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 Post subject: Re: Boris
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:28 pm 
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If anyone is interested in figures for the world with this ongoing shitstorm.

worldometers.info

I know that chart , been following it every day.
So why did you only single out the column that suited you? What's your view for example on ethe numoer of recoveries in Spain vs UK. Are you a secret spin doctor?

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Yes derwent you can see in a post germany being used as a benchmark and not spain.

Keep up giving your opinion much better than an echo chamber.


Don't worry mate. I've never succumbed to name calling bully boys, not even in the school playground.
I've heard loads of ducks collectively farting before.

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Poolie. What a breath of fresh air. Somebody showing that analysis isn't about gathering only information that underlines your dislike of a political party. It all has to be considered and like for every governments response to this emergency, it will be a mixed bag.

Analysis is reading the whole fucking chart. Did you read it? Come on the truth or you confirm the image you're putting across as a dimwit with nothing constructive to say

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 Post subject: Re: Boris
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:43 pm 
derwent wrote:
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Yes derwent you can see in a post germany being used as a benchmark and not spain.

Keep up giving your opinion much better than an echo chamber.


Don't worry mate. I've never succumbed to name calling bully boys, not even in the school playground.
I've heard loads of ducks collectively farting before.


I’m still waiting for these ventilations made by vacuum cleaner and bulldozer manufacturers, I mean, there’s nowt like getting the experts involved, is there?


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 Post subject: Re: Boris
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:44 pm 
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Don't worry mate. I've never succumbed to name calling bully boys, not even in the school playground.
I've heard loads of ducks collectively farting before.


Except when you do the name calling which you do constantly.

And you never ever respond to the factual points being made by others.

Gp on. Have a go. Defend priti Patel.


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Just ignore him he’s not contributing anything worth reading and is simply trying to antagonise people to try make it a big drama all about him.

He’ll soon get bored if nobody bites. It’s particularly amusing though when he tries to paint himself as a victim :laugh: stpid


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TalbotAvenger wrote:
derwent wrote:
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derwent wrote:
Looks like I have been missed. We now have people quoting me before I have written it down.
They're actually trying to draw me into comment.
There isn't a lot of point really because due to their incessant Boris bashing and absolute refusal to give any credit to anybody who stands on the centre podium, it has become quite obvious that their low level of intelligence doesn't allow them to grasp my highly intellectual contribution.
I'm aiming too high it seems or so my neighbour has told me, inciting the general belief that pork cannot be educated.
The truth of the matter is, once again, the hard left is shooting itself in the foot and, at the same time, wallowing in self denial.
Don't forget it is all about me. :wink:


Not one of them deserves credit, you halfwit, they’ve lied continually, and now they are blaming the NHS and the experts who’s advice they refused to follow

What exactly has anyone from the ‘hard left’ said that is factually incorrect about the lack of support for NHS and other staff still supporting the nation during this crisis?

Btw, the hard left are on the fringes now, Keir Starmer is in charge and is as far removed from the hard left as New Labour were


For someone who considers me to be a halfwit and a daft old c**t you sure hang on to my every word.
Just ignore me. You shouldn't find that difficult. You ignore everything that the team fighting this crisis are trying to do or say, so I'm in good company. it's quite flattering really.


I’m not ignoring, I’m watching it with my jaw dropping to the floor
I don’t hang on to your every word, you fucking spunk mop, I’d just like you, if you could, to tell me why they are still lying about the PPE shortages, why they are now passing the blame back to the NHS staff and specialist advisors


I am not in a position to answer questions on any of the detail and neither is anyone else on here except compo, but even then he sticks to what he knows and refrains from getting involved in speculation but the likes of you are an expert on the whole crisis.
I'm puzzled however that you should ask questions of a half witted, daft old c**t, with spunk mop tendencies. Probably because deep down you do hang on my every word and realise that the only sensible contribution comes from the person that this is all about.
It is all about me after all. The gobshites on here told me that so, if you don't agree, take it up with them.
Hope that helps. therethere

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 Post subject: Re: Boris
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:51 pm 
derwent wrote:
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Yes derwent you can see in a post germany being used as a benchmark and not spain.

