On the news this morning that Starmer is looking at processing failed asylum seekers in the Balkans….wasn’t that what Rwanda was, processing them overseas?
What happened to ‘smashing the gangs’ …. Starmer ain’t exactly Elliot Ness is he when it comes down to it.

Laughable, we are going to throw away another few million pounds, the U.K. Government has asked Rwanda for the money back or some of it. The French are not doing anything to discourage them but still accepting millions but nothing has changed.

Worst PM in my lifetime, worse than Johnson and Truss, and that's saying something, an absolute weapon.

Worst PM in my lifetime too, Trump's envoy Wiftcoff is absolutely correct, 'Winston' Starmer is nothing more than a poser without substance. He attempts to come across as a great statesman but everything he touches turns to shite and the issues that he is afraid to touch continue to degenerate. The problem is that even if he was disposed of there is an absolute airhead waiting to step in.

He has his principles, but if they don’t fit, he has others….to fit the occasion.
As slippery as an eel in a oil tank.

Who was the best PM in your lifetime then ?
Worse than Johnson who was partying it up while people were locked down, the Queen was a forlorn lonely figure at her husbands funeral, he lied to Parliament and the Queen.
Tell me what good he ever done in his tenure.
Truss collapsed the economy to the extent the Bank of England had to bail the country out and at the same time interest rates soared.
Are the current centralist almost conservative Labour Party any better than the Tory government of 14 years, they are less than year into their tenure and have made some unpopular decisions and I think there will be more to come in Wednesdays budget.
The U.K. is currently trillion of pounds in debt, ok the Labour Party are going the wrong way about it but I am sure if it was a Tory government they would have had to make some tough unpopular decisions as well.

T BH I don’t think Starmer like most politicians could lie straight in bed, it’s inbred in them,

does show how nad starmer is when at best he,d come a bad third behind those two. the covid era was bad but feel it would have been even worse under starmer and labour with us having more restrictions on our lives and it going on even longer.

I normally respect your views Mr Horden, however
Worse than Johnson and TRUSS - (to quote mad Lizzy - 'that is a Disssgrathe!'

then it goes to which one has been the best since the 60,s when some got there first chance to vote and any other who were worse than the three names mentioned. I,d guess there were some who failed as well as improved our lot but still feel a lot of the stuff that wind us up now was born in the blair years and still feel he has some power from the outside.

Letting one’s Part loyalties show by comparing you poor Party to the previous poor Party is just a deflection and not an answer.
A bit like saying I voted for Pol Pot but Hitler was worse,
They’re both useless.

Blair was the start of this descent into madness…when those in power detached themselves from the people and chased other goals.

Whilst I was no lover of Thatcher, she went too far to destroy the unions because they brought a Tory government down, she took no sh** from anyone but was eventually brought down by her own party.

If i hear the 14 years in power blah blah blah one more time!!

The Tory Party is the cream of society, rich, thick and full of clots.

Totally agree and it takes some doing considering the rest have all been total dogshit.

Yes but never heard you having a go at Johnson, Truss, Sunak etc .

Left wing conservative.

yes a broken record now even if parts of those years, especially some of the earlier ones were not as bad as the last 5 and a half years have been.

They plan for all these situations well in advance. And have a never ending prodution line of government test dummies coming directly from the factories in Oxford or Cambridge. The only noticeable difference is some dummies get a red shirt and others a blue shirt but all programmed to carry on the same mission.

There was always an obvious gulf between the 2 main parties until Blair brought New Labour to the country and completely blurred the differential line. Now they're all the same, party first, me second, then my mates, then the scum that's left.
Starmer is a f*cking joke trying to play the big statesman while the country goes down the shitter. Way, way out of his depth and yet there's no obvious candidate from any party to do a better job which is worrying!

This mockery of a Labour Government fooled the electorate and themselves into believing they could think into reality what the wanted to occur.
They arrived in office with ideas far removed from what’s expected of a Labour Government and lived in their own little world of alternative wishful thinking instead of actual facts.

5 and half years..Are they still bleating about Boris's wine and cheese party??...Do they ever move on?

PIP eligibility and the changes are going put a few noses out..i know of a few who get it and don't really need it judging by their activities and others who you would think would be eligible and get turned down..Be interesting too see how tough they get.

Would you if you had lost a loved one during covid and couldn’t even attend the funeral ?

Bottom line is Labour of old would have gone after more taxes from the wealthy and left the most vulnerable alone this Labour is like a reverse Robin Hood taking from the old and infirm and leaving the wealthy alone.
Starmer is a total non-entity leading a 3rd world country into oblivion.

If anyone thinks hes in charge of this Goverment?Country, Then think again.

Both my parents were in nursing homes during covid, i could have a conversation with both of them before covid,not after when i could first visit...All the Labour party did during covid was bang on about the Party at Downing street.. and little else.

