Tory Leadership Election

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3863

Look toward Sweden, one of the most liberal and tolerant nations in the world, and the impact immigration has had there. They were rioting nearly 10 years ago over mass and uncontrolled immigration as they saw law and order collapsing as crime rose exponentially and mainly by immigrants.
The most advanced (arguable) nations are being overwhelmed by intrusive and disruptive elements and falling living standards are the result.
I am not racist in the slightest, but I firmly believe that if I go to a foreign country I need to behave according to the rule and laws of my hosts. Surely to expect others to do the same is not too much to ask?

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2515

MutleyRules wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

Those who follow Islam are called Muslims.

Muslims are not a race, hence saying remove the muslims is not a racist remark!

Stocksfield....stand on a soapbox in the middle of York Road shouting......

All Muslims should be removed from the UK, every single one of them.

......over and over. What do you think will happen and how long do you think you'd be doing it for?

About a million times more likely to get hit by a car on York Road than be attacked by a terrorist. Bloody motorists. Send em all to Rwanda.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:26 am

I agree. Also if a legal or illegal immigrant commits a 'serious' crime in this country whitin say 10 years of being here and is found guilty in this Country he/she should be deported to their own Country to spend their sentence there with us paying for their stay in Prison. (Probably cheaper than them been in prison here.)
And never be allowed to claim asylum again.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3863

Try burning a bible at the doors of St Hildas church on the headland then go and try burning a copy of the Koran at the mosque and see the difference in reaction by the offended and police.
Go about it the other way and you wouldn't even get to the headland, you'd be in hospital, the morgue, or police cells.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18786

Jamie1952 wrote:

PTID wrote:

I'm advocating that Britain retains its Britishness. I'm advocating that we call these folk arriving by boat what they are, law breakers, they are not fleeing from France due to persecution they're after being better looked after by Us the UK taxpayers than by France. If they're truly asylum seekers there are legal ways of claiming.
I'm advocating that these arrivals are securely detained until they have been fully processed, as most other countries do. Try arriving illegally into the US and see if they lock you up or put you up in a hotel while they figure out what they'll do with you.
I'm advocating that we retain our British way of life and if people want to come here they integrate into our way of life rather than expecting us to change to accommodate a minority. Again as has been said many times go to Saudi and openly engage in homosexual activity then before they behead you you can try to persuade them to change Sharia Law to legalise homosexuality on the basis that where you come from it's tolerated and legal, that should stop the sword mid swing I'd imagine.

Great read but in fairness the Britishness has long gone, there is no integration contrary to what politicians say. Every town/city has its own communities now wether it be Muslim, black white or otherwise, they have their own shops and supermarkets as well.

worst thing is the use of the word community. its only used for a section of the community and not the whole community in the area they are on about. got to remember you can enter any political affiliated club no matter gow you vote but unless there is an open day you,ll not be welcome in a muslim associated building even if its not a mosque.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18786

PTID wrote:

Try burning a bible at the doors of St Hildas church on the headland then go and try burning a copy of the Koran at the mosque and see the difference in reaction by the offended and police.
Go about it the other way and you wouldn't even get to the headland, you'd be in hospital, the morgue, or police cells.

one turns the other cheek. the other would turn a knife given the opportunity.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18786

PTID wrote:

I'm advocating that Britain retains its Britishness. I'm advocating that we call these folk arriving by boat what they are, law breakers, they are not fleeing from France due to persecution they're after being better looked after by Us the UK taxpayers than by France. If they're truly asylum seekers there are legal ways of claiming.
I'm advocating that these arrivals are securely detained until they have been fully processed, as most other countries do. Try arriving illegally into the US and see if they lock you up or put you up in a hotel while they figure out what they'll do with you.
I'm advocating that we retain our British way of life and if people want to come here they integrate into our way of life rather than expecting us to change to accommodate a minority. Again as has been said many times go to Saudi and openly engage in homosexual activity then before they behead you you can try to persuade them to change Sharia Law to legalise homosexuality on the basis that where you come from it's tolerated and legal, that should stop the sword mid swing I'd imagine.

a couple of points firstly what is britishness anymore. is it the one shown in pre war travel films or pictures of the town in the 50,s. time moves on and changes are all around us we would not recognise as kids. as for muslims and their hatred of homosexuality. there were a number of them who worked with me where i was persuaded to go out with them to a local gay bar. the big shock was the high percentage of brown faces inside the place who must have been muslim as there was a greater proportion in tha town over a few hindu and sikhs. a real case of being hypocrates if there ever was one.