Keep up giving your opinion much better than an echo chamber.


Don't worry mate. I've never succumbed to name calling bully boys, not even in the school playground.
I've heard loads of ducks collectively farting before.


What Derwent really means

The Dear Leader simply wished the virus out of his system with strength of fortitude brought down to him from his ancestors! We are so lucky to have Dear, Dear Boris!


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 Post subject: Re: Boris
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:54 pm 
To be fair it's a miraculous recovery in just 4 days. Maybe johnson really is the messiah.

Or just an opportunistic lying toad.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:57 pm 
Deleted. It changed :laugh:


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horden wrote:
On the 3rd day he rose, and on the 7th he had a complete discharge from hospital after government ministers repeatedly told the public he was in ICU. While the PM must have been ill with the virus, if he was in ICU he would have been at death’s door. You don’t go from deaths door on Day 3 to home on Day 7, particularly if you also happen to be the Prime Minister.

Lying bastards !

The expertise on here gets more staggering on a daily basis. Professor horden, the bunker chief medical officer, has given his verdict.
After his previous advice was the backing of Corbyn and momentum, I'll think I'll swerve his latest rant.

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 Post subject: Re: Boris
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Montpoolier wrote:
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Poolie. What a breath of fresh air. Somebody showing that analysis isn't about gathering only information that underlines your dislike of a political party. It all has to be considered and like for every governments response to this emergency, it will be a mixed bag.

Analysis is reading the whole fucking chart. Did you read it? Come on the truth or you confirm the image you're putting across as a dimwit with nothing constructive to say


So where's your pro-government comment. Don't need to read anything to know this sounds a bit North Korean.


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Monty we are talking about how many people are dying not recovering that will need analysis when this is all over how ever at the moment we can only hope those people who are affected the recovery rate is in what ever country as high as possible.

The government have made certain mistakes and need to be held to account on an ongoing basis.


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TalbotAvenger wrote:
derwent wrote:
poolie wrote:
Yes derwent you can see in a post germany being used as a benchmark and not spain.

Keep up giving your opinion much better than an echo chamber.


Don't worry mate. I've never succumbed to name calling bully boys, not even in the school playground.
I've heard loads of ducks collectively farting before.


What Derwent really means

The Dear Leader simply wished the virus out of his system with strength of fortitude brought down to him from his ancestors! We are so lucky to have Dear, Dear Boris!


Wrong, I didn't mean that, your guesswork is just as good as the rest of the shite you spout. You can't keep making things up just because the moderators on here turn a blind eye. By all means have a go at what I actually say but making it up before I say it is frankly stupid, childish and does you no favours. I think you are better than that but hey if you want to make my mind up for me keep trying but don't be surprised if I don't take it on.
If you think we are lucky to have Boris then fine. My opinion is we have Boris because the electorate gave us Boris and it is also my opinion that we have Boris because the country at large saw him as a better prospect than the likes of Momentum, Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott to name but a few of your heroes of the hard left. And that's after the ten years of the previous Tory governments. Three time loser Corbyn, backed by you, failed to provide an effective alternative. He is as much to blame as anybody because he failed to provide an acceptable alternative.
We have what we have and I for one want them to be scrutinized but not by the hatred led lynch mobs as demonstrated on here.
Don't forget these threads are all about me. Don't lose sight of that, your fellow members of the lynch mob won't like it if you do.

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PJPoolie wrote:
Just ignore him he’s not contributing anything worth reading and is simply trying to antagonise people to try make it a big drama all about him.

He’ll soon get bored if nobody bites. It’s particularly amusing though when he tries to paint himself as a victim :laugh: stpid


If, you are ignoring me, which will be a first, how do you know if any of what I say is worth reading.
But you are right,,,,,if people stop quoting me, second guessing me, commenting on what I say, continue to talk shite, continue to challenge what I say etc etc, I'll follow the assumption that the hard left have at last seen the light and agree with my comments on the lynch mob attitude, I will see that my attempt at educating the boris bashing hard left is bearing fruit.
As for me painting myself as a victim, don't make me laugh. A victim of what?? Unless you mean a victim of your fanatical hatred of boris and the Tories. How would a card carrying member of the labour party associate with that.

