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 Post subject: What a bunch of whingers
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:41 pm 
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The way everybody is slagging of the team and Wilsons decisions is just ridiculous. I just think some fans have expectations which far exceed the history of Hartlepool United. Pools are competing at a level unheard of in their history, I mean for gods sake the club is celebrating its centenary next year and only 5-10% of that time has been positive the rest utter tosh. I could understand if we were sitting at the bottom of the league and the season so far had been a disaster but it has'nt. Considering we have a lot of new players, are competing in a higher division and had a tough opening sequence of fixtures especially away from home we are not doing too bad. Yes there is room for improvement, isnt there always in life but why not focus on the positives rather than the negatives. The club is stable, we have an experienced ex-premiership manager and some quality players we could never of dreamed of signing a few years ago.

The problem is we have all become too accustomed to a good thing and expectations have risen to a ridiculous level. As Wilson says 'everyone is expecting the team to win 5-0 every week and it just aint going to happen'. Perhaps the fans expectations are the main problem and not the team!

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 Post subject: Re: What a bunch of whingers
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:50 pm 
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are you calling every Pools fan a whinger? You don't didstinguish between who does and who doesn't criticise in your post. You imply that every single Pools fan is a whinger.
I'm very pleased with Pools performances on the whole this season. However everyone is entitled to pass a comment on what can be improved. Why should anyone not want things to be better? Nobody should ever settle for what they've got. Every team and every manager should strive to improve, at all times. Most comments are constructive on here, not destructive. Any destructive comments are always treated with the contempt they deserve by most people on here.
Plus - it is a message board for airing opinions. What would be the point of having one otherwise?

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 Post subject: Re: What a bunch of whingers
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:53 pm 
parmopooly wrote:
are you calling every Pools fan a whinger? You don't didstinguish between who does and who doesn't criticise in your post. You imply that every single Pools fan is a whinger.
I'm very pleased with Pools performances on the whole this season. However everyone is entitled to pass a comment on what can be improved. Why should anyone not want things to be better? Nobody should ever settle for what they've got. Every team and every manager should strive to improve, at all times. Most comments are constructive on here, not destructive. Any destructive comments are always treated with the contempt they deserve by most people on here.
Plus - it is a message board for airing opinions. What would be the point of having one otherwise?



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 Post subject: Re: What a bunch of whingers
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:22 pm 
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It is actually positive to talk about the negative's because then those negative's can be improved on. We should be higher in the league than what we are but shipping too many silly goals is costing us big style, the team selections and tactics are also baffling on occasions......


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 Post subject: Re: What a bunch of whingers
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Sometimes the negatives are focused on more than the positives, which is a shame as I tried to illustrate in my post we are no longer little old hard up Hartlepool we have a club to be proud of.

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 Post subject: Re: What a bunch of whingers
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:51 pm 
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The moaning is not generally negative, the frustration is that we have a proven centre back pairing that works. 23 clean sheet last season with Clark & Nelson, compare that to this year. This is whats frustrating everyone, Clark does not deserve to be out of the team.

Other than that I don't no anyone who is unhappy will what DW has achieved.


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 Post subject: Re: What a bunch of whingers
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:00 pm 
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The way everybody is slagging of the team and Wilsons decisions is just ridiculous. I just think some fans have expectations which far exceed the history of Hartlepool United. Pools are competing at a level unheard of in their history, I mean for gods sake the club is celebrating its centenary next year and only 5-10% of that time has been positive the rest utter tosh. I could understand if we were sitting at the bottom of the league and the season so far had been a disaster but it has'nt. Considering we have a lot of new players, are competing in a higher division and had a tough opening sequence of fixtures especially away from home we are not doing too bad. Yes there is room for improvement, isnt there always in life but why not focus on the positives rather than the negatives. The club is stable, we have an experienced ex-premiership manager and some quality players we could never of dreamed of signing a few years ago.

The problem is we have all become too accustomed to a good thing and expectations have risen to a ridiculous level. As Wilson says 'everyone is expecting the team to win 5-0 every week and it just aint going to happen'. Perhaps the fans expectations are the main problem and not the team!



I agree entirely - and I don't believe this is aimed at everyone or at those who try to be constructive in their argument. However there are many who DO expect us to go out and turn teams over 4 or 5 nil every week and its just not going to happen. Wer'e all sick of other teams mangers and fans saying that pools are the best team they have played this season but this must mean something. There was a post last week about a "winter of discontent" which just amazes me because in the 45 years i have been following Pools things have never been so good - and that doesn't mean that we ca't keep on improving, but it is a fact!


