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 Post subject: Murty
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:10 pm 
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Seems to be a few mackems on twitter thinking he's coming to pools. Certainly wouldn't be my first choice, pretty limited management experience and mainly worked within youth football. Done well with Sunderland u21s but we all know how different that football is to the national league.


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
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Turner was the Youth Coach at Wolves before being appointed the Pools manager.


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
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He managed Rangers in the Scottish top flight, he must have something about him and very well thought of at sunderland.


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
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Chris turner was a great appointment at the time you knew instantly in his first interview what he was talking about, think most got a good vibe off him. Whoever appointed billy bullshitter car salesman should of been shot. Most fans saw through it immediately, infact i think all fans did.


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
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Didn't last long with Rangers though!. Who knows how anyone would work out I suppose


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
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bobby lemonade wrote:
He managed Rangers in the Scottish top flight, he must have something about him and very well thought of at sunderland.

That's the good bit on paper but getting dicked twice by Celtic obviously did for him. Does sound like he's on the way so really got to hope this is his level and the chance he's been waiting for. From what I've read about him, he's done a bit of media stuff over the last few years, so you'd have thought his communication will be a vast improvement on Sarll, if nothing else.
Fingers crossed for a good un - we're surely due a bit of luck.


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
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The only reason why he left Rangers was because they knew they had Gerrard lined up and a small chest of cash to give him for the transfer. Should Gerrard dismissed them he would of no doubt seen his tenure made longer. Hes a cracking bloke and by all accounts a good man manager with the younger lads so should bode well. Id imagine he has a better tactical head on him than DS and knows how to win a football match as hes been doing it successfully at one of the best youth teams in the land. If he feels he can steady and steer the ship here im all for him. Hell we might even get some decent football played by our better players now


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 10:17 am 
Bloody hell my dog Jess has a better tactical head than Sarl!!


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
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Eiphos_3 wrote:
The only reason why he left Rangers was because they knew they had Gerrard lined up and a small chest of cash to give him for the transfer. Should Gerrard dismissed them he would of no doubt seen his tenure made longer. Hes a cracking bloke and by all accounts a good man manager with the younger lads so should bode well. Id imagine he has a better tactical head on him than DS and knows how to win a football match as hes been doing it successfully at one of the best youth teams in the land. If he feels he can steady and steer the ship here im all for him. Hell we might even get some decent football played by our better players now


What 'tenure'? He was a caretaker twice - Rangers never offered him the job and were never going to based on his record against Celtic. As for doing well with a Championship youth team - we've been there before with Grame Lee.

Not saying he's got nowt to recommend him, but if it comes to a choice between him and a manager who's had genuine success in the NL/League 2 (not a couple of near misses like the last chancer) I know what I'd prefer.


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
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Flying Hogans wrote:
Eiphos_3 wrote:
The only reason why he left Rangers was because they knew they had Gerrard lined up and a small chest of cash to give him for the transfer. Should Gerrard dismissed them he would of no doubt seen his tenure made longer. Hes a cracking bloke and by all accounts a good man manager with the younger lads so should bode well. Id imagine he has a better tactical head on him than DS and knows how to win a football match as hes been doing it successfully at one of the best youth teams in the land. If he feels he can steady and steer the ship here im all for him. Hell we might even get some decent football played by our better players now


What 'tenure'? He was a caretaker twice - Rangers never offered him the job and were never going to based on his record against Celtic. As for doing well with a Championship youth team - we've been there before with Grame Lee.

Not saying he's got nowt to recommend him, but if it comes to a choice between him and a manager who's had genuine success in the NL/League 2 (not a couple of near misses like the last chancer) I know what I'd prefer.

i,d even drop below our level if there was an obvious up and coming young manager who was hungry for success. not saying anyway we should go for the brackley manager but man for man we had better players but he won by the tactics they used as well as the players attitudes.


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 11:35 am 
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Graham Murty
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Rangers (caretaker) 10 February 2017 13 March 2017 6 3 1 2 50.00

Rangers (MANAGER) 26 October 2017 29 April 2018 29 18 2 9 62.07

Total 35 21 3 11 W% 60.00
And then Rangers Shafted him.

Sunderland have a fair few kids in their ranks(1st Team) is that down to him, Who knows.
Would we like a HAS BEEN from the NatLge/Two are someone trying to make a name for himself.
Maybe Graham Lee would still be here if he had not tried to tell Raj how to do things.