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 Post subject: Re: Boris
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https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... t-11972083


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Flawed data old boy lol.

Worldometers.info

Please let me know what you believe is flawed.


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 Post subject: Re: Boris
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Watching from afar wrote:
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Don't worry mate. I've never succumbed to name calling bully boys, not even in the school playground.
I've heard loads of ducks collectively farting before.


Except when you do the name calling which you do constantly.

And you never ever respond to the factual points being made by others.

Gp on. Have a go. Defend priti Patel.


Priti Patel does not need me to defend her and I certainly haven't had a request from her to do so.
I haven't got the qualifications to defend anybody and I have no intention to take any steps to get them.
It is not my job to answer questions on what is happening within the efforts of the team fighting the virus. They have representatives within their team to answer any questions put to them. More importantly I am also not in a position to scrutinize their answers. I am in their hands and they have far more information and expertise in the handling of the crisis, than I have to hand.
I'll make a pact with you on name calling. You stop me and others being name called and I'll stop me from doing the same.
I'm calling people out who are putting themselves forward as experts. You will have noticed that compo has been exempted from this. I respect his contribution and welcome it.
The hammering of boris and his team is not scrutiny, it is verging on prosecution and you know that.
We both know who you are and we both are capable of shit stirring to great lengths.
This crisis needs the political point scoring taken out of it. People seem angry at political points being scored against them but do exactly the same thing themselves.
If you want order, common sense and respect for each other to prevail on this forum then you have to play your part as have I and everyone else.

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 Post subject: Re: Boris
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The daily figure is certainly very carefully worded. We are told about "the number of people who have died in hospital, after being diagnosed with Covid-19"


Eye opening and frightening really that the UK already has accounted for a tenth of all World Covid-19 deaths yet we aren’t even counting them all.


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To be honest valiant your brain dead you havent got a clue obviously maths is not your strong point, however i will help you understand basic maths.

Uk population is 67 million divide by your total number of deaths gives you the present number of 156 = 1/m

Uk 67 x 156 = a running total of 10,452 deaths

I have just rounded off the population to the nearest million

Actual running total for the UK is 10,612 so the spread sheet calculation is not that far out.

Hope that helps old chap


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 Post subject: Re: Boris
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:35 pm 
Put Germany in there then. And South Korea.

Then look at the uk figure.


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Italy has just recorded its lowest death toll for 25 days at 431, we are only a week or so into these high death tolls and we have already recorded a higher worst day than anyone else in Europe with the curve still rising and we’re not even counting all the deaths. I am not sure what those very selective stats are showing us at that stage especially when Spain and Italy have started to hit the downward curve and the UK still going up. Like I said earlier you can only get a true reflection when it’s over.


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Other than the 5 countries i listed every other country per 1/m population in the world the death total so far is lower than the UK.

It was not fair to include andorra as their population is 77,000 and this applies to all countries with a populatoin of less than 1 million.


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 Post subject: Re: Boris
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:50 pm 
How come Sir Boris of Johnson can travel to his second home to recover? when others have got s the sack for doing it and non politician get turned back by the OB?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:29 pm 
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Other than the 5 countries i listed every other country per 1/m population in the world the death total so far is lower than the UK.

It was not fair to include andorra as their population is 77,000 and this applies to all countries with a populatoin of less than 1 million.
Why not include New Zealand? They started social isolation before they had their first death and are soon ending social isolation. On Friday, they'd had less than 1000 cases and only one death. Why don't we compare and contrast their approach with ours?

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Cause they are forrins of course, the plucky British bulldog will be able to fight this dirty virus and if we can’t, why not use antibiotics like Johnson’s kissing cousin has suggested?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:30 pm 
Because that might make saint boris appear to be not very saintly.