Stocksfield_Poolie · **Joined:** Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:29 pm **Posts:** 917

MutleyRules wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

Those who follow Islam are called Muslims.

Muslims are not a race, hence saying remove the muslims is not a racist remark!

Stocksfield....stand on a soapbox in the middle of York Road shouting......

All Muslims should be removed from the UK, every single one of them.

......over and over. What do you think will happen and how long do you think you'd be doing it for?

As this country promotes free speech, then for as long as I want to and I would expect support from the indigenous people of Hartlepool.

My question to you, what would happen if a Muslim stood up in York Road and told everyone that Muslims will eventually take over Hartlepool and Sharia law would be introduced?

Yes free speech is allowed but I bet I would last longer than the Muslim if we both voiced our views in York Road.

Stocksfield_Poolie · **Joined:** Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:29 pm **Posts:** 917

Mutley, I like your phrase "he/she should be deported to their own Country".
If they have their "own Country" then what the hell are they doing in our country in the first place!!!!!!!

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18786

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

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As this country promotes free speech, then for as long as I want to and I would expect support from the indigenous people of Hartlepool.

My question to you, what would happen if a Muslim stood up in York Road and told everyone that Muslims will eventually take over Hartlepool and Sharia law would be introduced?

Yes free speech is allowed but I bet I would last longer than the Muslim if we both voiced our views in York Road.

free speech has always been fine but certainly not liked by many if your point of view differs from there one. now its got worse to the point of having a two tier points of view like many subjects now. one seems to be allowed whiltst others are shut down. a few years ago that was supposed to be for the common good but now seems those had a legitimate point of view. yes you can have free speech and it will never be taken away from you as long as you follow the present narative of the day and not rock the boat too much.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3709

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

Mutley, I like your phrase "he/she should be deported to their own Country".
If they have their "own Country" then what the hell are they doing in our country in the first place!!!!!!!

Yeah, funny how Moslems all want to come to Western Europe. They dont want to migrate to other Moslem countries do they? A bit of a puzzle.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2515

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

Mutley, I like your phrase "he/she should be deported to their own Country".
If they have their "own Country" then what the hell are they doing in our country in the first place!!!!!!!

Yeah, funny how Moslems all want to come to Western Europe. They dont want to migrate to other Moslem countries do they? A bit of a puzzle.

What's being Muslim got to do with being afraid of the taliban for example?

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 6995

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

Mutley, I like your phrase "he/she should be deported to their own Country".
If they have their "own Country" then what the hell are they doing in our country in the first place!!!!!!!

There a few British born white Muslims, Cat Stevens for one the singer converted to Muslim changed his name to Yusef Islam, what country would you deport him to ?

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18786

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

Mutley, I like your phrase "he/she should be deported to their own Country".
If they have their "own Country" then what the hell are they doing in our country in the first place!!!!!!!

Yeah, funny how Moslems all want to come to Western Europe. They dont want to migrate to other Moslem countries do they? A bit of a puzzle.

since the days of ronnie biggs nobody seems interested in going to south america. every country there must either be difficult to enter or real hells on earth. surely there is more room there than in an over populated west of europe and the football aint that bad either but a hell of a lot of catholics though. surely there is space for a corner shop, a takeaway and a barbers in machu pichu.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18786

Jamie1952 wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

Mutley, I like your phrase "he/she should be deported to their own Country".
If they have their "own Country" then what the hell are they doing in our country in the first place!!!!!!!

There a few British born white Muslims, Cat Stevens for one the singer converted to Muslim changed his name to Yusef Islam, what country would you deport him to ?

years back would we have told mohammed ali where to go. who gave a toss when he wasn,t casius clay anymore.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3709

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

Mutley, I like your phrase "he/she should be deported to their own Country".
If they have their "own Country" then what the hell are they doing in our country in the first place!!!!!!!

Yeah, funny how Moslems all want to come to Western Europe. They dont want to migrate to other Moslem countries do they? A bit of a puzzle.

What's being Muslim got to do with being afraid of the taliban for example?

There are a number of Moslem countries to choose from, they dont have to go to Afghanistan, a prime example of the worst extremes of Islam.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3709

accrington fan wrote:

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

Mutley, I like your phrase "he/she should be deported to their own Country".
If they have their "own Country" then what the hell are they doing in our country in the first place!!!!!!!

Yeah, funny how Moslems all want to come to Western Europe. They dont want to migrate to other Moslem countries do they? A bit of a puzzle.

since the days of ronnie biggs nobody seems interested in going to south america. every country there must either be difficult to enter or real hells on earth. surely there is more room there than in an over populated west of europe and the football aint that bad either but a hell of a lot of catholics though. surely there is space for a corner shop, a takeaway and a barbers in machu pichu.