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
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Flying Hogans wrote:
Eiphos_3 wrote:
The only reason why he left Rangers was because they knew they had Gerrard lined up and a small chest of cash to give him for the transfer. Should Gerrard dismissed them he would of no doubt seen his tenure made longer. Hes a cracking bloke and by all accounts a good man manager with the younger lads so should bode well. Id imagine he has a better tactical head on him than DS and knows how to win a football match as hes been doing it successfully at one of the best youth teams in the land. If he feels he can steady and steer the ship here im all for him. Hell we might even get some decent football played by our better players now


What 'tenure'? He was a caretaker twice - Rangers never offered him the job and were never going to based on his record against Celtic. As for doing well with a Championship youth team - we've been there before with Grame Lee.

Not saying he's got nowt to recommend him, but if it comes to a choice between him and a manager who's had genuine success in the NL/League 2 (not a couple of near misses like the last chancer) I know what I'd prefer.


I must have miss read He was Manager, Then just like Kevin Phillis Rangers shafted him.


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
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Eiphos_3 wrote:
The only reason why he left Rangers was because they knew they had Gerrard lined up and a small chest of cash to give him for the transfer. Should Gerrard dismissed them he would of no doubt seen his tenure made longer. Hes a cracking bloke and by all accounts a good man manager with the younger lads so should bode well. Id imagine he has a better tactical head on him than DS and knows how to win a football match as hes been doing it successfully at one of the best youth teams in the land. If he feels he can steady and steer the ship here im all for him. Hell we might even get some decent football played by our better players now


Exactly. But some, Have already made up their minds, Which they are entitled to do.
But should not rubbish others opinions.


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
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Grayhoundend wrote:
Eiphos_3 wrote:
The only reason why he left Rangers was because they knew they had Gerrard lined up and a small chest of cash to give him for the transfer. Should Gerrard dismissed them he would of no doubt seen his tenure made longer. Hes a cracking bloke and by all accounts a good man manager with the younger lads so should bode well. Id imagine he has a better tactical head on him than DS and knows how to win a football match as hes been doing it successfully at one of the best youth teams in the land. If he feels he can steady and steer the ship here im all for him. Hell we might even get some decent football played by our better players now


Exactly. But some, Have already made up their minds, Which they are entitled to do.
But should not rubbish others opinions.


Since when is "not saying he's got nowt to recommend him" rubbishing anything? I'd prefer someone with experience of men's football nearer Pools' level and have said so. As you say, it's all about opinions.


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
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Jamie1952 wrote:
Turner was the Youth Coach at Wolves before being appointed the Pools manager.


If I remember correctly, Turner managed Orient before he came to Pools although he didnt pull up any trees with them.
So he had experience of managing in the Football League before he came to Pools.


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
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Turner had one season as joint manager of Orient with John Sitton, before going back into youth team manager roles with Leicester and then Wolves, under Mark McGhee.

Murty had most of a season in charge at Rangers, with a win percentage of 62%, but they didn’t give him much to work with and were always courting a big name manager and keeping as much money back as possible to attract someone high-profile. Gerrard came in, was given millions to spend, and achieved a win percentage of 63%. 1% higher with loads more money.

Nothing guarantees success when coming to Pools, but he seems to know what he’s doing.

In terms of other managers who have had success in this league, of the suggested names, only Matt Gray has won promotion from this league, but his style is very similar to Sarll. Pete Wild has never achieved a promotion. Greening has had a promotion in a lower league.

Besides, Askey won this league previously and he didn’t work out here either.

Murty seems as good as anyone, at least he’ll be enthusiastic, positive and will try to get them playing on the deck.


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
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Also dont want that bloke from Sutton...Matt Gray?--he was hoofball on steroids


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
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Flying Hogans wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
Eiphos_3 wrote:
The only reason why he left Rangers was because they knew they had Gerrard lined up and a small chest of cash to give him for the transfer. Should Gerrard dismissed them he would of no doubt seen his tenure made longer. Hes a cracking bloke and by all accounts a good man manager with the younger lads so should bode well. Id imagine he has a better tactical head on him than DS and knows how to win a football match as hes been doing it successfully at one of the best youth teams in the land. If he feels he can steady and steer the ship here im all for him. Hell we might even get some decent football played by our better players now


Exactly. But some, Have already made up their minds, Which they are entitled to do.
But should not rubbish others opinions.


