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 Post subject: Milliband surrender ?
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Looks like Milliband has bowed to Greenpeace by not fighting a climate lawsuit by Greenpeace to stop the deveopments to two of Britains biggest North Sea oil schemes.
I’m off to stock upon candles.
Dunno who’s the biggest threat to our supplies, the dreaded foreign suppliers or our own policies.. sctatchinghead

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Looks like Milliband has bowed to Greenpeace by not fighting a climate lawsuit by Greenpeace to stop the deveopments to two of Britains biggest North Sea oil schemes.
I’m off to stock upon candles.
Dunno who’s the biggest threat to our supplies, the dreaded foreign suppliers or our own policies.. sctatchinghead



If Greenpeace are so worried about climate change,they need to go to Russia,China or some of the South American countries & protest instead.


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Kebab&chips wrote:
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Looks like Milliband has bowed to Greenpeace by not fighting a climate lawsuit by Greenpeace to stop the deveopments to two of Britains biggest North Sea oil schemes.
I’m off to stock upon candles.
Dunno who’s the biggest threat to our supplies, the dreaded foreign suppliers or our own policies.. sctatchinghead



If Greenpeace are so worried about climate change,they need to go to Russia,China or some of the South American countries & protest instead.

possibly you,d get banged up if you protested against them or put hurty words about them on facebook or x.


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Milliband is that greasy, how much energy could be generated from melting him down? Asking for a friend.


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Some of the major oil companies are bigger financially than some countries, if they are not allowed to develop in the U.K. they just move elsewhere more so because North Sea oil is one of the most expensive to extract.


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The gas market is very tight because of the loss of Russian supplies into Europe so prices are sky high. Our demand outstrips supply. So lets not add any new supplies. Lets keep prices sky high so people die because they can't afford to heat their homes. Lower benefits and pensions to be paid. Win/win for Milliband and Reeves.

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Jamie1952 wrote:
Some of the major oil companies are bigger financially than some countries, if they are not allowed to develop in the U.K. they just move elsewhere more so because North Sea oil is one of the most expensive to extract.

if you needed more water you,d just build more reservoirs but if you need more oil not developing what we have makes no sense to the majority of us.


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Brian Honour's Left Foot wrote:
Milliband is that greasy, how much energy could be generated from melting him down? Asking for a friend.


He really lives up to the Mr Bean analogy. Complete waste of space.


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The U.K. ‘floats’ on oil and gas and is ‘made’ of coal but we fail to take advantage from it preferring to import it.


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Splod wrote:
The gas market is very tight because of the loss of Russian supplies into Europe so prices are sky high. Our demand outstrips supply. So lets not add any new supplies. Lets keep prices sky high so people die because they can't afford to heat their homes. Lower benefits and pensions to be paid. Win/win for Milliband and Reeves.


Thought the Russian intake was about 4%, Thought our main supplier was Norway, But probably wrong.


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Ask Rolls Royce about the Engines (Plane) , They are developing, Surprising.


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Stomper409 wrote:
Brian Honour's Left Foot wrote:
Milliband is that greasy, how much energy could be generated from melting him down? Asking for a friend.


He really lives up to the Mr Bean analogy. Complete waste of space.


He’s the sort of classic gormless bloke who if asked to put a nail in the wall to hang a picture…..would find the water or gas pipe :laugh:

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Done the water pipe thing twice doh!
Mind according to building standards neither should have been there.


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Grayhoundend wrote:
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The gas market is very tight because of the loss of Russian supplies into Europe so prices are sky high. Our demand outstrips supply. So lets not add any new supplies. Lets keep prices sky high so people die because they can't afford to heat their homes. Lower benefits and pensions to be paid. Win/win for Milliband and Reeves.


Thought the Russian intake was about 4%, Thought our main supplier was Norway, But probably wrong.


Germany had a high level of supply from Russia and the loss of that tightened supply acreoss Europe. The UK didn't take much Russian gas but is now a significant supplier to Germany. Plus the supply of LNG from the Gulf and elsewhere is diverted into Germany and away from the UK.

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Done the water pipe thing twice doh!
Mind according to building standards neither should have been there.

