I still reckon it was the dad though.

He's got a guilty voice and just looks shifty.

In fact he looks like Shifty.

haha that is priceless

What? You mean Shifty off of Carla Lane's much loved eighties sitcom 'Bread'?

Hey a young girl has been taken and perhaps killed.. is this the place to poke fun in any way... get a life, don't you have any young children in your family.... think for a sec please.

Frank, your sentiments, though important to you would surely undermine comedy as a concept. Please don't insult me,
I have a life Sir, perhaps its time you looked past the end of your nose !

Everyone has a right to make a joke but some things in my opinion are beyond that. I'm with Frank on this one, a little girl has been abducted and probably abused and murdered. I fail to see anything funny in that.

I don't find the subjest of a little girl being abducted and murdered funny in the slightest.

i have always thought that the parents were a bit shifty though, they seemed to be loving the spotlight at some points.

I think they're doing the best they can and keeping the spolight on the case any way they can. The Portuguese police have been a joke and don't forget that a 'suspect' in Portuguese law has a very different meaning to English law.

FFS !!!!!

My thoughts exactly when I first seen this thread.

Maybe you ought to delete it then in case it upsets anyone else. There may be more people out there that are sympathetic to the media-whoring scousers who quite possibly have sole responsibility for an innocents child's death. Whilst it is indeed a tragic event, and I am not stupid enough to not know this, these 2 parents fooked-up big style but still have the likes of BBC and Sky referering to them by their first names, an internet-blog and the nationals fawning over their every move. I equate it with the 'thousands' of people who attended the funeral of that young lad killed, another sorry happening, but the usual nationwide mourning. Boris is spot-on, the emotion often removes the facts !!

Am I right in thinking there is some anti-scouse feeling here Bresslaw?

Every one loves the scousers though, don't they.....

PS

Would the media have been has sympathetic towards this couple if they lived in a dog rough council estate and were on the dole?

I VERY much doubt it!

Nothing to do with there place of birth, there social standing and nicey nicey looks has been a big factor in the ineterest of the media tho, had they been Jeremy Kyle types then would we have given a hoot ?

They are responsible in a big way whether or not they actually did the deed, they where eating fookin Tapas 300 yds away from their kids, defend that !

Oh, and I've looked like a c**t many times, it worries me not

I have to admit to a 'there but for the grace of god' connection to what happenned to the McCann family. We went over to Dublin, for me to take part in the Marathon, with our oldest (the one causing a stir with his writings on rivals ), who was just short of his 2nd birthday. On the Saturday night of the weekend, Frank Bruno was fighting Joe Bugner, and PC and I wanted to watch the fight. We tucked him up in bed, no cots in the room, and surrounded him with pillows so he wouldn't fall out, and went down to the Hotel bar to watch. Of course we kept popping up between rounds to check he was OK, but anyone could have walked into the Hotel up the stairs to the bar, and sidetracked to the bedroom. But at the time we never considered it a problem, with hindsight we would now.

Yes, but the main point is if they hadnt left the kid locked in a house on a holiday it wouldnt of happened

Like I said earlier, why the great media suck up FFS????, if they lived on the Central and worked in the crisp factory, they would of been a pair of chav, useless, pissed up bounders, instead of the 'caring' parents they 'are'

and as for the fcuking Pope....

They may actually be innocent Chip & if they are fair do's, but like many others I have had my doubts for a while, it just all looks a bit suss

Who is laughing, chip

If you have a three year old child, you dont lock them in the house for Gods sake, you either stay in or take them with you, or like everything else, have I got that wrong???????

One of my points illustrated, you're calling her Madeline like you know her !

