Trust latest statement spot on as usual
While sarll needed sacking the club is a farce behind the scenes with zero transparency and accountability
This supposed board is a joke and a very implausible fig leaf covering up the guy who has the real power

Focus should be on pushing him (not abusing) to sell up and give someone else a crack

Sell up to who? He's said numerous times the club is for sale, but he's obviously not willing to walk away without what he feels is fair recompense.
There is not, never has been, and never will be a queue of people with bags of money knocking on his door.
The focus now should be 100% on getting behind the team in an effort to get us where we want to be. This squad under competent management should be more than capable of achieving the play-offs still. Driving Raj to throw his toys out of the pram could see us relegated 4 or 5 Leagues the day after. I'd hope that everyone of us doesn't want to see that.
Remember Darlo used to get better gates than us yet are now playing at Blackwell Meadows in front of barely 1200 supporters and are still 2 divisions below efl after 12 years - even if they make NL this is a godawful division to get promoted from as we well know. Assuming we'd still get our present level of support even 4 Leagues down, or even that we'd be able to afford to stay at the Vic is fairytale stuff imo.
Raj will go eventually and I doubt he'll be sorely missed by anyone but the message now has to be of renewed hope now that the dark cloud of Sarll has passed.

Read the trust statement, genuine offers have been made….if the club loses value and everytime he shows up he’s greeted with chants of ‘get out of our club’ and ‘we want Singh out’ he may finally see sense….again a big diff between personal abuse and asking for accountability, no place for the former but we shouldn’t confuse it with the latter.

Darlo don’t have their own ground….as I say read the trust statement, there is no ‘renewed hope’ really while we still have an unaccountable owner and a fake board in front of him avoiding transparency

Agree that the club is not in a good place generally but this is hardly the best time to hammer Raj Singh and the board. The turmoil that Sarll has created will take time to resolve both on and off the pitch at a difficult time of the season. IMO the fans need to get behind the players, LL in the short term and the new (hopefully experienced, compotent - AND intelligent) team manager for the remainder of the 24/25 season.

Sarll going is an obvious plus….but without transparency where are we truly headed ?
Am sure the next 5 or 6 games will dictate people’s attitudes, in theory some good players are here, let’s see if we can turn that into results and stability

The Trust may be right in saying genuine offers have been made but the man who decides if they're sufficient hasn't been I terested in any apart from the offers made by the Consortium. The Trust were asked to try and help find a buyer and couldn't find any I dividual willing to do so and so the Consortium was formed - doesn't that tell us that finding a buyer is difficult? Finding buyers who'll meet his terms and conditions more difficult again.
Trying to force him out on our terms is a very dangerous game and could easily lead to the death of Pools.
Far better to get behind the team on matchdays as we'll be a far more attractive purchase if we can get some success on the pitch. Play offs and FA Trophy final would do for me.

We don’t own our ground either, we’re tenants too.
We just happen to be tenants in a proper ground and hopefully a long lease.

Before we start rocking any boats let's see who the new manager is and the backing he gets before we get the sabres out of their scabbards.

Genuine offers but not generous enough for Raj Singh, he can’t be losing money or he would just offload it to the best offer and cut his losses.

I hear what you are saying but isn’t this revolving door/smokes and mirrors approach what’s been happening since challinor, the managers change but the overall architect of this abject decline remains

yet again if the team and the manager were doing their jobs and say we were 4th in the league and looking forward to round 1 in the cup this topic would not have been brought up. its as if ousting raj is some sort of magic bullet that would bring success for the club. got to remember we have had worse and how many gave him any credit when we got promoted. i,d love to see a change of ownership with someone more able and willing to back the club more but its harder than finding a new manager who will improve the team to do so.

thats getting close to saying he has done it all on purpose and has some cunning plan to see the demise of pools.

Not at all, he deserves credit for the first few years but post challinor he has made some catastrophic decisions and refused to be accountable for them, and is now at the stage where he clearly doesn’t want to be here and his heart isn’t in it

He deserves praise for saving the club and criticism for ruining it again through bad decision making and stubbornness…..he can’t articulate what his plan is for the club and we are just trudging along worse year after year

I will be very surprised if whoever takes over is also manager at the start of next season and it will be back to forlorn hope on a reduced budget as the cycle continues

In what way has he not been accountable? Apart from writing off his debt and walking away, what do you want him to do differently?
He's even stated that he's stepping back and letting others get on with running the club, that may be why Sarlls sacking was a "board" decision?

