Are the French right, they see the U.K. as a soft touch who attract migrants because we are a soft touch and blame the recent drownings because of that ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9v8272vkxpo

The French are right, we are a soft touch.The illegals …Ooops , sorry, undocumented …..swap French sand dunes for 4 star hotels and pocket money.
Who are mugs…?

the country is so soft but would come down hard on british parents if their kids were killed on a dinghy that was overcrowded plus anyone else associated with it.

The French are saying our working regulations are too lax and that is why people are coming.
The Brits are saying our payouts to non-workers is too lax and that is why people are coming.

I wonder how we'd be if we allowed the people off the boats to work and not provided social handouts

What would undocumented illegals with no proof of anything including qualifications do for a living…pizza deliveries and car washes seem well stocked for staff.
A race to the bottom where people will be competing with cheap labour.

Just a thought, if you tried to ride out of the Marina in a big rubber dinghy full of people you wouldn’t get far.
I bet the French could stop it overnight if they replaced the police with the CRS..
But, I bet they’re glad to wave them off, unfortunately though, that ensures a constant flow of new day trippers.

One of the issues with the undocumented illegals (like that term Snowy ) is that they don't assimilate into the wider population. I would hope letting them work may help with that but I can see, as well, issues for the less well-skilled jobs.

Let's be honest, an ever-increasing World population was always going to lead to mass migration and I don't suppose it's ever going to change until we get to the point there is not enough food to feed everyone and Nature's survival of the fittest takes over (and that will be very messy).

Never worked outside of the UK so have no idea if we do have less-regulated working than elsewhere.

if they got pissed off here and wanted their dinghys back to go the other way they,d be stopped by our border force then quoting every bit of legislation available to them just to help our eu friends in need.

Once it starts to impinge on people’s own welfare, the mask will drop and the do gooders in government will be swept aside.
We don’t want to see that, but in reality we can’t fool ourselves by applying Jamboree methods to the problem….before the situation turns things on their head.

In my second home it’s the same problem as in the U.K., building sites, restaurants, hotels are for ever getting raided for illegal immigrates from Myanmar, Cambodia, Lao. In some cases a blind eye is turned depending on how big the brown envelope is.

More than likely, after all the major Party’s are run by social workers and happy clappers.

its a good job out of the thousands who have arrived that they were not train drivers or junior doctors for the sake of all those in those jobs who got a good pay rise. governments love immigration just to keep us in our place financially and culturally.

Yes, the French are correct. Migrants know there is no chance of deportation once they set foot in the UK and they can easily find some kind of under the raidar job. French didnt mention health care but that is also an attraction. Even if not registered with a GP they simply rock up at A and E and get free treatment. Whats not to be attracted by?

Is the answer to tragedy in the channel to allow ever more migrants by allowing asylum claims to the UK to be made in Europe? Nope the answer is the UK government making it tougher to get asylum here and deporting failed claims asap.

thing is there is nobody and has never been anyone in power who would implement anything like that. we have to just lay back and suck it up in fear of arrest and prison if you put one single foot or word out of line.

It was suggested that claims could be made in Calais…..shows how dangerously naive our politicians are…
They turn up to apply and we find they are rejected…they then walk down the dunes and use the alternative transport to get over the channel…with Rubber Deathtrap Ferries.
When’s Elliot Ness-Starmer gonna smash the gangs……I won’t hold my breath.

the gangs are shitting themselves in the sun sat on their yatchs in the south of france just in case he calls em the far right before taking actions.

Them banana boats/dingys/rafts/surf-boards are overloaded.

Not very bright are they.
Wha
t next travel over in winter turbulent tides.

Starmer says Rwanda wouldn't work but his talk of busting the gangs will. What a balloon.u

Is Starmer suffering from some sort of delusion or is he cynically lying? Why would any reasonably sensible person not understand that as soon as one gang is errr... "smashed" another one will appear because the trade is so highly lucrative. In simple terms: you cant smash the gangs! Does Starmer think people will believe him when he says he can? Is he saying this purely to sound as though he is trying to stop the boats while actually doing nowt? I hated the Tories but this current lot are taking my abhorrence off the scale.