When did I joke Chip - I expressed an opinion. You are right - you can't watch them 24/7 - but you don't leave 3 young kids alone in an apartment in a foreign country & go off for dinner & check on them now & again. I have NEVER left my kids alone asleep ANYWHERE (ie I have always been in the house/apartment etc.). It's like Talbot said if they had been a couple of Chavs from central they wouldn't just be coping with an abducted child but would also be in court for leaving the kids alone & the remaining 2 would be in care as being "at risk" (& rightly so) - it fucking stinks

No I don't, what the hell has that got to do with it, and please dont insult me, I have not insulted you. I dont have Jewish family, but have a view on the Holocaust, what point are you making?

By the way Mr I, as an Opera lover I thought your 'fat get' comment on possibly one of the greatest tenors to have ever lived somewhat insensitive.

The joke is wholly based in the meda circus srrounding the McCanns, if you want it taken off, then take it off. Ask a Mod

.............and Elvis C knows me better than to take this in the manner than it was initially put up, just ask him about how I crack on with his kids when I se them, as I did with the kids in my care as a Paediatric Nurse at the General some years ago, you dont know me, dont lable me !!!!

I don't have any kids but I do find it incredible that so many people appear to have left children on their own in similar circumstances for fairly long periods of time. The way the McCanns have went on also makes a lot of people feel uncomfortable. i really hope that it was just an honest misjudgement by them and hopefully the little girl will be found safe and well but I'll never be able to get my head round why anyone would leave their kids alone for such a long period of time.....

Satire, you either get it or you don't

it's a sick joke that some find funny and some find offensive.

thats comedy for you.

me i think the whole situation is shocking and if they are covering up i find it bizarre indeed that they have conducted such a campaign.

I have a daughter and a lad and care for them massively but would never leave them alone and deffo wouldnt sedate them to make sure they didnt wake up if i did -

I hope she's found alive somewhere but the longer it goes on and the lack of evidence for others, i'm not surprised the scorchio OB have turned their attention to them.

It is of course a terrible tragedy and if innocent the parents have my utmost sympathy - 1 child taken is one too many - but regardless i still find the irony of the book cover amusing in a sick way - which is what i assume brez is trying to say.

lets hope she's found alive and they are innocent but i have massive doubts on the first one and increasing concerns re the latter.

I don't like being insulted during disagreements, or have morals questioned but will agree to disagree on this one if it puts it to bed

[quote="ElvisCsGlasses(TM Then again, I'm having the same reservations as Katcha about the family involved, don't know WHY but I am.[/quote]

Because they are not - and never have been - distraught enough!!!

You know me Elvis - I have 3 girls, I couldn't have been as calm as them, I'd be in the nuthouse by now

It just doesn't FEEL right

Same here.

The Police must think they've got some good evidence if suddenly she is a suspect after 100 days of being categorically stated as not under suspicion.

Whether they have killed their daughter or whether it really is a kidnap, I still can't get over the fact that they were leaving toddlers home alone for hours whilst those selfish gets went on their jollies. Some people are suggesting that the good Doctors were sedating their kids before going out. If this turns out to be true, that is outrageous.

If it turns out that one or both of the McCann's either accidentally or purposely killed Maddie, just think of all the people that have invested time and effort in finding her, how will they feel? Conned, thats how they'll feel. You can't go anywhere without seeing posters in cars and windows. There are thousands maybe millions of people out there that will lose trust and respect for other people for a long time. Another kick in the gonads for human nature.

me too, had an argument with the out-laws over it too...


what happened prior to the meal and the 'checking up'?
seems like a perfect alibi to me....






on the joke, theres always sick jokes about summat or other isn't there?
its a sad fact of life that these things happen, and folk will always make jokes out of em.
sometimes as a defense mechanism

I can't believe, or don't want to believe that the McCanns can be responsible for whatever has happenned to their daughter. But there has been so many cases of 'bereaved' family, appealing for information on missing or dead relatives in the past, who later turn out to be the guilty ones. If it turns out that they are 'guilty' it will surpass any of them, surely they could not have gone through all this 'media circus' if they had secrets of which none of us on this messageboard could possibly have lived with. I can just about see the humour in the start of this thread, but didn't particularly like it. But I also didn't see much humour in the remarks about Pavarotti the other day.