There is no successful future until Singh goes. Nobody in football trusts him, he’s keen to get out, he’s got a massive chip on his shoulder and he makes a stream of terrible decisions. At best, Pools will go through the motions and just about exist until he goes.

Depending on how greedy he is will decide what happens after that.


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But he also hired Challinor….I suspect he was actually too fast in firing some managers.
Challinor had a rough patch at the start of the promotion season but he stuck with him.

Whole heartedly AGREE

Now is not the time to hammer Raj

They've acted as we all hoped they would and need to see where we go from here- Uncle Darren was given all the tools- he was just devoid of any idea of how to use them properly.

Maybe he couldn’t find the instructions.

This.

It was a minor miracle that the Trust found a group of investors willing to make an offer to give Raj actual money for selling. Club is in close to 4 million in debt, loses more than half a million a year. Rents an old beat up ground, owns nothing, has a team that loses to 6th tier teams.

Who in the world would pay Raj for that? Only someone with really big money and the number of people from or connected to the town with really big money you can count on less than one hand.

There's no right or wrong answer here but when is a good time to hammer him? Others have said the same or similar on this thread, so same question to them. Under what circumstances should we be more proactive in airing our frustrations?

Also this.

Every time we hit a shit spell the DEBT gets panned out and we should be eternally grateful to the great man.
Even when we megarly underachieving.
It's a vicious circle of going nowhere fast.

People petrified of change.

To be continued!!!!

I get that people just want to consider matters regarding the team. I respect that, it took some time but I got there.

So you gents who do think like that probably need to scroll past because people are worried and wish to discuss it. We are up shit creek existence-wise. I don't know all that much about the subject but it seems to me that...

There are two ways Raj could go. The club goes pop and he gets to walk away. Cheers easy.

Or

He sells the club. To do so he has to make it sellable. The debt alone is probably worth more than the club. So he is going to have to write some/all of it off out of his own pocket and/or sell the club for a quid.

Anything is of course POSSIBLE but I think we all know which is scarily more LIKELY.

I'd say 100% everyone wants change and we're getting change where it matters most and that's the manager who's responsible for team selection, tactics, style of football etc - everything g that is currently wrong at present.
Change of owner would be nice, but who would care if he manages to unearth the manager who gets us promoted? He's done it before. But the prospect of change of owner with administration and relegation is terrifying surely?

The only way Pools survives without either an administration or liquidation is if Singh is prepared to accept significantly less for the club than he is owed, or indeed is prepared to write off what he is owed altogether. He was not prepared to do either of these at Darlo.

Both of those of course also require somebody with the necessary funding to take over HUFC to want to come and deal with him.


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In the short term yes. It is what mattered most but the elephant is still in the room and is getting bigger. It's nice to be distracted from his presence but his growth and his lurking persists. Sooner ot later we will run out of time.

Takes over the club eventually gets back to EFL.
Shit load of cash generated with the feel good factor n cup runs.
Hit a bad spell n the takeover was a loan. Turned into DEBT.

Clubs more likely to change hands for the better if our team plays to its potential in this piss poor division. And goes up.
Wordage eh.
What will be will be.

True, if we can get someone to pull this team together and make it a viable product to prospective buyers, we have more chance of Raj selling up.
So wouldn’t it make sense for him to splash the cash and get a decent manager on board…?

To a limited degree yes but the figures will be the major factor.

Splash the cash or splash the debt?

Be interesting to see what happens as the season ticket money runs out

Chance of cup run gone
Attendances dwindling
Parachute money fully gone at end of season

Surely at some point Singh will come to terms around what a sunk cost is and sell up?
Or will it take relegation to conf north for him to get it through his thick skull he’s not getting all his money back

The fans n sponsors and sky have put a shit load of cash into Pools under this tenure.
So lets not be mugged into this phantom that millions are owed to Sing.
Maybe he can find his tongue n let us know whats actually going on.

You're assuming he could read Snowy!

He certainly couldn't read a room or a stand full of irate Poolies- who were even telling him that was the case. Which frankly is like going to the Opticians for an eye test- Starting with the MASSIVE letter A and getting it wrong!

Maybe his eyes had turned into Pickled Onions!

Sing was invited onto radio Tees tonight but declined the offer.