Simples: not enough free stuff. When Biggs was there he had the proceeds of the train robbery to live a comfortable life. I suspect, if you arrived in one of the South American countries in a small boat and claimed you were fleeing from war and persecution you would not get the welcome our wonderful government provides our ever growing numbers of boat people.

Stocksfield_Poolie · **Joined:** Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:29 pm **Posts:** 917

Muslims plan to take over Western Europe and they are doing a very good job of it!

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

Mutley, I like your phrase "he/she should be deported to their own Country".
If they have their "own Country" then what the hell are they doing in our country in the first place!!!!!!!

Yeah, funny how Moslems all want to come to Western Europe. They dont want to migrate to other Moslem countries do they? A bit of a puzzle.

What's being Muslim got to do with being afraid of the taliban for example?

Ah well there is a conundrum. Why would any good Muslim be afraid of the Taliban.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3441

MutleyRules wrote:

I agree. Also if a legal or illegal immigrant commits a 'serious' crime in this country whitin say 10 years of being here and is found guilty in this Country he/she should be deported to their own Country to spend their sentence there with us paying for their stay in Prison. (Probably cheaper than them been in prison here.)
And never be allowed to claim asylum again.

Plenty here now with multiple convictions for serious offences and they've been here only a few years..It's just not going to happen.It you looked online it would take you weeks to read through all the cases.

Stocksfield_Poolie · **Joined:** Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:29 pm **Posts:** 917

A lot of our prisons house Muslims so much so that they are over-represented. 15% of the prison population are Muslim.
And in some prisons, over 1/2 of the prisoners are Muslim.
And some of our prisons are run by Muslim gangs, 'Convert or get hurt" being their motto!

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2515

derwent wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

Mutley, I like your phrase "he/she should be deported to their own Country".
If they have their "own Country" then what the hell are they doing in our country in the first place!!!!!!!

Yeah, funny how Moslems all want to come to Western Europe. They dont want to migrate to other Moslem countries do they? A bit of a puzzle.

What's being Muslim got to do with being afraid of the taliban for example?

Ah well there is a conundrum. Why would any good Muslim be afraid of the Taliban.

I think you're going off piste a bit old chap.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2515

Until we start treating people as individuals which some people are determined not to do (think it's called bigotry) then we are screwed.

Stocksfield_Poolie · **Joined:** Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:29 pm **Posts:** 917

I'll treat every Muslim as an individual, a ticket back to a Muslim country!

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

Pooly_Imp wrote:

derwent wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

Mutley, I like your phrase "he/she should be deported to their own Country".
If they have their "own Country" then what the hell are they doing in our country in the first place!!!!!!!

Yeah, funny how Moslems all want to come to Western Europe. They dont want to migrate to other Moslem countries do they? A bit of a puzzle.

What's being Muslim got to do with being afraid of the taliban for example?

Ah well there is a conundrum. Why would any good Muslim be afraid of the Taliban.

I think you're going off piste a bit old chap.

Or maybe my comment is a bit too subtle for you.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Until we start treating people as individuals which some people are determined not to do (think it's called bigotry) then we are screwed.

If we were dealing with just individuals that would be easy but we are dealing with potential hordes so we have no choice on that score (that's called common sense).
You are right to suggest we are screwed however.

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Sun Nov 03, 2024 2:24 pm

The only conservative that has any credibility with the voters is Ben Houchen.
Watch this space!

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2515

derwent wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Until we start treating people as individuals which some people are determined not to do (think it's called bigotry) then we are screwed.

If we were dealing with just individuals that would be easy but we are dealing with potential hordes so we have no choice on that score (that's called common sense).
You are right to suggest we are screwed however.

You do know that the entire population of the world is made up of individuals right?

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2515

"Or maybe my comment is a bit too subtle for you. "

No it just makes it sound like you know bugger all about the taliban which surely can't be the case.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sun Nov 03, 2024 3:47 pm

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

MutleyRules wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

Those who follow Islam are called Muslims.

Muslims are not a race, hence saying remove the muslims is not a racist remark!

Stocksfield....stand on a soapbox in the middle of York Road shouting......

All Muslims should be removed from the UK, every single one of them.

......over and over. What do you think will happen and how long do you think you'd be doing it for?

As this country promotes free speech, then for as long as I want to and I would expect support from the indigenous people of Hartlepool.

My question to you, what would happen if a Muslim stood up in York Road and told everyone that Muslims will eventually take over Hartlepool and Sharia law would be introduced?

Yes free speech is allowed but I bet I would last longer than the Muslim if we both voiced our views in York Road.

