Fair play to them, what a fantastic idea and superb execution of their plan.

Apart from the thousands injured as collateral damage though?

but plenty of dead Achmeds

No problem at all killing terrorists, just don't like the fact that so many innocents end up dead on all sides in the name of self defence. Smacks more of retaliation or pre-emptive retaliation. And almost certainly will escalate the tinder pot situation in the region. I wonder if Israel wants that, knowing the US and Western Europe will leap to their defence?

In all seriousness, Israel should obliterate Palestine. These ‘innocents’ were the same ones cheering ecstatically when the twin towers were hit. They pray for the destruction of Israel and the West. Bollocks to them!

Preparation for the onslaught!!!

Isnt it odd how the mainstream media absolutely adore the people who hate us and everything we stand for yet are hostile to the only western style democracy in the region who are our allies. A bizarre situation which is seen as normal these days. Maybe someone on here has a plausible explanation?

An excuse for me not to answer my phone all day.
Still got a pager I had from the 90’s…..somewhere.

Doubt it,if Hamas hadn’t decided to kill/kidnap innocents at a music festival,none of this would be happening.
Even the Saudi’s ,another country who wants nothing to do with Palestinians ,had buried the hatchet with Israel.

The Middle East is a basket case and has been since time immemorial….I suspect if the zIsraeli’s never existed they’d be fighting each other…look at the Iraq/Iran war…ever get the feeling it’s tribal.
Funny the number of country’s the Palestinians have been forced out of and nobody wants them Egypt and Jordan for starters who kicked them out after they caused all sorts of trouble including a civil war in Jordan that saw them evicted …same in Kuwait again where they tried to take over.

I'm sure given the surgical nature of the strikes on Hezbollah via pagers and mobile phone bombs that Israel could have been similarly targeted with less collateral damage to people and infrastructure against Hamas. How many innocent Palestinians and Lebanese have to die as Israel wreaks vengeance so indiscriminately - is the obliteration of Gaza warranted or justifiable? My personal opinion is that it's not.

This technology is getting scary. i am going back to pen & paper and buy a couple of pigeons.

When you see all the Palestinian flags in the U.K. we have a few here, Muslims even fight among themselves, there are 7 sects Sunni, Shia, Whabbi, Salafi, Berelvi, Sufi and Deobandi, I had to Google that.
Christians,we have had a few conflicts between Protestants against Catholics and it still exists in Northern Ireland. When I worked offshore there was now and again asked about what team you supported Celtic or Rangers. There were 2 Electrical Engineering companies in Scotland, one was known for employing Catholics only and the other one Protestants, some are still very bigoted up there.

straight from some kind of Bond film - scary stuff man

i,m sure if many palestinians arrived here the usual ones would be out with flags saying all palestians welcome here.

its because its run by middle class university educated lefties who hate anyone but themselves with their theory driven existance.

Can't argue with that.

Israelis putting explosives in prayer mats. Prophets are thru the roof

Oi Ozzy ask this person which school he went to.

It was an appalling thing to do as you never know who you are going to hurt and many innocents were injured.

Of course Israel is very good at massacring vast numbers of innocent civilians, as the death toll in Gaza rises over 41,000, mostly women and chidren, with likely tens of thousands of people rotting under the rubble the IDF will not allow anyone to get near to.

Being gloatingly anti-Islamic should not be be conflated with being pro-Israel, unless you're Tommy Robinson. Israel now under Netanyahu is just plain evil.

War is a very nasty, messy business particularly, modern high tech warfare. That is why people should not go out of their way to start a war or if they do, they should not complain about the consequences.

We know Hamas are very good at building underground structures but isnt it odd they have not built a single bomb shelter to protect their civilian population? Not one single shelter. It is almost as if they want their civilians to get killed so they can rely on useful idiots to cry enough tears to stop the Israli attacks.

Israel are killing thousands of non terrorists in Lebanon and Gaza in the name of self defence so it must be OK.

and like for years before this conflict being anti israel as a country did not make anyone anti jewish or a holocaust denier. funny how fashions change where the likes of corbyn would be seen as main stream because of their views on a country and the shit thrown at them in the past and the labour left.

Thing is, we dont know who the terrorists are. How do we know how many of the claimed casualties are Hamas "fighters"? In war innocent people always suffer but worth remembering that this is happening as a direct consequence of October 7th. If Hamas gave up their campaign and put down their weapons there would be peace. If Israel put down their weapons there would be genocide because the explicit aim of Hamas is the destruction of Israel. They are not interested in living peacefully side by side. When the current war is over, Hamas will continue lobbing rockets into Israel.

Not knowing who's a terrorist or not shouldn't give carte blanched to kill indiscriminately. What is happening in Gaza is as close to genocide as anything that's happening in the world today.
Would it have been OK for the British Army to have razed NI to the ground when the IRA were bombing the British Mainland in the name of self defence?
Netanyahu is a warmonger.

IRA had certain aims that could be discussed: they did not want the total destruction of the Northern Irish people. Peace now reigns in Northern Ireland. Cant happen with Hamas because they dont want peace unless Israel wiped out. Who are we to pass judgement on a situation thousands of miles away when our information is filtered through the lens of pro Palestinian mainstream media.