No surprise there then, you won’t be the first, we’ve all been there…my speciality is floorboards and water pipes. :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Milliband surrender ?
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Splod wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
Splod wrote:
The gas market is very tight because of the loss of Russian supplies into Europe so prices are sky high. Our demand outstrips supply. So lets not add any new supplies. Lets keep prices sky high so people die because they can't afford to heat their homes. Lower benefits and pensions to be paid. Win/win for Milliband and Reeves.


Thought the Russian intake was about 4%, Thought our main supplier was Norway, But probably wrong.


Germany had a high level of supply from Russia and the loss of that tightened supply acreoss Europe. The UK didn't take much Russian gas but is now a significant supplier to Germany. Plus the supply of LNG from the Gulf and elsewhere is diverted into Germany and away from the UK.


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Poolie27 wrote:
Splod wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
Splod wrote:
The gas market is very tight because of the loss of Russian supplies into Europe so prices are sky high. Our demand outstrips supply. So lets not add any new supplies. Lets keep prices sky high so people die because they can't afford to heat their homes. Lower benefits and pensions to be paid. Win/win for Milliband and Reeves.


Thought the Russian intake was about 4%, Thought our main supplier was Norway, But probably wrong.


Germany had a high level of supply from Russia and the loss of that tightened supply acreoss Europe. The UK didn't take much Russian gas but is now a significant supplier to Germany. Plus the supply of LNG from the Gulf and elsewhere is diverted into Germany and away from the UK.

No it's not LNG also comes from the US. The UK has been well supp!I'ed since the Ukraine war started and that's why wholesale gas prices came down dramatically last winter. Renewables have also meant we need less gass to produce electricity. The energy world is changing fast and we use a lot less gas and oil


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The energy world is changing fast and we use a lot less gas and oil

Too fast, intermittent, unpredictable alternatives are not secure or reliable enough as replacements to satisfy the wet dreams of green politicians.
We are an island in the Atlantic sitting on gas, oil and coal. so why energy prices are so high never ceases to amaze me, so we all have to suffer to please a vociferous minority of geeks who deny reality in pursuit of their fantasy future.
I get an awful feeling the freedom of movement and travel will be eroded by these sylvanian desires to create their world vision.
I expect the petro/dieesel car to be the first casualty…..the wealthy untouched but screws put on the plebs.

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The problem is that our Government's past and present have absolutely no long term vision or ambition. They want us to give up our cars yet what's the alternative - public transport outwith the biggest cities isn't available or isn't fit for purpose. The so called 15 minute cities haven't been established so that everything you regularly need is pretty much on the doorstep. On the contrary it's going the other way with things like retail parks off bus routes, and hospitals being closed in many large towns.
They want us to give up our reliable and in the case of modern boilers for unproven heat pumps at huge cost, and we'll still be cold with only lukewarm water when it's very cold.
If we stopped all greenhouse gas emissions today it would be less than 1% of the world's total so why the f*ck can our politicians recognise that and instead of saying we'll lead the way by disadvantaging our citizens lobby the real problem countries and place sanctions or levies on goods from those countries rather than green taxes for us?


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Snowy wrote:
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The energy world is changing fast and we use a lot less gas and oil

Too fast, intermittent, unpredictable alternatives are not secure or reliable enough as replacements to satisfy the wet dreams of green politicians.
We are an island in the Atlantic sitting on gas, oil and coal. so why energy prices are so high never ceases to amaze me, so we all have to suffer to please a vociferous minority of geeks who deny reality in pursuit of their fantasy future.
I get an awful feeling the freedom of movement and travel will be eroded by these sylvanian desires to create their world vision.
I expect the petro/dieesel car to be the first casualty…..the wealthy untouched but screws put on the plebs.


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The government in fairness is going "full steam ahead" on renewables.

Its the future just like steam was in 1850.

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Wind turbines are not particularly green if you look at the carbon footprint to source and transport raw materials, manufacture, transport, install, maintain (especially offshore), decommission and scrap them.
Headlines tell us they're green and it's cheap energy when in reality it's neither.
Scotland made the claim about 3 years ago that they'd generated enough wind power for the whole of their needs, how much have their bills gone down as a result?


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Wind turbines are not particularly green if you look at the carbon footprint to source and transport raw materials, manufacture, transport, install, maintain (especially offshore), decommission and scrap them.
Headlines tell us they're green and it's cheap energy when in reality it's neither.
Scotland made the claim about 3 years ago that they'd generated enough wind power for the whole of their needs, how much have their bills gone down as a result?

