Used to be the Party of the working class and now has transformed into a hybrid offspring of middle class values and student politics….a Party with MP’s mostly from the comfortable middle class ranks and who have no idea of what those who work or those at the bottom of the pile have to endure…because they are remote from it.
Blair has steered the Party so far from the Party’s original beliefs that we are witnessing these faceless sheep sailing under a flag of convenience…because this is what the Party has become …. a massive change for me going to the Labour Hall in Park Road Hall even as a kid on Election nights to celebrate…..those days are gone…in fact the new wave flogged off that visible sign of Labour’s presence in the town and took the voters for granted…..the Blair years were the start of the Party disengaging from the working class and expecting those people to share Blair’s vision……this shower of puzzled bluffers and excuse makers are not the Labour Party I voted for.

rightly or wrongly blair did this to be elected when the old labour party looked unelectable once. its really just the old traditional labour voters who were upset by him the most before his weapons of mass destruction.

The Labour Party - Making poor people poorer, even Starmer said it himself, we'll all be poorer up until 2030.

Starmer is a joke. Competing with Germany over who can spend the most money on preparation for war, whilst plunging the most vulnerable into poverty. Germany, re-arming itself, can you see what's happening here? Starmer presiding over a sinking economy, a society that is ripping itself apart, where its people cannot agree on anything, which is cold, wet, miserable and getting poorer and poorer, and going to get much poorer still by 2030, where every family will be worse off.

Vote for me, I'll make you poorer, said no successful political party ever

have said before that i voted tory mainly because they gave me more crumbs off the table. this is the first time i have lived with a government taking the crumbs off me. on top of that is the green policy now on steroids, the dingy people and more woke crap by the day thats being encouraged.

My version of the Labour Party died when Blair walked in Downing Street.
God forgive me for voting for Blair, but this humanoid calculating machine in charge now is beyond my comprehension of what Labour is about.

Is there a viable alternative?
Please don't say Farages private company Reform.

Spot on again Horden

There’s a dead wood pigeon in our garden I’m about to dispose of…however, I could get it stuffed and have it stand for Parliament and still do a better job….
We can’t afford not to.

[quote="Leggie43"][quote="horden"]The Labour Party - Making poor people poorer, even Starmer said it himself, we'll all be poorer up until 2030.

Starmer is a joke. Competing with Germany over who can spend the most money on preparation for war, whilst plunging the most vulnerable into poverty. Germany, re-arming itself, can you see what's happening here? Starmer presiding over a sinking economy, a society that is ripping itself apart, where its people cannot agree on anything, which is cold, wet, miserable and getting poorer and poorer, and going to get much poorer still by 2030, where every family will be worse off.

Vote for me, I'll make you poorer, said no successful political party ever[/quote]

Spot on again Horden [/quote]

This gung ho legion of the damned is like August 1914 the way they talk like excited schoolboys going off to Ukraine… to give Putin a lesson.
This deal will be done between the US and Russia…the rest is window dressing.
Our contribution is just a panto for effect.

Yes that.

The idea is it's not just us though. Russia has an economy about the size of Spain on its own. To say Europe has no power is clearly wrong.

Anyway we are getting our act together. Keep paying those taxes boys. Yeehah!

Never said it was right or noble…just weary old Realpolitik.
I do wonder how a country with so much potential and natural resources can be run so badly.

Ouch ! Did they ( the panellists ) not like that.

Gary Stevenson nails it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66OzcMla5n8

Can’t argue with that…the signs are here that the working class willl be picking up the bill while their services and income gets worse.

need to ask milliband that. a much bigger danger to us than starmer and the rest including putin.

Some green supporting woman saying the other day we have wind, tides and solar therefore we don’t need oil and gas. Some one needs to educate her that’s it’s not only fuel we get from oil, gas is used in the process.
Just Stop Oil are stopping their protests as they have succeeded in their quest, no it’s because they got little or no public support.

And the longer than anticipated jail sentences they copped….the darlings will have been expecting a mild slap on the wrist .
These clowns don’t realise that we’ll always need oil to produce plastics, pharmaceuticals, in fact an whole array of things we use in modern life like the banners and day glo jackets they use when pissing people off by blocking roads.
Milliband is the high priest head of this lunacy and this shockingly arrogant attitude that we are stating the example the world will follow is just embarrassing patronising cobblers ….. no one gives a crap about us sacrificing ourselves on the alter of Eco lunacy, the rest of the world want what our so called leaders are getting rid of.

finding someone who agrees with millipede is harder than pools finding a billionaire owner who is prepared to lose his fortune.

We do need energy independence. Not sure how we get it though. The world is so interconnected that there is bound to be some resource crisis whichever way we go.

I think the whole EV and heat pump thing is daft. Not thought through. People not living in the real world. Mind you, the airports and car showrooms are still busy so I'm not sure there's really as much of a cost of living crisis going on as there has been made out to be.

We could build more nuclear power stations and shorter term increase our gas supplies through tracking.
We don't have the infrastructure to support EVs and materials for sufficient batteries aren't available either. Hydrogen may be the way forward for vehicles but still a while away yet.
Of course the cost of living crisis is real and increasing, every thinktank and study in the country says it is. More and more people being brought into poverty says it is, just doing a weekly shop tells me it's sky rocketing and while I'm fortunate enough to be able to carry the increases many are not. And that's before Council Tax rises, energy price cap ruse, public transport costs rise, water rates rise, - all of these can't possibly be taken into consideration wrt inflation because they're all massively higher than the 2.8 official (artificial) figures.
Don't know about airport numbers, but I've only seen 3 or 4 25 plate cars this month.

Cost of living crisis for some, but there’s money out there ok…well for now.

One thing about Labour, they didn’t break any manifesto promises….probably because they didn’t actually give us any……… Oopps..Millibean promised us £300 of our energy bill by 2009…..oh dear.

Correct energy independence is the driver and yes us old folk are going to get our heads around EV,wind, solar,heat pumps etc internal combustion is 200 year old just like steam trains.

Isn't the fact that freezing tax allowances in itself a tax increase on working people? Wasn't there a manifesto pledge not to increase taxes on them? They may not have increased their rates of tax but they've definitely increased how much they pay. Don't working people pay road tax, vat, etc - all tax revenues that are increasing, aren't working people among those paying more. They're more twisty than a slinky on a helter skelter.

and how long did it take for them to be improved to the state of being both affordable and reliable. a hell of a lot longer than its been the case of the ev after they were taken seriously. they could easily be the answer in the future if governments were not in such a rush to push em onto us as if a few extra years would not make the difference by allowing manaufacturers to work at there own pace.

It's not about sustainability or green Ness, it's all about finding new ways to tax us.

They sound like Victorian politicians at the height of Empire.
Saying…’ We must set an example of political self flagellation to the lesser people of the world for them to follow..our shining example.will have the lesser people rushing to join our crusade against common sense and join us in self inflicted misery.”

Gladstone D Millibean ..Prime Minister.

I am surprised more people haven’t realised this, my small PP gets taxed more year on year, at this rate it won’t worth nowt in a few years.

For those with gaps in their NI records, might be worth filling this form in.

https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/request-a-cal ... ntact-form

Deadline is the end of next week, but if you submit the above form, they will contact you in 6-8 weeks time which in effect increases the deadline date!