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 Post subject: Re: Corona virus
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:10 pm 
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This is from today, it is absolutely staggering. We are getting our temperatures taken going into the supermarket here yet people are going through Heathrow Airport unchecked straight onto public transport or other flights all over the UK;

Heathrow arrivals today.
Rome. 11
Paris. 12
Madrid. 13
Hong Kong. 5
Singapore. 23
New York. 10
Los Angeles. 7

No testing. Public transport in London is open and running.

See the problem?


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Anyone returning from Madrid and especially New York should be ushered straight into isolation through a special tunnel.
If the New York figures were separated from the rest of the US, they'd be the 6th most hit in the world, just after Germany. Staggering.

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 Post subject: Re: Corona virus
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:03 pm 
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This is from today, it is absolutely staggering. We are getting our temperatures taken going into the supermarket here yet people are going through Heathrow Airport unchecked straight onto public transport or other flights all over the UK;

Heathrow arrivals today.
Rome. 11
Paris. 12
Madrid. 13
Hong Kong. 5
Singapore. 23
New York. 10
Los Angeles. 7

No testing. Public transport in London is open and running.


See the problem?


Yet Sir Michael of Gove said you can’t go running or for a walk if it exceeds half an hour

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PJPoolie wrote:
This is from today, it is absolutely staggering. We are getting our temperatures taken going into the supermarket here yet people are going through Heathrow Airport unchecked straight onto public transport or other flights all over the UK;

Heathrow arrivals today.
Rome. 11
Paris. 12
Madrid. 13
Hong Kong. 5
Singapore. 23
New York. 10
Los Angeles. 7

No testing. Public transport in London is open and running.

See the problem?

It's almost as if the Tory cabinet have bessy mates whom fly all over the world doing business deals...hmm.

Sad scenes where I live today, kids flying down the streets on bikes, people standing and chatting while walking the dogs, now a pair of kernts are in the alley having a domestic.


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 Post subject: Re: Corona virus
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:36 pm 
But god bless Boris eh, makes all the right choices, the new Churchill...blah blah blah...

People are dying. He's incapable of stopping it or even slowing it.


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These stats that PJ has posted are shocking. It would be a good question to raise on question time.

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What I don’t get is why the UK and US are doing it different to everywhere else?

One of the lads who we play 5 a side with is Italian he flew back here from home three weeks ago and was put into 14 days of quarantine in government accommodation, he did a tour in the WhatsApp group it was a quite nice apartment! But he couldn’t go out people went shopping for him, meals were brought to him. Then they banned arrivals from certain countries then they shut the airport for arrivals altogether. Yet three weeks later thousands of people are walking through and out of Heathrow unchecked from all over the World.


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 Post subject: Re: Corona virus
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PJPoolie wrote:
This is from today, it is absolutely staggering. We are getting our temperatures taken going into the supermarket here yet people are going through Heathrow Airport unchecked straight onto public transport or other flights all over the UK;

Heathrow arrivals today.
Rome. 11
Paris. 12
Madrid. 13
Hong Kong. 5
Singapore. 23
New York. 10
Los Angeles. 7

No testing. Public transport in London is open and running.

See the problem?




Are you saying seriously affected countries like Spain and Italy should have closed their departure lounges PJ??


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 Post subject: Re: Corona virus
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I’m not sure if you have to be an expert on global pandemics, a medical genius, or above the age of 12 to answer that question sensibly.

Take New York for example where they are knocking up containers as makeshift morgues on the street, where all those flights landed from at Heathrow today and people got off and dispersed unchecked all over the UK. Where those in economy had sat right next to someone for 6 hours. Surely it would be better to keep people where they are in the World for a period of time rather than that? If you are still abroad now given what is going on you are either an idiot or your repatriation can wait a while we ride this out?

I heard Raab on ITV earlier talking about extra flights and propping up airlines to get people home. They are telling people on one hand to not go for jog too far from home they are and then trying to move thousands of people thousands of miles from all over the World from some of the worst affected regions then not even checking if they have a temperature on arrival.

Isn’t that a bit fucking stupid? Criminally negligent almost unless the UK and US still think privately that the global reaction to this is over the top which if that is the case I hope they’re right.


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 Post subject: Re: Corona virus
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[quote="PJPoolie"]I’m not sure if you have to be an expert on global pandemics, a medical genius, or above the age of 12 to answer that question sensibly.




Which one are you today PJ ?


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No one is capable of stoping it only us not spreading it and that is working as infections are slowing. The issue is will a second spike happen when things are relaxed? We have to know that probably 60-70 off us will get it just we need to not flood the nhs. Current update on diagnostic testing is that a lot more being received however we are seeing the spike as well so we have to moved the products and share them around it’s like playing chess

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 Post subject: Re: Corona virus
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Sussex UK wrote:
PJPoolie wrote:
I’m not sure if you have to be an expert on global pandemics, a medical genius, or above the age of 12 to answer that question sensibly.




Which one are you today PJ ?


If you are taking mental age you are certainly none, I’m above 12 though.