I don't know is this is correct, but my memory seems to think Raj would be involved with the redevelopment of the area around the ground when the baths is knocked down. Didn't he sign some agrement with the council to this effect. If that is the case he has an interest in being involved until end of 25/26 season. Unless he gets a fantastic offer. Would the council dare to include the Vic in the redevelopment plans?

Could not have been summarised better.

Also Loyal was trying to say that despite having manager after manager, there is a consistent theme of utter incompetency at the club. The buffoonery is not just coming from the managers office. It is coming from the top.

I don't know why anyone is still quaking about upsetting Raj. We're screwed anyway unless he compromises on his stupid sale terms.

Never understood our Internet fans shit-scared to tell it how it is in fear of the situation could get worse.
Quite comical We at the worst point in the club's history but let's keep it that way.

One or two or three won't like that.
May even get anutha warning not to rock the Bunker boat again.

Ain't me makeing these results. I just give my views/reasons why.

This isnt going to end well. I dont see how it can.

To be fair to Raj he has supported the club as im sure it runs at a loss and he pays that loss while adding it to the debt he is owed.
He made a mistake getting rid of KP and bringing in DS but it was only in pre season when Adam Campbell etc signed that everyone was positive generally. Raj took a million out the year after the sport england loan of just over that according to the reports on companies house and that really was the time it needed investment to stabilize in the FL. That really means that he took the loan and paid it to himsel. For that we have to be angry but from his perspective it was probably a risk worth taking to get back the money he had put in since he took over.

Where we are now though is bleak for him and for us.

Oh it’s bad, in relative terms… but not the worst time in the clubs history by a country mile.
1,000+ crowds and away wins as rare as lottery wins was bad.

I understand it but there is nothing to gain any more. There is nothing to preserve, it is on borrowed time. Sad in a way, just when we had a few good players wearing the shirts. I've been harsh on Raj, his player recruitment team did OK. Overall though I think we need him to move the club on.

I get you but it's like saying that stabbing is better than crucification. Wonderful race the Romans.

It isn’t really about opinions about whether he’s good or bad or whatever it’s just about what are the possible end games here.

1. He stays years in to the future and is happy to continue to put his personal money in year after year, or he could reduce the costs so much he stops losing as much.

2. He finds someone either willing to pay him back what he is owed or enough of what he is owed to satisfy him and he hands it over to them.

3. He eventually puts the club in to administration and then we see whether anyone will come in and take it on at that stage or the club is liquidated.

At the moment I guess he’s reluctantly pursuing (1), at least for the time being. He’s been trying to find someone for (2) for a while now with no success. You could argue “if he invested more we’d get 5000 crowds and be profitable” - let’s be honest he ain’t going to do that as there’s no guarantees and it likely leads to him losing even more.

If you can see any other ways this ends I’m all ears.


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You’ve summed it up nicely and proved that there are no obvious easy options anywhere, apart from new owners…..and that’s another mystery wrapped in an enigma.

It'll happen eventually we've just got to hope that it's not as a result of administration or insolvency.
As for worst time in our history, maybe if you're 8 years old or so. We were close to shutting up shop not so long ago. Further back we had blanket and bucket collections on matchdays to pay things like laundry bills, we've had players not being paid for weeks on end, and winding up orders which went to the High Court. So no not the worst time, not even close. Things can only get better (fingers crossed).

I remember periods of the Vince Barker years being particularly grim, and quite a bit worse than now. Players being paid in 50p pieces from gate money, and the pitch was atrocious, re elections and the time when Vince tried to sell the club and up sticks to Scarborough.

It isn't really useful to talk about things that happened decades ago. It is a false perspective. It rightly would not detract from the problems or be helpful if people were told at least they're not being rationed, bombed or sent to war.

It's not about POSSIBLE solutions either. Lots of ways forward are possible. Only some of them are LIKELY. I don't see a rosey Raj future being one of them.

I totally agree, but it isn't useful either to say this is the worst it's ever been. It's just untrue.

Nor is it useful to talk about Raj needing to compromise on his stupid sale terms

a) because we don't know that his terms are indeed stupid

b) why should he compromise on what he believes he's owed? I'm sure all of us if owed money wouldn't compromise on the amount to repay the debt, similarly if you were overdrawn to the bank do you think they'd accept a compromise payment, not a chance they'd have the house you live in and the shirt off your back.

Fair one.

Fair point. He could be an utter prick about it all and it all could end up bad for us but why should he compromise eh?