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I agree phil the figures i have posted is risk to the population not people who have died because of infection that is a different ball game because it will be measured against alot of various factors.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:45 pm 
USA 531,247 21,366
Spain 166,019 16,972
Italy 156,363 19,899
Germany 125,975 2,907
France 95,403 14,663
UK 84,279 10,612
China 83,134 3,343
Iran 71,686 4,474
Turkey 56,956 1,198
Belgium 29,647 3,600
Netherlands 25,590 2,737
Switzerland 25,328 1,089
Canada 23,717 675
Brazil 21,042 1,144

Apologies for the rubbish formatting but this shows the cases followed by the deaths.

The proportion of deaths in the uk is staggeringly high. Possibly only France and italy higher.


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Watching from afar wrote:
USA 531,247 21,366
Spain 166,019 16,972
Italy 156,363 19,899
Germany 125,975 2,907
France 95,403 14,663
UK 84,279 10,612
China 83,134 3,343
Iran 71,686 4,474
Turkey 56,956 1,198
Belgium 29,647 3,600
Netherlands 25,590 2,737
Switzerland 25,328 1,089
Canada 23,717 675
Brazil 21,042 1,144

Apologies for the rubbish formatting but this shows the cases followed by the deaths.

The proportion of deaths in the uk is staggeringly high. Possibly only France and italy higher.


These stats need be run against testing statistics before they give a real picture.


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Watching from afar wrote:
USA 531,247 21,366
Spain 166,019 16,972
Italy 156,363 19,899
Germany 125,975 2,907
France 95,403 14,663
UK 84,279 10,612
China 83,134 3,343
Iran 71,686 4,474
Turkey 56,956 1,198
Belgium 29,647 3,600
Netherlands 25,590 2,737
Switzerland 25,328 1,089
Canada 23,717 675
Brazil 21,042 1,144

Apologies for the rubbish formatting but this shows the cases followed by the deaths.

The proportion of deaths in the uk is staggeringly high. Possibly only France and italy higher.


These stats need be run against testing statistics before they give a real picture.


Quite. As noted above, the best figures we’ve got, particularly given our low testing rate, are those that are most accurate (and even these aren’t perfect); deaths. Given we entered this crisis later than other European countries, we’re not in a good place. Our current rates of deaths per day are sadly really high. That’s the point that those of us who are questioning the government’s response are making. We’re not in a good place. Granted, there could be demographic or other reasons for this, but it is a sobering set of statistics.

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People should need a permit to read stats. The stats can't be run against anything because they are not obtained using homogeneous methods and they are not in phase.

The table has 11 columns of figures and they each tell a different story. The only thing that stands out is that the USA is in deep shit.
What else can you conclude? Bugger all unless you look at yesterday's figures and the day before's and the week before's for every country. But the people at Worldometer are dead clever and they thought of that, so if you click the country name, there they are. Look at Spain and Italy: that's what it looks like when you are past the peak. The UK isn't there yet.

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Still so many variables. Are these all deaths 'with' or deaths 'due to'? Are all of these tests of folks with symptoms? It's really hard to come across directly comparable figures.


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Stats are stats and we are always at the mercy of their accuracy.
Whatever the stats we have to recognise this as a world pandemic and all pull together to beat it, warts and all.
At the end of the day there is going to be a lot of blame and mud slinging chucked about ad nauseam. The hard facts are that we have to pool global experience and knowledge to be prepared for the next challenge that is thrown at us.
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Still so many variables. Are these all deaths 'with' or deaths 'due to'? Are all of these tests of folks with symptoms? It's really hard to come across directly comparable figures.


That’s why our stats are so scary. We’re currently only counting deaths of those in hospital who have received a positive diagnosis. It’s undoubtedly higher than this. We’re really in a bad place.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:29 pm 
Exactly.

I only showed these stats as they clearly show bad news in the uk.

And at the very least highlights our pathetic testing regime.

And like others have said our deaths will be significantly higher and we haven't finished yet.

Our figures are shocking. Stats or no stats.