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 Post subject: Re: Corona virus
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This is a heartwarming tale. Quite how it has come to this is anybody's guess:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/28/medical-fetish-site-donates-entire-stock-scrubs-nhs-12469788/?fbclid=IwAR2nANfVWK4_Q6lBoYbhTHtpPaDghhAAr9T2Io9UHWOr2aY-Gj-5YfbpzDA

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 Post subject: Re: Corona virus
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Hope it doesn't inspire Sussex to offer them his soiled XXXL gimp suit-


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Hope it doesn't inspire Sussex to offer them his soiled XXXL gimp suit-


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 Post subject: Re: Corona virus
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The figures are starting to nosedive here. I only hope it lasts.
Yes we have the 2nd most cases in the world but the number of new cases is now at its lowest for 13 days, deaths are down, and recoveries are up. Italy, with a head start, was much the same at this stage of quarantine and has since progressed even further.
Let's hope the UK follows the same trend. Unfortunately you are a 9 days behind us, but on the upside, BJ & Co. can see exactly what's working and what isn't.

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 Post subject: Re: Corona virus
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The figures are starting to nosedive here. I only hope it lasts.
Yes we have the 2nd most cases in the world but the number of new cases is now at its lowest for 13 days, deaths are down, and recoveries are up. Italy, with a head start, was much the same at this stage of quarantine and has since progressed even further.
Let's hope the UK follows the same trend. Unfortunately you are a 9 days behind us, but on the upside, BJ & Co. can see exactly what's working and what isn't.


That's good news, Monty.
You keep safe, mate and don't take any chances.

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 Post subject: Re: Corona virus
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52308201

Good article.
Given this i just cant see the pubs been open before...........next year????

And i didnt know this;

"Remember, there are four coronaviruses that already circulate in human beings. They cause the common cold, and we don't have vaccines for any of them,"

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 Post subject: Re: Corona virus
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:11 pm 
Some element of normality has to return. No amount of scaremongering from top scientists can stop that.

How long do people really think the younger generation are going to put up with a lockdown and absolute social distancing before they start to realise they will never get a job again or will certainly never progress in a career.

All to protect older people that probably wont suffer from a recession.

Before some go off on a one about the above comments you all have to realise that this will affect different generations and classes kn different ways.

Most pub employees are young. They need the money. If other countries are trying to get back to normal then so will we.

And that scientist needs to stick to what he knows. He is turning into something of an irritant. If the under 30s have no prospects why should they lock down for any longer than is really needed? What's in it for them?

The solution has to suit all.


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No one is going to go off on one about your comments. I for one expect them.
However there is one major flaw in your argument about the attitude of young people in relation to the elderly
The elderly are their relations who they generally love very dearly as grandparents, aunties and uncles and they would not do anything to put them in harm's way, apart from maybe a small minority. There is always a small minority.
We need to look very closely at the plight of youngsters when this is over and pay special attention to their needs. In discussions with other elderly people that is the one thing everybody agrees on. As one old boy put it. We have to make sure that our grandkids don't become the lost generation. And do you know what. We will break our backs to achieve that. And do you know what else. The kids know that.
There is a lot of equity release going on in this country at the moment but it will grow rapidly when the grandkids need help. You can be sure of that.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:33 pm 
sorry that was just patronising nonsense.


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sorry that was just patronising nonsense.

Good answer. Must remember that.

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Am I in the right thread for coronavirus? I am?
Good.

Spain has ramped up the testing in a big way and guess what? The number of infected people has shot up with it.
It doesn't alter the downward trend; it just shifts the datum. And tells the real story.

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Maybe compo can answer this but say I get tested today and it's negative but on Saturday I pick the virus up and then pass it on, what was the point of the test. If that can happen surely the test needs repeating every so many days or indeed every day.
That would be some task that in a country of 60 odd million.

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Maybe compo can answer this but say I get tested today and it's negative but on Saturday I pick the virus up and then pass it on, what was the point of the test. If that can happen surely the test needs repeating every so many days or indeed every day.
That would be some task that in a country of 60 odd million.

I can answer that. There are two tests. One for the live virus, one for antibodies. For the live test, it’s about confirming if those with symptoms actually have it. If you do, we can isolate you, trace those you’ve contacted, and isolate and test them. This is the best means of containment. For the antibody test, this confirms if you’ve had it in the past. This could be a game changer for social life. If (and we assume this is the case) you’ve already had it, you’re immune. If you’re immune you can go back to work and/or help in any relief effort. A combination of both tests together could help us ease restrictions. But until we have a vaccine/treatment, some restrictions on life are inevitable.

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Thanks fat man for that clarification.
Any ideas when both of these will be available as I have read on BBC website that a vaccine will not be available until the second half of 2021.
Also has there been any consideration of some kind of "passport" for those who have been confirmed of have had the virus?

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Bluestreak wrote:
Thanks fat man for that clarification.
Any ideas when both of these will be available as I have read on BBC website that a vaccine will not be available until the second half of 2021.
Also has there been any consideration of some kind of "passport" for those who have been confirmed of have had the virus?

China are using an app that confirms whether you’ve had the virus, are currently positive, or may have come into contact with someone who has had it. But they can do that given the extent to which they control their population. We could never go as far as that (and I don’t think I’d want us to be able to do that).

