Could it be that Barker is the problem rather than Moore? Is he too slow for this league and would Moore possibly work with Foley or Joel.

Just a thought................

You may be right.

Or it may be a case of horses for courses- pick the forward line depending upon the defence we're up against.

Barker is a top league 2 player but methinks League 1 could be a step to far.

Still he's one of the best i've seen at holding the ball up/flick ons etc - it just seems Moore doesn't get on the end of anything even though he puts the effort in.

Barker/Moore has had a good run - maybe time for something different.

It pre-supposes that the problem exists at all.

We're third in league 1. Where's the fookin' fire?? This time last season there WAS a fookin fire. Oldham have got a fire. Doncaster have. Wallsall have. Gillingham have. Millwalls already burned down.

What the fook are you on about?? Barker/Moore are on 4 league goals after 6 games. Everyone's slavering because Boyds got 5 goals. Orient have only got 9, we've got 10.

Believe me, I've looked into this for the Biz today and we really, really haven't got a problem. Did no-one learn when we lost Boyd and Porter to injury and no-one else could score?? We got relegated, remember?? Calm down and enjoy the ride.

Here's a clue: James Brown........

We're doing ok in a devloping market, one loss and we'll plummet. It could be better.

Oly two from open play this season, I'm not going to include penalties as they don't reflect the ability of the forwards to create goals.


Look again! Barker and Moore together doesn't work. Barker or Moore with someone else might well do.


I don't see the relevance on that one.

Sorry PK, but you're working purely on stats.

It's watching them together which makes us think that they don't LOOK right as a pair and don't LOOK as though they're gonna be a 40+ goal partnership. When they're together on the pitch we don't carry a threat down the middle which gives you a buzz when we attack like you would get from having Porter, Foley (or dare I say even Boydy) up there.

"Only two from open play this season, I'm not going to include penalties as they don't reflect the ability of the forwards to create goals."

Penalties still count, we still win matches when we score them. As for not reflecting the ability of the forwards to score goals, how did we earn the penners in the first place?

Arguing against myself here, all three pens were won by midfielders being bundled over in the area.

Barker isn't the problem, it's Moore. I also don't go for this 'he's very good in League 2 but not good enough for League 1'. There's fook all between the two divisions.

It's also rubbish to say 'we're 3rd so leave things the same'. That kind of attitude will be a reason why we'll never get out of this division. Why didn't we leave Andy Monkhouse in then?

Leaving Moore in because the other 10 players around him are performing well is a very weak argument if you ask me. I've seen the guy about 10 times now and he only did well in the first 45 minutes against Oldham, we have carried him for long enough and we're going to come unstuck soon unless he replaces him.

That not the point BP, the direct answer to your question is that Brown usually fell over to gain the penalty. Very little to do with our front two. I never said is was reflective of our forwards to SCORE goals, I said they were not reflective of our forwards ability to CREATE goals. There is a difference.

I disagree too Pooliekev, they dont work well together. Honestly, I know you will look at the table and think they are doing fine but im sure we could/would be top with a decent strikeforce.

I know that there are few players available who we could afford but my point is that only because we are third does not mean that the strikeforce are great, they arent!

Im know we would pose a greater threat with Porter up front.

FFS Antwi and Matty Robson have scored as many as Moore. One is a centre half and the other has only played a couple of games. He's also got two players ahead of him who's only appearances have been from the bench.

After a full season the Leeds fans said "runs around a lot but doesn't score goals" everyone who has seen him this season says "runs around a lot but doesn't score goals".

Oh incidentally, he was taken off at half time on Saturday after running around a lot but looking like if he played for the rest of the week he wouldn't score any goals.

To be honest, there's little point having this argument anyway. Joel will start on Saturday ahead of Moore, will grab a brace and everyone will be happy!

I hope you're right TPP, but I've got this awful feeling that DW will start with the same two up front, and only bring on Joel when they fail to score again.

So it's a buzz you all want rather than the goals that the team are delivering in greater quantities than anyone else bar one in the division?? The top team have scored less than us.

Or is that just a statistic??

The relevance of the Boyd/Porter thing is that they scored pretty well all our goals and then suddenly weren't there. From thereon we had no goals on the pitch. Therefore we lost lots of games to nil and got relegated.

I know one defeat could make a big difference to the league position but you know why we are third??

Goal difference............amazing eh??

By the same token Kev you could say that this season we have been relying on the midfield to score, and when they aren't firing - as they haven't done in the last two games (neither of which we have won, right?) - then some fookah who is paid to score had better get his arse into gear and earn his pay.

FORTUNATELY, Wilson saw that too on Saturday and made the right choice with his subbing.
And has been said, it's not unlikey Foley would have been on there too at the end if we'd had any subs left.
So everything is fine, for now.

Everything was dandy and rosey in Germany in the early to mid 1930s too.

Mr H had dragged their economy out of recession providing prosperity to the masses, hadn't invaded any neighbours and had yet to start (allegedly ) slaughtering Jews.

Mr PK's special hobby is telling everyone that their perceived problems don't exist and/or that we should all move to China. Look closely and see that at least 80% of his posts fall in to these categories.grin:

Mr Head will tell you

Two of our wins have been against teams in the bottom four (Oldham and Port Vale) so perhaps there is a real problem that the stats tend to hide. Are we in a false position on the strength of our performances? Is the problem more acute than the table suggests?

Or are they in the bottom four because they've had a tough start having to play the top teams (like us ) early doors?

my own gut feeling is that we will be underestimated by most sides for the first half of the season, by which time I think we will have racked up quite a few points on the board.

So are you saying we're heading for WWIII with this team selection?

Maybe IOR want to buy the ground so that they can build an extermination camp.

I wouldn't even go as far as to say their goals would keep us in League One!!!!!!
They are relying heavily on the goals coming from other players, or at least the chances created to win penalties!!!!

I dont think its a case pf Moore and Barker not working, its just that Moore looks like doing nothing all game and i dont think that matters who he is playing with. He very rarely controls the balls never mind create a chance for someone or get a shot in. I can run around all game and do fuck all for half his wages.