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Here’s a plea. As I’ve said earlier, I’ve been isolating, for one reason or another, for longer than most (in the UK). It’s fucking hard. I’ve already noticed that Toulouse is hardly posting. I can guess why; taking caring of our mental health when the news is so scary is hard. Social media is a blessing and a curse; it allows us to keep in touch, but can also be hard to digest sometimes. So, please, everyone, have a quick think before you post. Can you make your point calmly? Can you be reasoned? Can you be measured? Do you need the insult? We’ll never all agree, but we can do it nicely. And before you say, ‘I’ve seen you not do those things you’re asking’, yes, you’re right. But these times are unprecedented. And I’m trying my best right now to do the right thing.

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To follow on from the above. This thread is a hard read in very hard times. Let’s make any additions to the thread, or others, a bit more forgiving.

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Yep be glad when we are moaning about pools again.


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Yep be glad when we are moaning about pools again.


That 3-4 loss against Gillingham... banghead
That 2-1 loss against Telford :roll:
That 3-1 loss against Sutton :angry-screaming:
That Dover game... :sad-roulette:
Every match against Harrogate rakxe

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I agree totally with both posts I tried to say to the same on page one of this thread and am trying to stick by that even though I have fallen short myself a couple of times since. It is like banging your head against the wall when you are posting sincere and heartfelt concerns coming from no other place than you being seriously worried about your friends and family but what is coming back from certain posters is quite frankly absurd, one eyed and ignorant to what is actually happening.

I am trying to ignore those burying their head in the sand or just trying to intentionally antagonise. All of us need to have a look at and consider what we are posting at a time like this though for the reasons you have both outlined.


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Kindness yes. Tapping away on this forum isn't going to change anything or anyone's views. The things we can effect are what we are all already doing because behind every poster in here is a decent person, I've absolutely no doubt of that. Good people can disagree with each other but remain good people. That's what we have here. Wish everyone the best and a safe journey through this mess. I hope that through one way or another, some good comes from this and the world is a better place.


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Cant disagree with any of the above last few posts.


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So now the leaders of both THE Royal colleges of surgeons and nurses have publicly stated they should refuse to treat covid patients without the correct PPE. I wonder what people on here think of that.


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Nothing. Cant change it. Cant effect it. The only data out there to measure government performance is skin deep and fragmented. The analysis will come much later, just as someone posted ages ago. Those predisposed to love/hate the conservatives will have their unsubstantiated say as folks will always do. Until then, be strong and be kind. Thankfully theres plenty of strength and kindness in the UK people.


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If you are working on the front line without the protection needed you have a fair chance of becoming seriously ill or losing your life. It’s against every instinct of that profession to not help people in need but nobody should be put in that position or at that sort of risk. It is totally unacceptable.


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 Post subject: Re: Boris
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:20 am 
If anyone thinks they should still treat people without PPE then there is no point in social distancing.

Think about it. Health workers go to work without PPE them go home to their families in close contact. Then members of their families go out to the supermarket etc.

Its madness.


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 Post subject: Re: Boris
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:21 am 
Pooly_Imp wrote:
Nothing. Cant change it. Cant effect it. The only data out there to measure government performance is skin deep and fragmented. The analysis will come much later, just as someone posted ages ago. Those predisposed to love/hate the conservatives will have their unsubstantiated say as folks will always do. Until then, be strong and be kind. Thankfully theres plenty of strength and kindness in the UK people.


Not sure what any of the above means.

I asked a simple question based on facts from this morning.


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 Post subject: Re: Boris
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:25 am 
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Watching from afar wrote:
If anyone thinks they should still treat people without PPE then there is no point in social distancing.

Think about it. Health workers go to work without PPE them go home to their families in close contact. Then members of their families go out to the supermarket etc.

Its madness.


That also applies to the point about public transport and flights. Most NHS workers especially in London use the tubes and buses to get to work, public transport has no restriction on who uses it and people are entering the UK from all over the World still completely unchecked then using public transport mixing no doubt with people heading to treat people with virus. It totally contradicts the message the government is trying to send out.


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 Post subject: Re: Boris
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:32 am 
Exactly. What a mess this country is in.


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 Post subject: Re: Boris
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:46 am 
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Jeez so many experts. Why didn't the government just come here? For crying out loud I give up.


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