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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:23 pm 
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With the new mine in Cumbria taken to the High Court by green activists….imagine what would happen if back in the 80’s green activists turned up outside colliery gates demanding the closure and blocking the entrance to the shift coming on …..I ‘d go for carnage. :laugh:

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What type of coal was it and which industry was it going to be used?

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Irrelevant…coal is coal.

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Bluestreak wrote:
What type of coal was it and which industry was it going to be used?


Non-imported coal to be used by the industry that currently imports it


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Just come off a walk on the beach at Blackhall Rocks, plenty of coal still knocking about and an 8ft sea monster on the beach, looks like a killer whale or large dolphin...

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The coal was going to be used for steel production, it must have been going to exported because the U.K. has very few steel production plants, I can’t see the problem if it was going to be exported


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Who gives a flying fuck about the coal. I wanna know how the miners of the 80’s would have handled the climate warriors trying to get rid of their jobs.

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Considering there are only 4 Green Party MPs they appear to wield a lot of power and influence.


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The specialist coal for use in steam locos was produced in South Wales but is now imported.

Some light reading.

https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-15 ... l-12589865

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthracite

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Snowy wrote:
Who gives a flying fuck about the coal. I wanna know how the miners of the 80’s would have handled the climate warriors trying to get rid of their jobs.


Well being miners, I guess they'd have (ahem!) lamped the bastards.


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Kenny Bottles wrote:
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Who gives a flying fuck about the coal. I wanna know how the miners of the 80’s would have handled the climate warriors trying to get rid of their jobs.


Well being miners, I guess they'd have (ahem!) lamped the bastards.

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They would have chin chinneried them.

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paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:
They would have chin chinneried them.

Walking slowly in front of the outgoing shift traffic would have been a mistake…result, a lot of activists with tyre tread patterns on their clothes.

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The U.K. is shutting down some industries because they are toxic but now we have to import from not so green countries like India and China, where is the logic in that. Are the Just Stop Oil brigade going to be travelling overseas to lie down on the roads ?


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Jamie1952 wrote:
The U.K. is shutting down some industries because they are toxic but now we have to import from not so green countries like India and China, where is the logic in that. Are the Just Stop Oil brigade going to be travelling overseas to lie down on the roads ?

There is no logic whatsoever in it.
Steel is a strategic industry nations need and we throw it away to look squeaky clean in the eyes of a minority of noisy eco zealots…it’s getting to the stage all governments in this country are more concerned with placating middle class eco gobshites than the vast majority of the electorate who’d like to just get on with their lives, but are having them ruined by loony shows of green subservience to impress the world, a world who doesn’t give a flying feck about what we do anymore…when the full effects start to seriously interfere with the normal majority’s way of life we’ll have a recipe for disaster on our hands that was self inflicted by arrogant politicians who don’t give a toss or care…or begin to,understand.

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Maybe shafted them!


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if coal is needed then we want british and not imported coal. for a start it creates jobs for us so its quite a simple decision to make for me. think the voices of those with no vested interest in the mine itself are greater in numbers than the greenie loons but quieter in actions as there are other things in their lives to worry about.


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accrington fan wrote:
if coal is needed then we want british and not imported coal. for a start it creates jobs for us so its quite a simple decision to make for me. think the voices of those with no vested interest in the mine itself are greater in numbers than the greenie loons but quieter in actions as there are other things in their lives to worry about.

The problem is, those with the power share the same values as the minority eco loons.

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Snowy wrote:
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if coal is needed then we want british and not imported coal. for a start it creates jobs for us so its quite a simple decision to make for me. think the voices of those with no vested interest in the mine itself are greater in numbers than the greenie loons but quieter in actions as there are other things in their lives to worry about.

The problem is, those with the power share the same values as the minority eco loons.

one day some party will come out with a policy that most of the general public actually agree with no matter which party they support. its not something i,m going to practise holding my breath about though.


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How much damage to the environment are the weapons the U.K. is supplying to Ukraine, I never hear any greens mentioning that.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
The U.K. is shutting down some industries because they are toxic but now we have to import from not so green countries like India and China, where is the logic in that. Are the Just Stop Oil brigade going to be travelling overseas to lie down on the roads ?


We have the same issue with farming.

Farmers no longer grow oil seed rape because in this country we have banned the seed dressing that stops the bug that eats the plants from within. We end up importing rape seed oil from countries who allow the same seed dressing.

Farmers are now paid more to put up to 50% of their land down to green initiatives than they would have earned from taking the risk of growing crops to eat in a country with more extreme weather changes. We will then be importing more food from outside the UK.


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elwood wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
The U.K. is shutting down some industries because they are toxic but now we have to import from not so green countries like India and China, where is the logic in that. Are the Just Stop Oil brigade going to be travelling overseas to lie down on the roads ?


We have the same issue with farming.

Farmers no longer grow oil seed rape because in this country we have banned the seed dressing that stops the bug that eats the plants from within. We end up importing rape seed oil from countries who allow the same seed dressing.

Farmers are now paid more to put up to 50% of their land down to green initiatives than they would have earned from taking the risk of growing crops to eat in a country with more extreme weather changes. We will then be importing more food from outside the UK.

Ah those country’s who may not have the same standards as we are subject to.

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elwood wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
The U.K. is shutting down some industries because they are toxic but now we have to import from not so green countries like India and China, where is the logic in that. Are the Just Stop Oil brigade going to be travelling overseas to lie down on the roads ?


We have the same issue with farming.

Farmers no longer grow oil seed rape because in this country we have banned the seed dressing that stops the bug that eats the plants from within. We end up importing rape seed oil from countries who allow the same seed dressing.

Farmers are now paid more to put up to 50% of their land down to green initiatives than they would have earned from taking the risk of growing crops to eat in a country with more extreme weather changes. We will then be importing more food from outside the UK.

did not know that about oil seed rape. again there must be loads of new imported foods as it is with all the fancy fruit and veg you see in supermarkets we never had before but survived without them. stuff i imagine middle class greenies eat but never bothered about transportation.


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What’s to say the country’s we import it from use similar treatments to the one we banned.

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elwood wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
The U.K. is shutting down some industries because they are toxic but now we have to import from not so green countries like India and China, where is the logic in that. Are the Just Stop Oil brigade going to be travelling overseas to lie down on the roads ?


We have the same issue with farming.

Farmers no longer grow oil seed rape because in this country we have banned the seed dressing that stops the bug that eats the plants from within. We end up importing rape seed oil from countries who allow the same seed dressing.
My local farmer free several fields of this .......
Farmers are now paid more to put up to 50% of their land down to green initiatives than they would have earned from taking the risk of growing crops to eat in a country with more extreme weather changes. We will then be importing more food from outside the UK.


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What’s to say the country’s we import it from use similar treatments to the one we banned.

like lithium mined by kids of an age it was illigal in this country. as long as it suits a government agenda they do not give a toss.


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It ‘s what happens when the country is ‘run’ by middle aged students who’d rush to the doctors if they broke sweat to ask the doc what it was. :roll:

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It ‘s what happens when the country is ‘run’ by middle aged students who’d rush to the doctors if they broke sweat to ask the doc what it was. :roll:


Yes it does feel like they are "middle age students".
The recent Amol Rajan interview with John Major on bbc2 was excellent and he made a comment on how he respected the labour party of old when the MPs were from the constituencies on understood the issues of those towns and cities.
He also expressed his displeasure of the recent Tory MPs and its was clear from his comments that he thought they were liers and corrupt. Well worth a watch on iPlayer.
There is one with Tony Blair and others planned i believe.

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