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maybe the destructive comments are largely made from people who weren't here when we really were shite!!!!! Maybe except headlander, who for what knows reasons can't accept us getting beat, ever.

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 Post subject: Re: What a bunch of whingers
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It's just sheer frustration because we have such an excellent squad yet the results and the start XI are a million miles away from our true quality.

I genuinely believe we'd be virtually top if Ben Clark had started every game this season. The attack isn't lethal but we are scoring goals in the majority of games yet it's never enough because teams only need a couple of chances to get 3 points and 90% of teams will always create a couple of chances, home or away.

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 Post subject: Re: What a bunch of whingers
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:19 pm 
Wilson explained why he picked Coles over McCunnie on the official site, Forest play a lot of long diagonal balls and Coles is better in the air, he admitted we lost out attacking wise by not playing McCunnie in that position.

Carlisles first on Tuesday came from that type of ball.


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OK - fair enough re the tactic but why not play Ben Clark in that position then?


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 Post subject: Re: What a bunch of whingers
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 Post subject: Re: What a bunch of whingers
PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:05 am 
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aye exactly it must be a Brummie thing :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: What a bunch of whingers
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 Post subject: Re: What a bunch of whingers
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The way everybody is slagging of the team and Wilsons decisions is just ridiculous. I just think some fans have expectations which far exceed the history of Hartlepool United. Pools are competing at a level unheard of in their history, I mean for gods sake the club is celebrating its centenary next year and only 5-10% of that time has been positive the rest utter tosh. I could understand if we were sitting at the bottom of the league and the season so far had been a disaster but it has'nt. Considering we have a lot of new players, are competing in a higher division and had a tough opening sequence of fixtures especially away from home we are not doing too bad. Yes there is room for improvement, isnt there always in life but why not focus on the positives rather than the negatives. The club is stable, we have an experienced ex-premiership manager and some quality players we could never of dreamed of signing a few years ago.

The problem is we have all become too accustomed to a good thing and expectations have risen to a ridiculous level. As Wilson says 'everyone is expecting the team to win 5-0 every week and it just aint going to happen'. Perhaps the fans expectations are the main problem and not the team!


I personally am tired of hearing about how good we have it now compared to what it used to be. That's the nature of football. One minute you're a laughing stock and the next you are knocking on the door of the Championship.

We currently have THE BEST squad we have ever had without exception. With the addition of a decent striker and the right squad selection, there's no reason why we shouldn't be sitting top of the league. It's defeatist attitudes like this which will stop us going forward.

Why shouldn't we expect us to do well? We have a capable squad which we all know can play teams off the park. The last 3 home games for Pools have been the most frustrating that I can remember in 25 years of going to watch them. I'm standing there watching the match, knowing that we should have had maximum points from all three games. Players won't take shots, High balls knocked into the middle of the box for their defenders to easily clear. On the odd occasion it evades their defenders, their keeper easily deals with it. Stupid defensive mistakes. Strikers with low confidence. Strange tactical decisions. We pay our money and are entitled to have our say.

Yes, it's infinitely better than it was under Houchen, McCreery, Moncur etc but why stop when it gets better. Why not keep pushing to be the best we can be?

I'll finish now because i'm rambling but I remember talking to a friend of a friend a few seasons ago who said they hoped we didn't get promotion to the Championship becasue we were fine at League One level!!!
A sorry snapshot of too many Poolies opinions i'm afraid.

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I personally am tired of hearing about how good we have it now compared to what it used to be. That's the nature of football. One minute you're a laughing stock and the next you are knocking on the door of the Championship.

We currently have THE BEST squad we have ever had without exception. With the addition of a decent striker and the right squad selection, there's no reason why we shouldn't be sitting top of the league. It's defeatist attitudes like this which will stop us going forward.

Why shouldn't we expect us to do well? We have a capable squad which we all know can play teams off the park. The last 3 home games for Pools have been the most frustrating that I can remember in 25 years of going to watch them. I'm standing there watching the match, knowing that we should have had maximum points from all three games. Players won't take shots, High balls knocked into the middle of the box for their defenders to easily clear. On the odd occasion it evades their defenders, their keeper easily deals with it. Stupid defensive mistakes. Strikers with low confidence. Strange tactical decisions. We pay our money and are entitled to have our say.

Yes, it's infinitely better than it was under Houchen, McCreery, Moncur etc but why stop when it gets better. Why not keep pushing to be the best we can be?

I'll finish now because i'm rambling but I remember talking to a friend of a friend a few seasons ago who said they hoped we didn't get promotion to the Championship becasue we were fine at League One level!!!
A sorry snapshot of too many Poolies opinions i'm afraid.


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 Post subject: Re: What a bunch of whingers
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