Because they're linked to world energy prices. That would be great if a UK Govt could break the market but the companies all control that.


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So why don't we just shut down our generation facilities and buy in our supplies?
What's the point of Great British Energy then, Starmer insists it will give us secure and cheap supplies?


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Prices will still be dictated by the global market. GBE is a vehicle to push investment in energy generation so prices can be lowered by generating more energy. Let's see. UK Govt have fucked this up time after timr.


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So GBE will actually cost us £11bn and prices won't come down a penny because global entities dictate energy prices? Just what is the point of GBE, what is their mission statement, what are they spending £11bn of OUR MONEY on?


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Toyota have developed an engine which runs on water,

https://youtu.be/cTHUuANWF5M?si=yN2YBaM3s2CBvhUp


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Toyota have developed an engine which runs on water,

https://youtu.be/cTHUuANWF5M?si=yN2YBaM3s2CBvhUp


Investor developed a water engine years ago and refused to sell it on. Somehow he died immediately after meeting the potential buyers. He thought he had been poisoned during the meeting, and passed away 3 hours later :roll: Allegedly


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Toyota have developed an engine which runs on water,

https://youtu.be/cTHUuANWF5M?si=yN2YBaM3s2CBvhUp

This isn't real, the theory of a water engine means if you developed one it'd be a perpetual motion engine which basically solves a lot of the worlds problems and also hasn't happened.
The real way to go is hydrogen engines - it's basically what the theory of these water engines are - water converted into hydrogen, uses combustion of hydrogen to power engine, is converted back in to water after by reacting with oxygen, but doesn't need the initial step to convert water to hydrogen.


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So why don't we just shut down our generation facilities and buy in our supplies?
What's the point of Great British Energy then, Starmer insists it will give us secure and cheap supplies?

There’s the glaring catch…..Starmer’s backing it.

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So GBE will actually cost us £11bn and prices won't come down a penny because global entities dictate energy prices? Just what is the point of GBE, what is their mission statement, what are they spending £11bn of OUR MONEY on?

Millibean’s energy adventure park.

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Krampesh wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Toyota have developed an engine which runs on water,

https://youtu.be/cTHUuANWF5M?si=yN2YBaM3s2CBvhUp

This isn't real, the theory of a water engine means if you developed one it'd be a perpetual motion engine which basically solves a lot of the worlds problems and also hasn't happened.
The real way to go is hydrogen engines - it's basically what the theory of these water engines are - water converted into hydrogen, uses combustion of hydrogen to power engine, is converted back in to water after by reacting with oxygen, but doesn't need the initial step to convert water to hydrogen.


They are plenty of Toyota videos on YouTube of hydrogen engines and they are real.


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Wind turbines are not particularly green if you look at the carbon footprint to source and transport raw materials, manufacture, transport, install, maintain (especially offshore), decommission and scrap them.
Headlines tell us they're green and it's cheap energy when in reality it's neither.
Scotland made the claim about 3 years ago that they'd generated enough wind power for the whole of their needs, how much have their bills gone down as a result?

they are only green because they supply something thats not manufactured using fossil fuels and they never take into account there manufacture. same with solar panels as well. if only they admit these facts people might give em a bit more leeway instead of trying to make out they are some kind of natural source. only the wind and sun are.


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Wind turbines are not particularly green if you look at the carbon footprint to source and transport raw materials, manufacture, transport, install, maintain (especially offshore), decommission and scrap them.
Headlines tell us they're green and it's cheap energy when in reality it's neither.
Scotland made the claim about 3 years ago that they'd generated enough wind power for the whole of their needs, how much have their bills gone down as a result?

they are only green because they supply something thats not manufactured using fossil fuels and they never take into account there manufacture. same with solar panels as well. if only they admit these facts people might give em a bit more leeway instead of trying to make out they are some kind of natural source. only the wind and sun are.

The wind turbines are made of oil by products….just like solar panels…unless of course Millibean has found a way to make them out of turnips.

