of scouts who report directly to the manager?
From the outside it would make sense to simplify things and just have a Chief Operating Ifficer for all non footballing matters and have a manager in charge of all things football related.
We're set up to make things difficult for any manager imo and it's not working.

lots of those people have fancy modern names for jobs previously that the club had. once clubs had club secretaries. chief scouts etc but thats less rock and roll.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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Pooly_Imp wrote:
RobbieE1 wrote:
PTID wrote:
We are where we are due to poor management imo, we could and should have more points on the board but for Sarlls insistence on playing kick and rush football. He was so incompetent he was leaving one of the best strikers in the league on the bench ffs. So truth be told we probably are in a false position.



100% accurate

Also the wage bill my guess is well into the top half of the league and possibly top 6. Reality is that Raj has provided the club a budget to compete but over and over there has been a failure of coaching/management. Is Raj to blame for everything, i dont think any of us can

Well no it's not like he is to blame for everything. Must be our other chairman who keeps making poor decisions or appointing inappropriate people to make them on his behalf.

big question i ask myself is would i have made the same mistakes in recruitment that raj has made at the outset. possibly yes as its easy to criticise when these do not come off. nobody knew that any of them would be disasters and there wasn,t much moaning on here about their appointments when it happened initially.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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Kenny Bottles wrote:
Pooly_Imp wrote:

And that's just your quick observations from the outside. Imagine in addition to that you had the benefit of having multiple seasons as chair and a previous stint as an owner, all to learn lessons from. Imagine if there were numerous thriving clubs of our size round the country to emulate. Imagine being in a position where you can employ someone competent to run the club properly and were not forced to pluck random from the terraces and have them make high level decisions?


Imagine there's no Rink End.

And no Mill House too.

Nothing to see but care homes.

It isn't hard to do...


Might still end up as one massive granny-farm.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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Pooly_Imp wrote:
RobbieE1 wrote:
PTID wrote:
We are where we are due to poor management imo, we could and should have more points on the board but for Sarlls insistence on playing kick and rush football. He was so incompetent he was leaving one of the best strikers in the league on the bench ffs. So truth be told we probably are in a false position.



100% accurate

Also the wage bill my guess is well into the top half of the league and possibly top 6. Reality is that Raj has provided the club a budget to compete but over and over there has been a failure of coaching/management. Is Raj to blame for everything, i dont think any of us can

Well no it's not like he is to blame for everything. Must be our other chairman who keeps making poor decisions or appointing inappropriate people to make them on his behalf.

big question i ask myself is would i have made the same mistakes in recruitment that raj has made at the outset. possibly yes as its easy to criticise when these do not come off. nobody knew that any of them would be disasters and there wasn,t much moaning on here about their appointments when it happened initially.


There was concern. I think it was muted by a naive disbelief that a professional football club could get managerial recruitment so wrong (we know better now). In here we were urged to 'wait and see' and 'give him a chance', so by and large, despite misgivings they did. And who could say that those people calling for patience were wrong? Of course you have to give a new boss a change despite your own uncertainty.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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Unless there is some serious investment in Pools, new owners as Singh doesn’t have the funds they will languish in the National League, the majority if not all our players we sign are free agents not deemed good enough at their previous club.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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Charman was offered a new deal by his previous club, so was Campbell, and so was Hunter I think, Sheron was signed for a fee, so not sure about the last bit of your post?


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Unless there is some serious investment in Pools, new owners as Singh doesn’t have the funds they will languish in the National League, the majority if not all our players we sign are free agents not deemed good enough at their previous club.

That statement Jamie will apply to 90% of the clubs in this league…..your positivity is what keeps me going.

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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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PTID wrote:
Charman was offered a new deal by his previous club, so was Campbell, and so was Hunter I think, Sheron was signed for a fee, so not sure about the last bit of your post?

and you can look at a lot of the others we have signed over the last few seasons where on paper they looked good signings. even hastie was and nobody shouted oh no not him at the time and you could add our mate fondop to that. it would be great to sign a few players who would put playing at pools was where they showed the best form of their careers instead of being dissapointments.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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Jamie1952 wrote:
Unless there is some serious investment in Pools, new owners as Singh doesn’t have the funds they will languish in the National League, the majority if not all our players we sign are free agents not deemed good enough at their previous club.


The squad was not a finished article and isn't as good as many believe. A couple of good signings on paper, some pretty standard steady NL lads and some rushed trialists. It is defo the best squad for ages but that speaks volumes about what we have had to put up with.

Still I think we will pick up some more points now. Looking forward to it.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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Pooly_Imp wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Unless there is some serious investment in Pools, new owners as Singh doesn’t have the funds they will languish in the National League, the majority if not all our players we sign are free agents not deemed good enough at their previous club.


The squad was not a finished article and isn't as good as many believe. A couple of good signings on paper, some pretty standard steady NL lads and some rushed trialists. It is defo the best squad for ages but that speaks volumes about what we have had to put up with.

Still I think we will pick up some more points now. Looking forward to it.

if the two new lads are half decent it might mean that the starting 11 doesn,t pick itself. can say the same with the bench. players vary, but its not good for some when they know quite well they,ll be in the side no matter what their form is.


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On paper and judged by career histories our squad was much better than Yorks last week, means absolutely nothing.
The value of any player has to be in terms of what they do on the pitch, not how much they cost / earn, what they've done at other clubs, or what they'll do in the future.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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On paper and judged by career histories our squad was much better than Yorks last week, means absolutely nothing.
The value of any player has to be in terms of what they do on the pitch, not how much they cost / earn, what they've done at other clubs, or what they'll do in the future.

trouble is with fans many have pre determined views on the players and the game. must be good as they did something somewhere else before. he,s a young lad so it going to make mistakes. a local lad who is bound to give it all because of that. how many times have these generalisation cropped up regarding players over the years and they have been proved dead wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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PTID wrote:
On paper and judged by career histories our squad was much better than Yorks last week, means absolutely nothing.
The value of any player has to be in terms of what they do on the pitch, not how much they cost / earn, what they've done at other clubs, or what they'll do in the future.


Got to agree.
Sadly most of our signings go from decent to shite in an instance.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
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PTID wrote:
On paper and judged by career histories our squad was much better than Yorks last week, means absolutely nothing.
The value of any player has to be in terms of what they do on the pitch, not how much they cost / earn, what they've done at other clubs, or what they'll do in the future.


The difference us York bought players on the way up (they could afford it, we could not) and we had to gamble on players coming good. The folks running their club didn't cock up recruitment either, that's cost us a lot of points.

I've done it loads of times myself, looked up our signings on YouTube, watched them obliterate opposition and looked forward to them doing it for us. Everybody knows how often that hasn't materialised. Doesn't mean it won't ever happen though!


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 Post subject: Re: Next season WE ARE FUCKED
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2024 9:47 am 
Next season?? We are fucked this season!!


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Next season?? We are fucked this season!!


Stop telling it how it is.
Ya will offend the lunatics. bbolt :lol:


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True. :laugh: :laugh:


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