On the news tonight it was reported that the French Police have smashed 25 gangs this year…what difference has it made….?

That must of been gangs of teenagers playing loud music in the parks.

To me every time I see Starmer on TV he looks like a little lost 10 year old who's been told he can run a large conglomerate for the day as some sort of prize, he has a gormless look on his face and seems as though he has no idea of what's happening outside of his puerile bubble.

it’s like drug dealers, arrest them all and another bunch take their place.

it’s actually quite simple. arrive here illegally and you fend for yourself for two years with no benefits

He has that same distance from reality, ‘Biden Lite’.

It's so easy to stop them getting off the boats.
30 security quards can physically stop them getting out the boats. Even a few armed with rifles would frighten the shit out of them.

Isent this how most other countries police their borders.

Cost a fraction of this £8 million a day.
Maybe help the oaps out a bit more with the tax savings.
And reduce income tax for workers.

If at the very beginning of the crossings those apprehended were put in secure accommodation and detained indefinitely for illegally entering the country, would there have been what followed…?
What woke fuckwit on some committee suggested putting them up in decent hotels, pocket money and the right to roam was going to deter them….

To me Starmer still thinks he is judge or whatever he was, control freak.

So after the Security Guards stop them what are they going to do, swim back to France, we refuel the boats for them, they would probably stick a knife in boats anyway.

The only ways to stop them are:

The French police their shores and inshore waters properly. (Why is a boat designed for 20 allowed by French to continue its voyage when its blatantly overloaded and therefore not seaworthy?).

The UK imposes a deterrent to these illegal migrants. We set up the emergency hospitals for Covid in weeks, why not set up similar secure basic accommodation where they can remain (detained - they're law breakers until granted asylum at the end of the day). The French don't provide luxury hotels in Calais so why do we? These detention camps could be built up in the Sherlands or Orkneys somewhere pretty bleak would be ideal.

the only way to stop them is to stop them entering europe in the first place. its not just a british problem its the rest of europre who has the same problems. unless figures are manufactured we still have far less here than other countries have.

Disagree, need to understand why when they're in an EU country they want to come here. If they're no better here than in France they won't come it's as time as that. Make it harder here than it is in France problem solved.

For a start luxury hotels aren’t provided, the hotels are stripped back to the bare bones, why send to the Shetlands etc, what have you got against the Shetlanders.
Unfortunately as has been shown in the past put them in detention camps and they set fire to them.
Do I have an answer, no, until the French Police stop giving them a free passage it won’t stop, yes they do stop the odd one but that’s just to save face. France were hosting just under 700000 refugees, of course they are going to let a few slip through the net.

They're luxury compared to the tented camps they're coming from, and compared to detention centres. Holiday Express aren't e actly the cheapest hotel chain around and with full board you'd be paying in excess of £200 per day I'd expect.
There's plenty of space in the remote islands and nothing against Shetlanders but the idea is to make life less comfortable as a deterrent.
If they set fire to their home then I'd put them back in tents within detention compounds and if they burn the tents then f*ck them they're in the open.
Deterrence is the only way to stop it, either physically turning them around or detaining them in habitable but basic conditions until they're processed.

Detain each illegal immigrant in detention centres for 5 years.
During that time, they can be rented out to customers as cooks and cleaners etc for £30 a week.
If each of the 125,000 illegal immigrants who have arrived on boats since 2018 had been rented out at a cost of £30 a week, the Government would have raised £975,000000 in revenue.
If they complete the 5 years, then they get citizenship.
They are free to ask to be deported to their country of origin at any time during their detention, thereby getting around anti slavery laws.