Well he'd get laughed at by me for a start. Not sure what others would do.
Yes Free Speech but not Hate Speech....you'd be locked up before you could say....Knickers, Nackers, Knockers!!!

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sun Nov 03, 2024 3:49 pm

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

Mutley, I like your phrase "he/she should be deported to their own Country".
If they have their "own Country" then what the hell are they doing in our country in the first place!!!!!!!

Dunno....maybe they like it here. [shrugsshoulders]

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sun Nov 03, 2024 3:51 pm

accrington fan wrote:

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

Mutley, I like your phrase "he/she should be deported to their own Country".
If they have their "own Country" then what the hell are they doing in our country in the first place!!!!!!!

Yeah, funny how Moslems all want to come to Western Europe. They dont want to migrate to other Moslem countries do they? A bit of a puzzle.

since the days of ronnie biggs nobody seems interested in going to south america. every country there must either be difficult to enter or real hells on earth. surely there is more room there than in an over populated west of europe and the football aint that bad either but a hell of a lot of catholics though. surely there is space for a corner shop, a takeaway and a barbers in machu pichu.

John Darwin went there...or is Panama Central America??

Stocksfield_Poolie · **Joined:** Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:29 pm **Posts:** 917

Mutley, when did you convert to Islam?

Stocksfield_Poolie · **Joined:** Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:29 pm **Posts:** 917

I cannot believe that people are quite happy for town and cities in England to be slowly taken over by Muslims.
They will totally destroy our England and take away all of our customs and heritage.
If you cannot see what is happening, then what is the point, you deserve all you get!

Stocksfield_Poolie · **Joined:** Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:29 pm **Posts:** 917

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-68446855

And remember the BBC highlighted this family in a programme showing how wonderful it was for Syrian muslims to be moving to Newcastle and did so again in another programme after the rape allegations.

Scum like this should not be in our country!

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

Pooly_Imp wrote:

"Or maybe my comment is a bit too subtle for you. "

No it just makes it sound like you know bugger all about the taliban which surely can't be the case.

So you are an authority on them?????? Well that being the case you ought to know how evil they are but are still hell bent on turning a blind eye that their ilk want to rule the western world.
Surely that can't be the case.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

Pooly_Imp wrote:

derwent wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Until we start treating people as individuals which some people are determined not to do (think it's called bigotry) then we are screwed.

If we were dealing with just individuals that would be easy but we are dealing with potential hordes so we have no choice on that score (that's called common sense).
You are right to suggest we are screwed however.

You do know that the entire population of the world is made up of individuals right?

Sure I know and I also know that when fanatics get control of individuals and bunch them up evil sometimes takes over. There are no individuals within groups following an ancient ideal like Islam. They are controlled by their Holy Book and rules proclaimed by the likes of Sharia Law.
They want us to be controlled in a similar fashion and you fail to see that.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:38 pm

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

Mutley, when did you convert to Islam?

I haven't and never will. I despise all religions...like I've said at least 487 times in this thread alone. :laugh:

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2515

derwent wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

derwent wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Until we start treating people as individuals which some people are determined not to do (think it's called bigotry) then we are screwed.

If we were dealing with just individuals that would be easy but we are dealing with potential hordes so we have no choice on that score (that's called common sense).
You are right to suggest we are screwed however.

You do know that the entire population of the world is made up of individuals right?

Sure I know and I also know that when fanatics get control of individuals and bunch them up evil sometimes takes over. There are no individuals within groups following an ancient ideal like Islam. They are controlled by their Holy Book and rules proclaimed by the likes of Sharia Law.
They want us to be controlled in a similar fashion and you fail to see that.

You mean ALL muslims? You know that's a bit daft. There are people that think all white people are racist. Same kind of daft. How do you cure that? Treat people as individuals.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3709

Pooly_Imp wrote:

derwent wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

derwent wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Until we start treating people as individuals which some people are determined not to do (think it's called bigotry) then we are screwed.

If we were dealing with just individuals that would be easy but we are dealing with potential hordes so we have no choice on that score (that's called common sense).
You are right to suggest we are screwed however.

You do know that the entire population of the world is made up of individuals right?

Sure I know and I also know that when fanatics get control of individuals and bunch them up evil sometimes takes over. There are no individuals within groups following an ancient ideal like Islam. They are controlled by their Holy Book and rules proclaimed by the likes of Sharia Law.
They want us to be controlled in a similar fashion and you fail to see that.

You mean ALL muslims? You know that's a bit daft. There are people that think all white people are racist. Same kind of daft. How do you cure that? Treat people as individuals.

