They've now been given their share but a -15 point deduction.
Leeds are appealing the deduction.

http://www.leedsunited.com/page/Newsroo ... 43,00.html

if true they will go down again.

Cant see them going down, even with -15 start. But hopefully it will ensure plenty of teams finish above them and they dont make the play-offs.

I only thought they would finish mid table on 63 or 64. Take 15 off that and they are down. Plus on -15 they will give up before they start.

LOL. Leeds could be playing the Loids the next season!

Leeds squad is threadbare at best (16 first teamers I believe) and I fancied them to be down towards the bottom anyway, they are also still under a transfer embargo I think.

In other words they are now totally fooked, who is going to want to sign for them if they could sign players in that situation? It would be a major achievement if they stayed up but I really can't see it, this league isn't that much weaker than the bottom half of the Championship Sheff Wed and Forest will vouch for that and neither where is this much of a mess I doubt a club ever has been mind. You have to feel for the die hard fans.

But still

They'll appeal and get away with it because the FL won't have the bollox. Betcha!

It will be a great relief for Swindon to have climbed out of the relegation zone even at this early stage.

If it is reduced on appeal they'll have to be sharpish as if they do after the season starts there's going to be hell on!! Every team that went below them would surely kick up a stink?

good point

Its been some summer for Yorkshire terrible floods in Hull and Sheffield and now at the start of August its -15 in Leeds.........

Even without a fifteen point deduction, they will struggle with that bong eyed violent little chav pugilist in charge

Who's willing to bet that if Bates hadn't shamelessly manipulated the Administrators with his blustering threats about folding the club, this wouldn't be happening.

To me it says, 'you might have kept the club but you don't fcuk with us,' and yet again it's the supporters that bear the brunt.

I don't think they will reduce it on appeal, that'd expose them for the sackless bunch of dicks that they are, and it makes a mockery of the whole competition.

Here's my view chip:

A 15 point deduction does not hurt the money men or KPMG. And it does absolutely nothing to help our creditors. What it does do is hurt the fans - which (apart from West Ham/Tevez) is normally the way.

It's great that we have our share back - that was never really in doubt for me - but it is a miscarriage of justice that we have now been docked 25 points and have yet to do much more than what many people and all clubs do - tax avoidance.

We start the season needing 65 points to avoid relegation and 90 (which can win this league) to reach the play offs. In short Mawhinney has sentenced us to yet another relegation fight. Unless we make an absolutely blinding start to the season we are in for our roughest ride to date - have we bottomed out yet? We shall see.

Critically unless the fans show nothing but undying support for the team, Wise and those players many chose to boo this is going to be a bleak season for LUFC and the fans.

40 years I've been at it and the pain has never felt worse than it does just now mate.

difficult to see where they got 15 points from,yet again the football league make it up as they go along.I've no sympathy for ken bates,I think the guy really blew it when he got that 85k police bill for last season knocked down to 850 quid and expected them to just take it.
Hardly fair on the genuine leeds fans and where were the 15 point deductions when rotherham were pissing about a few seasons back?
interesting to see what kind of crowds leeds will get next season.

I live and work in Leeds and certainly don't want to see the club die, I know a few Leeds fans, as you'd expect and feel for them. However, 41 other clubs have had to go through the CVA process, why should Leeds United be a special case? The blame lies with Ken Bates and KPMG, not the Football League. Maybe the Leeds fans should reserve their venom for them. The other option would have been to not give Leeds their share, that would have been even more disasterous. You still have a club, you have no divine right to be in the Premier League, Football league, or anywhere else, you will still be in the Football League next season, whichever division it is. The fans are always the ones who are hit, but it has happened to other teams and now it has happened to you. What is the alternative? How could the FL have punished Bates without punishing the club? If they had done nothing how would that have been fair on all the other clubs that followed the rules?

Try your hardest to get rid of the people who are trying to manipulate the Footballing Authorities, Taxman, etc. they are the ones at fault. I do have sympathy with the decent Leeds fans but I am glad the FL have stood up to Bates' bullying though, like Tax Payer, I expect the punishment to be reduced.