Don't you think it would be better to wait until we know for sure she's dead before making jokes about her death?

OK I've not been exposed to this story like most of you have so the media circus bit went straight over my head. In fact I had to look up "Mrs McMcann" to know what it was all about.
But once I had, I found this thread singularly unpleasant.
And any analogies with the Pavarotti thread are just that: analogies.
Anaolgies have a reputation for never being good ones and there's a reason for that.

I read somewhere that a great indicator for the Police is the reaction of parents in such situations when they come to make a public statement in front of the cameras. Of course that was the British Police and this case has largely been handled by the Portugese. As usual the British media has trampled all over the thing and even Private Eye has had a fortnightly page highlighting all the conflicting statements, sometimes in the same paper on different pages, that people have made. On telly, journalists are interviewing journalists. Example on telly:

'So Mrs X, you know the Murat family well??'

Mrs X: 'No, I know OF them......'

I think even though the whole situation is very sad because of the age of the little girl, and alarming to parents, the blanket coverage it's had, not least to do with the way the parents have handled it, and there comes, rightly or wrongly, a kind of compassion fatigue, which of course is what the parents are trying to combat. There is however a risk that they're diverting attention from the real issue.

Some people will just react differently. I don't think Bress is trying to make fun of Madelaine, I think that cartoon is addressed to the media. If it turns out that the parents are implicated you might as well just coat Fleet Street and Shepherds Bush with egg.

the latest from bbc from those who can't get it

Both parents of missing Madeleine McCann have been named formal suspects in her disappearance by Portuguese police, according to their lawyer.

Gerry McCann was officially given "arguido" status 24 hours after his wife Kate, Carlos Pinto de Abreu said.

He added that no bail conditions or charges had been imposed. The couple both deny any involvement.

Earlier, a family spokesman said Portuguese officers believe Kate McCann accidentally killed her daughter.

Asked whether the couple were still protesting their innocence, family spokesman David Hughes said: "They certainly are."

Mr McCann refused to speak to reporters as he left police headquarters in Portimao after eight hours of questioning.

It is understood Kate McCann refused to "cut a deal" of two years in prison in exchange for a confession.

She underwent a second day of questioning on Friday.

Under Portuguese law, police are not allowed to publicly give details of ongoing investigations.

Mr McCann's sister, Philomena, claimed the Portuguese police had offered Kate McCann a "deal" if she made a confession.

"What the Portuguese police have tried to do is get Kate to confess that she accidentally killed Madeleine," she told BBC News.

Jon Corner, a close family friend, said Kate McCann had told him officers had tried to "cut her a deal" where she would only serve two years in jail.

He added that she was feeling "very down, very low" and "deflated".

Another family representative said officers believed that traces of Madeleine's blood were in the McCanns' car, hired 25 days after she vanished.

'Ludicrous allegations'

Mr McCann arrived at the police headquarters at 1535 BST. He was not questioned with Mrs McCann, who left shortly afterwards.

The "suspect" status allows the authorities to put certain questions to Mr and Mrs McCann, and also gives her the right to remain silent.


ARGUIDO/ARGUIDA STATUS
Officially a suspect
Bestowed by police or requested by individual
Right to remain silent
Right to a lawyer
Must report to police every five days

The first formal suspect was Robert Murat, a British man living locally.

Mr and Mrs McCann have not been arrested or charged.

The couple vehemently denies any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance on 3 May.

'We will fight this'

The BBC's Richard Bilton, in Portimao, said a McCann family source had told him the questioning on Friday had been firm.

"What we have heard is that the impression Kate McCann got from the detective is that they do think she is responsible for the death of Madeleine, a thought she says is absolutely horrifying," he said.

He added that the couple had called for an independent review of the evidence.

McCann family spokesman David Hughes said: "She is suspected of accidentally killing her daughter."