That lad at the Manchester Arena was an individual wasn't he? Security guard didnt dare to question him in case he was accused of racism.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2515

.....aaaand Hitler was a white guy. What's your point?

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3709

Pooly_Imp wrote:

.....aaaand Hitler was a white guy. What's your point?

Your point is the point in question, isn't it? You claim that if we treat everyone as individuals everything will be fine. I was pointing out that even if you do treat people as individuals, things are not fine. Hope this helps.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

Pooly_Imp wrote:

.....aaaand Hitler was a white guy. What's your point?

Hitler was another evil influence. Another example of taking away the individualism of his people. His was a reign of terror and the collective effort of like minded people put a stop to him. Nothing to do with his skin colour just as this discussion has nothing to do with the skin colour of Muslims.
Not for me anyway. I'm not warning of the threat of Muslims to my way of like because of their colour.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2515

derwent wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

.....aaaand Hitler was a white guy. What's your point?

Hitler was another evil influence. Another example of taking away the individualism of his people. His was a reign of terror and the collective effort of like minded people put a stop to him. Nothing to do with his skin colour just as this discussion has nothing to do with the skin colour of Muslims.
Not for me anyway. I'm not warning of the threat of Muslims to my way of like because of their colour.

Yeah but he was a white guy. So all white guys are like Hitler? OBL was a Muslim so they're all like him? Putin is a Christian and ..... you see where I'm going.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3863

So all these illegal arrivals coming here without any papers so that no background checks can be carried out on them should be assumed to be "nice" individuals then?
If they're all innocent souls fleeing persecution how come none of them have any documentation on them?
Also ask yourself, if you were fleeing persecution in an African, Asian, or Middle Eastern country wouldn't it make sense to go to the nearest country where they are predominantly similar in ethnicity, they speak the same language, etc. Why would you choose to travel thousands of miles to get somewhere were you don't speak the language and the lifestyle is polar opposite of where you've come from?

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2515

PTID wrote:

So all these illegal arrivals coming here without any papers so that no background checks can be carried out on them should be assumed to be "nice" individuals then?
If they're all innocent souls fleeing persecution how come none of them have any documentation on them?
Also ask yourself, if you were fleeing persecution in an African, Asian, or Middle Eastern country wouldn't it make sense to go to the nearest country where they are predominantly similar in ethnicity, they speak the same language, etc. Why would you choose to travel thousands of miles to get somewhere were you don't speak the language and the lifestyle is polar opposite of where you've come from?

Nobody says it ain't a nuanced issue. You just assume that anyone who thinks differently to you is some kind of open borders freak.

The outageous opinions are those which are not nuanced, such as singling out an entire religion.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3863

I try not to assume anything, you know the old saying. However if whatever cap you think youve found fits then wear it I say.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2515

PTID wrote:

I try not to assume anything, you know the old saying. However if whatever cap you think youve found fits then wear it I say.

Well that's nice. Just need to try harder.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

Pooly_Imp wrote:

derwent wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

derwent wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Until we start treating people as individuals which some people are determined not to do (think it's called bigotry) then we are screwed.

If we were dealing with just individuals that would be easy but we are dealing with potential hordes so we have no choice on that score (that's called common sense).
You are right to suggest we are screwed however.

You do know that the entire population of the world is made up of individuals right?

Sure I know and I also know that when fanatics get control of individuals and bunch them up evil sometimes takes over. There are no individuals within groups following an ancient ideal like Islam. They are controlled by their Holy Book and rules proclaimed by the likes of Sharia Law.
They want us to be controlled in a similar fashion and you fail to see that.

You mean ALL muslims? You know that's a bit daft. There are people that think all white people are racist. Same kind of daft. How do you cure that? Treat people as individuals.

I disagree because i don't mean all Muslims or all of any group because it doesn't take all to achieve anything, it only takes enough. All Germans didn't vote the Nazis in. All Muslims aren't terrorists but I believe enough of them are to cause concern. How much does our security services spend each year monitoring and thwarting potential attacks on our society and children??? Would we do that if the threat wasn't real. Do we spend time effort and cash on monitoring Sikhs. We have Starmer in power but not all of us voted for him but all of us have to abide by the laws he and his government put on the statute book. That's how it works normally but not in Countries were Muslims are in control it doesn't. What would happen to our gay community if sharia law took over. Do we want to have our ladies shrouded in dress against their will or our girls denied an education. All these things at the moment are possible and I don't want to see the day dawn where they become probable.
That is why I and a growing number of others are showing concern.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Mon Nov 04, 2024 11:37 am

There will never be Sharia Law in this country.

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