If Ken Bates has done wrong take him to court. If KPMG have done wrong take them to court. Admin is a legitimate business response to bad debt and should not attract any penalty.

Just because LUFC came out of admin by a different route to a CVA doesn't make it wrong/illegal/worthy of a points deduction.

First Thatcher did for Yorkshire's finest workers and now another Tory does for Yorkshire's finest club.

To coin a phrase - this scarf kills Torys.

the Tax man was going to so Bates scrapped the CVA to avoid this



The League only allows the share to be transferred without a CVA in exceptional circumstances. Ken Bates trying to avoid paying the tax man and creditors after scrapping a CVA to me is not exceptional circumstances so I think Leeds are getting off lightly as the really shouldn't have been given their share back under current circumstances.

FL has simply found that it's rules come second to the rules of insolvency. Court case to follow!

Thanks for that helpful comment madjohn.

Let's see how our shabby 11 get's on come September. Will you be gracing us with your presence or is an away game at ER a bit beneath you?

Come on children, play nice!!

Eeeh I dunno.

You extend the olive branch of friendship to people and then other people amply sprinkle it with piss.

They're down, they know they're down, they know why, they've been battered by everyone from the Inland Revenue, through their own Chairman and now the football league, who've gone to new lengths because they simply don't know what to do.

How fookin' dead do you want 'em?? It's never been the fans fault, uppity as they have been from time to time. I can testify that the vast majority are simply pleased that they've got a football club to go and watch, they don't care where and they don't care who against. Because of that bounder Bates they very nearly didn't have.

As of two days ago yes. There was almost four months of uncertainty before that. We've been there so many times I thought there might be a bit of empathy is all.

I don't want them dead Kev, I live and work in Leeds, obviously I know Leeds fans. I was at the MillStad cheering them on in the play off final (and despite their team not turning up, their fans were brilliant) and I would much rather it was a different club in this situation to Leeds. However I just don't want yet another case of bending over backwards for the "bigger" clubs. I know the rules have rarely been applied fairly and the West Ham case is proof that they still aren't (though that was Premier League and this is Football League) but that doesn't mean it is too late to start.

So that's alright then. We'll see you in The Peacock before the game. Before then I'll ensure they get the decorators in for madjohn.

And as pooliekev says - many of us feared for our future. Most leeds fans just happy we survived. I never really doubted we would in some form or other but I do fear for us this year. We can survive but only if we get off to a cracking start. If we lose ground early on the rot will set in, manager will be sacked (yet again) and the downward spiral will continue.

That said we looked half decent yesterday against Wigan - could easily have drawn (lost 2 : 1) and, as Wigan fans have commented, a nearly full kop sang their hearts out.

You will enjoy your day out in the second city. And I for one have enjoyed passing through here from time to time. Your music threads beat anything on LUFC boards for me although I do worry that so many of you playe(ed) in bands. Is there nowt else to do up there?

Think I'll get me mohair suit out in September.

Elastica one of my best memories of the Duchess. You weren't in elastica were you chip?

Closed in 2001 and It's a hugo boss now (I think) - less shabby for sure but no real use.

He was in a band called The Field Mice
They used to come on stage dressed up.
It was like a rodent version of The Wombles

The Duchess of York is where I met Paul Simonon of The Clash during his stint in Havana 3AM.He was handing out bottles of lager to anyone who went backstage

For a second I had visions of Chip living a double life as Justine Frischmann.

Quite a looker then chip?

Leeds, the 2nd City?, you do know you can't polish a turd

It certainly was mad john. What a band they were in their prime. Now it's all got a bit maudlin for me. Last album was the first of their's I didn't buy.

Could possibly have a been a futile exercise if you had Mr Heat.

It was a greatest hits compilation from the earlier years!!

point taken kev - their penultimate album. Old IRS singles CD already on the shelf so last album a duplicate really.

It was largely yes. Much the same as 'Document' which was a cracking album but then again there was hardly any 'filler' on those albums anyway so it was difficult to cherry pick the tracks. I think they chose the live favourites.