Earlier another McCann representative, Justine McGuinness, said: "They [the police] believe they have evidence to show that in some way she's involved in the death of her daughter, which of course is completely ludicrous.

"They have suggested that blood has been found in a hire car that they hired 25 days after Madeleine was taken."

In his latest diary entry on a website publicising the search for Madeleine, Mr McCann wrote: "The suggestion that Kate is involved in Madeleine's disappearance is ludicrous.

"Anyone who knows anything about 3 May knows that Kate is completely innocent. We will fight this all the way and we will not stop looking for Madeleine."

Whistles and shouts

Meanwhile, friends of the family said that Mrs McCann has been told by her lawyer that she could be charged in connection with the disappearance of her daughter.

It is understood that after questioning Mrs McCann on Thursday, police said they had 22 questions they wanted to ask her during Friday's interview.

Madeleine McCann
Madeleine was last seen on 3 May

Ms McGuinness said: "Just before the session ended last night, the police made it clear they had some further questions to ask which would require her to be in arguida status rather than just witness status."

She added: "She is shocked and surprised in several ways. First of all that such an accusation could be made against her. And obviously she is concerned that such a line of investigation can become a distraction from further attempts to find Madeleine."

Samples

Madeleine, of Rothley, Leicestershire, disappeared from the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz while her parents were eating in a nearby restaurant.

Mrs McCann had been interviewed by police the day after Madeleine disappeared, but Thursday was the first time her lawyer had been present.

In a statement released before her interview on Thursday, she appealed to her daughter's abductors, saying: "It is not too late - please let her go or call the police."

She said: "We came to Portugal an ordinary family of five. We just want to know what happened on 3 May and want to be able to go home one family, reunited."

A British sniffer dog picked up the scent of a dead body in the apartment and samples, including suspected traces of blood, have been recovered from the scene.

The UK's Forensic Science Service has spent the past month analysing them.

I find the whole business very odd.

At no point did I call them child-murderers Chip

Surely everyone has the right to decide what is good or bad taste.
Or are you talking about some kind of collective judgement?

Agreed.

With posts of this type, censorship is always wrong in my opinion. You can disagree or be offended by a post and can reply as you wish. to suggest a Mod decide whether or not to delete a post is relying on one persons view of what is acceptable and everyone has different thresholds.

As to the McCanns, I hope they are innocent. I find it hard to believe that anyone on this board or 99% of the general public would have the coldness or the nounce and ingenuity to do what the police are suggesting.

You over-sedate your daughter, accidently killing her. You then (while overcome with grief I would hope) hide the body, in a strange town in a foreign country, with no planning beforehand somewhere the police, and hundreds of locals and tourist cannot find it despite extensive searches. You then conduct a highly organised public campaign, all the while knowing you are guilty, with all the strain that would entail for the two of you to throw everyone off the scent. You then, in the glare of the media spotlight, somehow find an opportunity to retrieve the body and dispose of it somewhere else, again undiscoverable.

Incredible if the police are correct.

If the Police are wrong, any credibility they have in this case will be gone.

I've been collecting in a general way.

You can't fooking move in our place for all the stuff I've collected. Some of it's still moving...

still got those cockroaches kev

No mate, they're seasonal, all gone now, just the occasional corpse dropping out of the mosquito nets.

Seems like the mouse has left home as well. It must have been getting a bit treacherous round here with a trap every six inches.

Just left with the mozzies now.....

Innocent till proven guilty? Oh, apparently it's now 'innocent till proven guilty by The Sun', and all it's retarded readers.

EDITED: Because it wasnt very pleasant.

Stcks and stones may break my bones...............etc

Aye

Indeed I do!


PS. I'm with Bresslaw on this one.

But seeing as though I don't have a daughter then somebody will say that my opinion doesn't count and that they know better.

PPS. Since when did the Moral Police take over The Bunker? Didn't I see that somebody was "on a yellow for mentioning morals"? After this thread then one or two more should be moved to that status...