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Restrictions until mid 2021 will destroy the country and its economy. Whether people like it or not that's the fact of it.


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The Fat Man wrote:
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Maybe compo can answer this but say I get tested today and it's negative but on Saturday I pick the virus up and then pass it on, what was the point of the test. If that can happen surely the test needs repeating every so many days or indeed every day.
That would be some task that in a country of 60 odd million.

I can answer that. There are two tests. One for the live virus, one for antibodies. For the live test, it’s about confirming if those with symptoms actually have it. If you do, we can isolate you, trace those you’ve contacted, and isolate and test them. This is the best means of containment. For the antibody test, this confirms if you’ve had it in the past. This could be a game changer for social life. If (and we assume this is the case) you’ve already had it, you’re immune. If you’re immune you can go back to work and/or help in any relief effort. A combination of both tests together could help us ease restrictions. But until we have a vaccine/treatment, some restrictions on life are inevitable.

Thanks for your help but what I want to know is how often you need to test people as one day they could be negative and then two days later they are positive. Or are we only going to test people that show symptoms.

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If we get this under control we won’t need daily testing of everyone. With some social restrictions (not a full lockdown, but some in place), all we’ll need to do is contract trace effectively, so we know who is at risk, and they can self isolate. As long as we have some restrictions in place, we’ll be able trace the limited number who are at risk.

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In other words, no big crowds, no big social events, until we get a vaccine.

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And what if there is no vaccine?


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If we get this under control we won’t need daily testing of everyone. With some social restrictions (not a full lockdown, but some in place), all we’ll need to do is contract trace effectively, so we know who is at risk, and they can self isolate. As long as we have some restrictions in place, we’ll be able trace the limited number who are at risk.

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Then we have to wait until herd immunity, which is no immunity at all for the old and vulnerable.


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Spain started up in a limited way on Monday, but you couldn't tell that it was limited, considering the number of cars on the streets. New infections were falling, but we won't see the effect of the start-up again for about three weeks. The rest of the world will be watching.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:37 pm 
And there's the rub. For the sanity of everyone we have to try and get back to normality or as near to normality sooner rather than later.

The economy certainly in the short to medium term is in serious trouble. No amount of posturing on here about it needing to happen helps anyone that needs a job to pay their Bill's. Most dont have savings to fall back on.

There will come a time when they will need to put first rather than the over 75s.


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And there's the rub. For the sanity of everyone we have to try and get back to normality or as near to normality sooner rather than later.

The economy certainly in the short to medium term is in serious trouble. No amount of posturing on here about it needing to happen helps anyone that needs a job to pay their Bill's. Most dont have savings to fall back on.

There will come a time when they will need to put first rather than the over 75s.


What are you actually suggesting? Sounds like you want an end of the lockdown, raging spread of the disease and the death of the elderly. Sounds a bit like herding to me. You continuously suggest we shouldn't protect the elderly. Do you want a mass cull of the elderly cos that's what it sounds like to me.

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I am saying no such thing.


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So what such thing are you saying.

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It's quite clear above. Maybe you should try and stop reading between the lines and just comment one what has been written.


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It's quite clear above. Maybe you should try and stop reading between the lines and just comment one what has been written.


So just to be clear. Are you or are you not suggesting that the emphasis should be taken away from protecting the elderly and put elsewhere.

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I think fat man has explained what I was going too. Testing only good to contain and their won’t be a vaccine to prob Xmas 2021

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I think fat man has explained what I was going too. Testing only good to contain and their won’t be a vaccine to prob Xmas 2021

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Hope the vaccine works better than the flu one.
Absolute shite is that.
The home remedy of raw garlic cloves works perfect.
Maybe some Einstein can invent a home remedy bfor the government.


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The vaccine does work on the flu actually but only one strain of the flu. That’s why no country in world has been able to cure influenza as it mutates to rapid and quick before you can get immunity to all the strains and wipe it out

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doubt there is an easy solution to the end of the lockdown. if you just waied till there was no cases then you might be in some sort of lockdown for ever. withdraw it too early then the deaths will rise. thing is people die all the time. do not want to put that flu word out again but thousands die every year from it and add those off work by just being ill from it. will we go into lockdown in the flu season. there needs to be big decisions made over the next few months. those who make em need to be very brave indeed as they will get flak like never before for their final decisions. no one set of people of all ages are going to agree with them and thats a certainty.


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For me this is the problem with these dam viruses everbody gets them sooner or later the problem with this one its a killer.
Like you said about vaccines i get the flu jab every october but i still get the bloody virus.


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I've just spend 90 minutes scrutinising coronavirus news from all over the world.
There's not a single sign of optimism concerning the end of this catastrophe.
Plus the fact that hardly any of the figures you see are reliable and in many cases they are magnitudes out.
You can't keep quarantine up for ever and you can't go phasing it out steeply only to allow a second wave to start.

Long story short, we're pretty much Donald Ducked. The world is going to have to change.

Here's the kind of thing I've been seeing. Yes it's the Guardian but it's by an American and not finger pointing or political.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... s-pandemic

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