Bring this in and the boats would stop overnight, because what young man pretending to flee a fake war in Timbuktu would be prepared to live in a detention centre with nothing but a bed and 3 meals a day and be made to work for free for 5 years.

If you can’t beat the smugglers then join them and create a booming new industry to help fill the supposed 22 billion black hole that the Government have said there is, whilst at the same time stopping them from accessing OUR public services by keeping them locked up and put to good use as free labour to assist our own citizens in need . Remember they have the right to ask to be deported whenever they like so…..

……I can’t believe it’s not slavery, can you

Don't we know why they want to come here? English is a Universal language that is taught around the world so most people have enough of an understanding to get by (with help from the existing minority ethnic populations in major cities).

I'm not sure anyone in government has decided whether the aim is to stop them arriving or getting use out of them once they are here. At the moment we do neither and simply subsidise a crap existence for all.

The reason why they go through Europe to get here is because Europe had ID cards, you can’t even het a job picking spuds in France without one.
A black economy is always more difficult with ID Cards..we’re as weak as piss in clamping down on the black economy.
As most arrivals have little English language skills we can put that myth to bed.

still want to see the league table on how many of these immigrants are in all european countries and where britain stands on the list.

send them to the isle of man as they have experiance of dealing with people that are not required in this country.

The U.K. are 6th,
https://worldmigrationreport.iom.int/wh ... 20Republic.

even though i do not agree with it those figures actually show others are worse off than we are. with the size of our country and the denseness of population surely even the lefty,s must realise we have done our bit and enough is enough.

What’s the answer then, no one appears to know how to stop the refugees.

It’s simple, but these wet politicians of the Labour, Tory and Lib Dem persuasion are too feeble to do it…they are the problem.
You don’t win an illegal immigration conflict with Salvation Army ethics.

Direct them to Brazil
Let them be somebody else's problem.
Fcuk Rwanda charter them to Thailand.

Ya though I was ignoring ye.
Wudent do that to me favourite Bunkerite.

Have a great weekend Matey

You tell them because of their illegal behaviour they have negated their right to seek asylum and immediately put them in a custodial unit with basic facilities until you are able to deport them back to either France or their country of origin.
Or turn them back as soon as they reach the three mile limit with an information leaflet who to contact if they want to apply still.
When we can look after the people we already have here, like our vulnerable pensioners, we will consider applications........proper and legal applications.
How long do we wait before taking action to stop this illegal invasion of our Island................when there are a million if them...or two......or three???????
Get real people. This problem will not go away on it's own.

It does make me wonder how it's all going to end..Just how many square miles have we got left to accommodate this lot.... Thousands making the crossing every week.Violence amongst gangs in the Calais ,rocks thrown at the police on their beaches .Fires started in detention centres over here in the UK. .Worst , there are some people out there who still think there's a place for them all working for the NHS...

They would have to build 2 new hospitals in hpool then to accommodate their employment skills.
Real reason they infiltrating every city town n village in England is simple.
Free Britain.
The land of milk n honey.
And unbelievably if you are against it then you are ridiculed with the R word.

What would happen in some other countries life would be made very uncomfortable not monetary wise but by people constantly harassing them. With the heavy sentences carried out after the riots I can’t see that happening.

So as time goes by people are realising mass immigration was the main reason. Not the other excuses from that man.!

Should be an Inquiry into why the police were instructed to do nothing for between 6 n 12 hours resulting in loads of criminal damage to buildings and properties all over the country.
That Murray St carry on should of ended within 4 minutes of the riot police arriving like football crowds disorder does.

Prevention is better than cure Always.
So lets have the answers n theories to why every police force was instructed to hang back as long as possible.


When

thats when they arrive in this country. as i have said stopping them before they actually land in southern europe by a strong determined european border force would help. if action had been taken at the outset and sending em all back from our shores and europe itself we would not be having this conversation. how long is it now since that nasty nigel brought the problem up to the public at large. left it to the politicians and the msm we,d know naff all now.