Since when is "not saying he's got nowt to recommend him" rubbishing anything? I'd prefer someone with experience of men's football nearer Pools' level and have said so. As you say, it's all about opinions.


It most certainly is, I love opinions, Thrive on them. But Never disrespect them :wink:
Although i also think imo, He would be a fool to come to this basket case, imo.


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 Post subject: Re: Murty
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[quote="Mctee1908"]Turner had one season as joint manager of Orient with John Sitton,


They did a fly on the wall documentary - which is fucking hilarious - it's on YouTube

Sitton properly loses his shit at half time and sacks one of the players on the spot who foolishly starts talking back. Tells him to 'bring his lunch with him as he's going to knock him out!'
Tubby is in the background- but has the nous to hold his tongue when he realises the cameras are rolling.

Sitton never worked in football again and I believe he is now a black cabbie in the smoke! Saw a programme about it a few years ago

Quite sad really, as I'm sure lots of managers have lost their shit, (old Fergie was renowned for the hairdryer treatment at Manure and who would have given Cloughy cheek at Forest) but haven't been basically black listed.

Some people have been known to put it down to society and evolution! bbolt


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They did something similar at Peterborough- when Steve Bleasdale was manager and Barry Fry was the owner. Think it was called 'Ron Manager'.

Fat Ron Atkinson was brought in as an advisor and it basically turned into carnage. They had a centre half (whose name escapes me- think it was Sean Ledger) though remember he went on to play for Preston and borer, he was a right shit stirrer and would look to undermine 'Bleo' the manager at every opportunity.

The programme went on for weeks and sure it ended up with Bleo getting axed, Barry Fry remortgaged his house and then managed to sell the club to Darragh McAntony who ploughed loads of money in and appointed young Fergie as manager.


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Kettering Poolie wrote:
They did something similar at Peterborough- when Steve Bleasdale was manager and Barry Fry was the owner. Think it was called 'Ron Manager'.

Fat Ron Atkinson was brought in as an advisor and it basically turned into carnage. They had a centre half (whose name escapes me- think it was Sean Ledger) though remember he went on to play for Preston and borer, he was a right shit stirrer and would look to undermine 'Bleo' the manager at every opportunity.

The programme went on for weeks and sure it ended up with Bleo getting axed, Barry Fry remortgaged his house and then managed to sell the club to Darragh McAntony who ploughed loads of money in and appointed young Fergie as manager.


It was that documentary that persuaded McAntony to invest in Peterborough. He said at the time he loved the honesty and dedication of Fry and wanted to stop him losing his house etc. He even quarenteed Fry a job for life and the rest is history. Must be one of the only football clubs to have made millions since he took over. He totally understands how to make good deals when buying and particularly when selling players. Not everyone likes the bloke because he says it as it is but cannot fault his owership. :laugh:


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Doesn't look like he's just been out on the lash.
Rangers and Sunderland on his CV
Hasn't just came off the rec.
Sounds like 100% improvement already

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Reg wrote:
Born in north east
Doesn't look like he's just been out on the lash.
Rangers and Sunderland on his CV
Hasn't just came off the rec.
Sounds like 100% improvement already


I see you are setting a very high bar. :wink:


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Why would murty give up a good secure job to take on a basket case


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Are we any worse than when Challinor arrived?
There'll be plenty wanting the job that's for sure, a good spell here could lead to much better things for a lower league coach / manager.


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Why would murty give up a good secure job to take on a basket case


I guess the idea would be "If you can be successful at Pools you can manage anywhere in the lower half of the pyramid." Of course the other side of the coin is that if you fook up at Pools the trajectory is downward only.


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Are we any worse than when Challinor arrived?
There'll be plenty wanting the job that's for sure, a good spell here could lead to much better things for a lower league coach / manager.

back in the days when clubs advertised for a new manager even the basket case league clubs like rochdale were got about 40 sensible applicants to pick from. surely that would be a better system to use than the one we seem to use as there cpuld be a good candidate out there who is off the radar.


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Are we any worse than when Challinor arrived?
There'll be plenty wanting the job that's for sure, a good spell here could lead to much better things for a lower league coach / manager.


DC proof of that.
He's been rewarded for it and deserves credit for what I'm sure will beat long successful career.


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