But it's OK to condemn tens of thousands of pensioners to poverty and / or an early death, and it's OK to take benefits from those that do actually need them?
Surely the priorities should be go after corporate and individual tax evaders, tax the wealthy more, cut down on civil service and public service bloat, to protect the vulnerable in society? It really makes me wonder if we're on the slippery slope towards compulsory euthanasia once you become a net receiver from society (will obviously not apply to the elites and political classes).

That was the way of the old Labour Party, tax the rich and look after the working class, now it’s the opposite. The Labour and Tories might as well amalgamate into one party now.

Spot on Gray it's a gravy train full of so called politicians for the PEOPLE. Problem is they are not driving the train merely passengers on the " fook the population express "

Did Starmer and his chums think that way too when basing themselves in Durham for the Hartlepool by-election with beer gate……,Starmer who chose as candidate the master mind of cutting our hospital services to ribbons, that’s either dumb or arrogant

Starmer had a real opportunity to give Labour a sustained period in power. With the implosion of the tories and the defections to Reform they could have rules for two or three parliaments. Now Sunak looks far more credible as his predictions were spot on. At the next election with Renrick as leader (Badenock is already on her way out) the Conservatives only have to settle their differences with Sir Nigel to regain power.

Starmer has turned every facet and class of Britain against Labour.

Well Kettering likewise I respect your views BUT horden is spot on yet again in my humble opinion.

Yes agree 100% and that's coming from a lifelong Labour supporter. If it barks and walks on 4 legs it's a dog. It really is time for people to defend the country not the actors otherwise we are ALL FOOKED including our kids and grankids.

How fooking weird that we give 5 billion to Ukraine then take it back off the poorest people in the land. We have crooks in every level of society so better to start at the top and work down to show everyone you mean to be firm but fair. It's madness the amount of hand outs to other countries that he is now punishing our people for total madness. Started at the bottom by punishing pensioners ( most worked all their lives and made massive contributions ) yet fook them. Now starting on the poorest...what next I bet a pound to a penny the big crooks will be left totally alone to take more and pay less. How things have changed from his pledges...Thinks we are all stupid by playing the 22 billion deficit crap. The scariest thing is some actually still believe that's the case.

Yes pretty much already guaranteed there'll not be another Labour government for possibly a generation and as Jamie keeps telling g us they've only been in power 5 minutes!!

You must cringe every time you see the likes of Rayner and Reeves giving an interview,Mutley.?? ....

A bit like saying I voted for Pol Pot but Hitler was worse,
They’re both useless. [/quote]


If i hear the 14 years in power blah blah blah one more time!! [/quote]
yes a broken record now even if parts of those years, especially some of the earlier ones were not as bad as the last 5 and a half years have been.[/quote]

5 and half years..Are they still bleating about Boris's wine and cheese party??...Do they ever move on? [/quote]

Would you if you had lost a loved one during covid and couldn’t even attend the funeral ?[/quote]
Did Starmer and his chums think that way too when basing themselves in Durham for the Hartlepool by-election with beer gate……,Starmer who chose as candidate the master mind of cutting our hospital services to ribbons, that’s either dumb or arrogant [/quote]

You must have been gutted when he was found not guilty Snowy, I am sure you will come up with a reason why he should have been hung, drawn and quartered.

You need to watch Gary Stevensons vlogs on wealth inequality, this his opinion.

The combination of rising asset prices for the rich and forthcoming job losses for the poor is an absolute disaster. And it’ll be in real terms a humanitarian disaster for most people as well. Therefore, now is an unbelievable opportunity to change the way the rich are taxed, and to introduce a wealth tax.

Gary was a successful trader at Citibank, but decided to leave the position in 2014. Since leaving Gary has focused on conducted research and educating people around wealth inequality. Gary currently runs and operates multiple social media channels dedicated to educating others and sharing his extensive knowledge on economics. Gary has actively been advocating for a wealth tax in the past years,

What Labour Party, there isn’t one currently, just another centralist Tory party.

Then the circus starts again one politician blaming the other for all the years of austerity, it’s just a merry go round playing politics with people’s lives.

How you have the brass neck to defend Starmer every time he gets criticised yet illogically this is the man who in YOUR ‘mind’ has destroyed the Party by as you describe it making it ‘centralist Tory…..that is contradictory jibber jabber

Just stop trying to trying to pass the buck so clumsily.is that the new line from head office?

They are a shambles and they are Blair’s disciples…..the old Labour Party remodelled on his lines.

Bloody hell talking about stopping free school meals for infants now - hammer the old, the very young, the invalid, what next from this Starmer led government (regardless of party Jamie)!! Even Thatcher wasn't as ruthless or as unscrupulous as Sir Keir.

No....I cringe everytime I see you have posted some drivel knowing it was me back in the day that stopped you from getting banned off here.

That post in itself is utterly cringeworthy!

He never got charged because the Police saw he done nothing illegal.

Don't have to know what went on in the past, your post is in itself 100% cringeworthy.

I never thought you were that naive……. If you can’t see the irony I’m not gonna try.

More cringeworthy by the post, stop digging a hole and making yourself look even sillier.