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Jamie1952 wrote:
Krampesh wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Toyota have developed an engine which runs on water,

https://youtu.be/cTHUuANWF5M?si=yN2YBaM3s2CBvhUp

This isn't real, the theory of a water engine means if you developed one it'd be a perpetual motion engine which basically solves a lot of the worlds problems and also hasn't happened.
The real way to go is hydrogen engines - it's basically what the theory of these water engines are - water converted into hydrogen, uses combustion of hydrogen to power engine, is converted back in to water after by reacting with oxygen, but doesn't need the initial step to convert water to hydrogen.


They are plenty of Toyota videos on YouTube of hydrogen engines and they are real.

Yes, hydrogen engines are real, water engines are not.


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Solid state electrics are on the way. Much more range and quicker charging.

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Solid state electrics are on the way. Much more range and quicker charging.

…and expensive.

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Krampesh wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Krampesh wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Toyota have developed an engine which runs on water,

https://youtu.be/cTHUuANWF5M?si=yN2YBaM3s2CBvhUp

This isn't real, the theory of a water engine means if you developed one it'd be a perpetual motion engine which basically solves a lot of the worlds problems and also hasn't happened.
The real way to go is hydrogen engines - it's basically what the theory of these water engines are - water converted into hydrogen, uses combustion of hydrogen to power engine, is converted back in to water after by reacting with oxygen, but doesn't need the initial step to convert water to hydrogen.


They are plenty of Toyota videos on YouTube of hydrogen engines and they are real.

Yes, hydrogen engines are real, water engines are not.



Yes they are, the car has an inbuilt electrolysis unit which converts the water to hydrogen.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Krampesh wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Krampesh wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Toyota have developed an engine which runs on water,

https://youtu.be/cTHUuANWF5M?si=yN2YBaM3s2CBvhUp

This isn't real, the theory of a water engine means if you developed one it'd be a perpetual motion engine which basically solves a lot of the worlds problems and also hasn't happened.
The real way to go is hydrogen engines - it's basically what the theory of these water engines are - water converted into hydrogen, uses combustion of hydrogen to power engine, is converted back in to water after by reacting with oxygen, but doesn't need the initial step to convert water to hydrogen.


They are plenty of Toyota videos on YouTube of hydrogen engines and they are real.

Yes, hydrogen engines are real, water engines are not.



Yes they are, the car has an inbuilt electrolysis unit which converts the water to hydrogen.

No they're not. Can you find me an example of a car/vehicle where the fuel is water? Where does the vehicle get the energy to convert the water to hydrogen? Is the energy used to convert the water to hydrogen to power the car not going to be more than/the same as the energy produced? (The answer is yes)
The water powered car is a great theory but it falls down immediately because it is a perpetual motion engine, which don't exist.


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Now call me a cynic, but if Hydrogen is so wonderful, why is it not in common usage.
Could it by any chance be the cost….?
A lot of people are going to suffer financially to achieve Net zero and cheer up the virtue signallers and put a smug sneer on their grim faces…the average masochist being the only winner.

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Now call me a cynic, but if Hydrogen is so wonderful, why is it not in common usage.
Could it by any chance be the cost….?
A lot of people are going to suffer financially to achieve Net zero and cheer up the virtue signallers and put a smug sneer on their grim faces…the average masochist being the only winner.

They're not so great. Electric cars are way better (as a green alternative) due to already existing electrical infrastructure. Hydrogen cars fall down due to the cost of producing the hydrogen (an incredibly energy consuming process), the lack of any viable hydrogen infrastructure existing, safety around the hydrogen itself being in a car or being stored at petrol stations/whereever. They're also not really a green alternative due to most hydrogen being produced from fossil fuels currently.


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There are lots of apparently great solutions to these problems but from a financial/ practical solution perspective are mere novelties.
I prefer gradual change phasing in of new technology where practical but this rush by politicians and the setting of unproven timescales by people in power who are mere glib wordsmiths with big ideas, hot air and impractical assumptions is the road to ruin…..but it never affects them.

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There are lots of apparently great solutions to these problems but from a financial/ practical solution perspective are mere novelties.
I prefer gradual change phasing in of new technology where practical but this rush by politicians and the setting of unproven timescales by people in power who are mere glib wordsmiths with big ideas, hot air and impractical assumptions is the road to ruin…..but it never affects them.

putting a date written in stone for any change will only cause bigger problems for people in their pockets and lifestyles they have got used to.


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