And Israel doesn't want the destruction of Palestine? They've almost achieved it haven't they? Netanyahu has been declared a war criminal, thousands of innocents killed (including Aid and Charity workers), polio and Hepatitis A rife in a region where polio was eradicated years ago, these are not stories from the msm they're facts gathered by bodies such as the UN, Medicine San Frontieres, International Aid agencies and the like.
The UK have ceased arms sales, the US have cut back on military supplies due to the actions of the Israeli government and IDF.
For me humanitarian principles take priority over deciding who's right or wrong, and imo the indiscriminate detonation of explosive devices is a terrorist act anywhere in the world.

"the indiscriminate detonation of explosives" It wasnt. The explosives were in the pagers of Hezbullah members: You couldnt get much more precision targetting than that. Obviously there were some innocent casualties but this is much more precise than bombing from the air. Doesnt matter what Israeal does, it is always harshly judged and held to far higher standards than other nations. Israel does not want the destruction of Palestine. It just wants to exist without rockets being fired into it (now those really are indiscriminate) day after day.

They didn't discriminate as to where their pagers were though did they? Palestinian innocents deserve as peaceful a life as the next person regardless of race, religion or where they live.
Israel will not stop until Gaza is flattened imo.

How could the Israelis ascertain the precise location of each enemy operative? Impossible, but I say again these pager bombs were remarkably effective and took out a large number of enemy combatants. Israel is criticized if it uses air strikes and now if it use incredibly well targeted munitions. The only way Israel could escape criticism is if it attacked its enemies with water pistols and even then some lackwit would complain the water was too cold or it might have hurt someone if it hit them in the eye.

The collateral damage is justifiable then, the barring of international aid in quantities to make a real difference is justifiable, the condemnation of the Israeli PM to the point that if he leaves Israel he'll be arrested for war crimes is justifiable?
The Israelis were victims back in October but since then they've been out and out aggressors without a thought for innocent people or even humanity.
We ain't going to agree, but I'm certainly not pro Hamas or even pro Palestinian, but I do recognise that escalation is happening and it's the Israelis doing the escalation.

Yes we aint going to agree.

mossad are more or less the palestinian version of the israel stern gang of the 40,s whose members ran the country after we left. possibly in todays world they,d have infiltrated this country and murdered brits as they did back in palestine/israel.

Remember this years ago talking to the old man and he’d been in port in Israel with their ship picking up military kit shortly before we pulled out and said we pulled out because the whole region is a bloody basket case that could only ever be solved by the lot sinking into the sea as it was based on opposing religion and tribes.

mind you we are getting closer to that a lot closer to home than israel is.

I suspect the normal people out there just want to get on with their lives, but a small elite with power and vested interests don’t share those views.
That end of the Med could be goldmine for them if only they could get their act together.

Beirut was a great place apparently before everyone started shooting at each other.

Before the Palestinians were taken in and the associated terrorists…it was long regarded as the Switzerland of the Middle East.
The same thing happened in Egypt, Jordan and Kuwait, but they forced them out violently.

its a goldmine already if you are an arms manufacturer.

What's the difference between them cheering when the twin towers was hit and you cheering when hundreds of innocent people are killed every day? Bollocks to you all.

Funny , I recall the comment made by someone I know at the time of Iraq invading Kuwait and the multi national task force was being formed, after I mentioned Sad-am Hussein and his bravado…he said (from experience) once it kicks off, they’ll stop the chest beating stuff, kick their boots off and run like fuck…..and so it happened.
It’s a place in permanent turmoil and always has been.

Israel likes to portray itself as the perpetual victim in the big bad world and uses that excuse to kill thousands in the name of self defence.
The region is a basketcase, but the only real victims are the true innocents who are losing their lives while zealots on both sides show scant regard for anything but their own cause.

Said this before but I will say it again......If Hamas and its allies put downn their weapons there would be lasting peace. If Israel put down their weapons there would genuine genocide (as opposed to the propaganda genocide extolled by the pro Hamas media).

And if the Israeli's weren't continually land-grabbing and displacing Palestinian settlements it would help.
Where does self defence stop, if Hamas and Hezbollah had a headquarters in Central London would it be acceptable for Israel to lob a dozen or so missiles into London in the name of self defence? Bearing in mind they're supposedly targeting individuals and not terrorist strongholds or military sites.

Israel are only interested in the total eradication of the Palestine people. At the moment they’re backed into a corner. They are trying to fight a war on 3 fronts. Hezbolah are holding their own in the ground war, Hamas are still causing multiple problems for the Israelis and the Houthi’s are firing weapons at will.
This is not taking into account any retaliation to Iran which could lead them into another confrontation. Iraq are on the side of Iran and the Taliban have promised to send thousands of fighters.
Netanyahu will continue with the war because he has no alternative. He’s failed to bring the hostages home, he’s had to contend with thousands of his people being displaced and he’ll be arrested as soon as the war terminates.
Without the support of the USA and the influence of the neo cons he’d be a dead man.
It’s only going to take one little spark, possibly at a Syrian post where Russian troops are stationed for this to kick off big time.

israel and the british have always liked a scrap no matter who gets killed. remember the attitudes of many in this country in the falkland dispute where many could not place it on a map.

That region - those people have been at war for thousands of years, nothing with ever change. We will see a ceasefire amongst a certain group. Then whilst the Jews are fending off either Iran or another nation they decide to prod with a stick - said cease fired militia will be gaining back its strength like a boxer whos been on the ropes but escapes on the bell. To then come back with even more anger and have it all kick off again. Rinse and repeat on the other 3 sides ! it wont end till someone has the red button pressed and then shit really hits the fan !

If my neighbour had a plan to destroy my nation by 2040 then I would be a little jumpy too. If you can't see this situation from everybody's point of view then you aren't seeing this situation.