These three all play for Braintree. Well two off them are probably the most disliked footballers at this level by Poolies. The other a lad who was a hugely disappointed at Pools. This is a game we have to win for obvious reasons but this adds fuel to the fire. I hope Featherstone and Fergy are telling the team that the supporters would love to avenge Effiong because that would put the cream on the cake of a win. The Braintree fans are not happy with Effiong so far and say he can't be arsed to move for chances and won't jump for headers either. Despite his good record at his previous club of 25 goals from 46 games. Maybe at 33yrs old he is finished and can no longer perform at this level. But you can bet your life he will be well up for this game along with the Village idiot Covolan.

i,m shitting myself now. wish i hadn,t bought a ticket for this and decided to come up again. cooper must go down as one of our worst loanees and it would be great seeing one or both of the other two doing a walk of shame doing a hunter and waterfall.

What did Effiong do? Wasn’t he the one who was racially abused by someone in the Town End? Our own players were wanting to get at the fan too for it.
Apologies if he was the player who made the false allegations at the Mill House fans.

Na thats not him, He had nowt to do with the MHouse, I was there.

That 1 was the cheating lying twat, Mc Sweghan or some name like that.

he did something that should be a sending off offence, celebrating a goal infront of opposition fans that caused the incident to happen. if he had jogged back to the half way line the incident would never have happened putting the club in a bad light across the media. no excuse for the fan but he didn,t start it, just a reaction to an incident which should never happen in any game.

Maybe the player should have received a caution from the police for incitement.

Maybe the player should have received a caution from the police for incitement.

If you're both blaming a player for being the victim of racist abuse then you're idiots plain and simple. Absolutely fine to think a player shouldn't celebrate in front of opposition fans, although I can name plenty of Pools players who have done the same, also absolutely fine to abuse a player for doing so. What's not fine is abusing anyone for their skin colour or blaming them for inciting racial abuse against themselves. Only one person is to blame and that's the person who was racist.

so if he had been abused by other words and not a referance to skin colour it would have been fine. there are loads of things you can abuse any player by shouting no matter what skin colour they have that they might not like either. so if the fan was a racist and not just blowing his top is being a person thinking that way the lowest of mankind worse than the yorkshire ripper or some nonse who has been at it for years on end undetected. being a racist is not just a white mans curse but does across all races but only one seems to take the most offence by it. others get there share but do not make it their lifes work to stop it all. its two wongs not making a right and nobody died or were scarred for life by the whole event.

I get what you’re saying completely , but….Would his original behaviour have qualified for non racist abuse though…?

hes a prick end of !

Calling someone shit/a wanker is incredibly different to being racist to them, no it's not as bad as being a murderer etc. and no one is suggesting it is. Racist abuse has no place in society anywhere and if you can't disagree with someone of a different race without using their skin colour etc. against them then that's a huge personal problem and you deserve what you get which I believe in this case was a criminal record (?). This also goes for racism of all forms and I disagree with you that it's just 1 race which seems to take offense.
2 wrongs don't make a right but you also need context, celebrating in front of opposition fans and taking some abuse - fine, getting racial abused for doing so - definitely not fine. I'm sure Effiong knew at the time what he was doing and expected the abuse he received from all but the 1 idiot.

big question to ask is has he and the fan involved learned something positive from the incident and both have not repeated their actions. is you celebrate in front of your own fans and take your shirt off for a last minute winner you would receive a caution or a sending off if you,d picked one up earlier. keep your shirt on but celebrate in front of the opposition that could have been even worse a situation coming from it you,d get away scot free. if any of our lads did the same they,d become pricks also in my eyes and deserve everything they,d get from the authorites.

when fans lose it they pick on the most obvious characteristics of the player themselves. if he was fat, thin, tall, small, bald, long haired and especially ginger that would have been mentioned no matter what their colour is. in effiongs case that was his most obvious characteristic to see. racist abuse has no place in society if that was the only reason to actually abuse the person or a whole range of people. however i do think those of black or mixed race certainly in my experiance do make a far bigger thing of it than those of the indian sub continant do but feel more stronger if relegeon comes into the argument. white people cannot black up like in the days of the black and white boredom show, but many of lasses of mixed race spend fortune and time on make up attempting to look as white as possible.

Well said Krampesh on shouting out the racists.
Numerous Pools players over the years have done exactly the same to opposition fans.

Regardless of colour or creed the bloke was 100% the catalyst in this self created problem. What he did ( I was in the second row close to the pitch when he ran past ) was way way over the top of a celebration, much more like provocation. He caused a storm and insighted the crowd. He scored then ran along the wall only 2 ft from the fans deliberately winding them up in a way I have not seen at the Vic in the past. Someone throw a pie in his face and he turned to our player Mafuta and told him something that made him go off it and support him. I can only guess he said he told him he was racistly abused. I honestly did not hear anyone using racist language nor did my son ( it may have happened but not along his run past us lot ). However they did use foul and abusive language at him but then again Mafuta was effing and blinding and offering to fight supporters on his behalf. Then their players played the racist card till the end and spoilt the game to get the points. I am with you Eiphos_3
he is a prick in my eyes.

Tell you whats not fine, A player accusing fans of Racial abuse, Like that scum bag tried on at the MillHouse terrace, People could lose their livelihood (or worse) because of trash like him.
Wonder if he was brought to task about his lies, Doubt it.

By the way ALL racists are Scum Black and White.

Krampesh

A racist comment is NOT just about the colour of someones skin, Is it.
Craig Hignnet told a story about a supporter who commented on a cricket match between Pakistan and England, Whilst talking to Raj.
The comment was nothing to do with Skin colour, But Raj explained to Higgy that the comment was racist.

Suggesting ( guessing ) some one is a racist becuse of comments on this board is walking on thin ice!

Oh Dear

Very well aware of this as I've mentioned 'etc.' on my post above to Accrington however mentioning skin colour made sense due to him saying about obvious characteristics.
Either way if you think someone winding you up deserves racist abuse then you need to update your views. I agree that Inih Effiong is a prick (as Eiphos says above) but in no uncertain terms does that mean he deserves racist abuse.

Mentioning skin colour when you're desperately trying hurl insults at someonr is defo racist.

What happens when the Pools away fans get called Dirty Northern Scum.
Been called that many a time at away matches down south!

Also heard many times the term dirty cockney b*stard aimed at opposing players after a bad tackle on a Pools player.

What about colour of hair, dirty ginger b*stard can often be heard if any of the opposition fit the bill.
Baldy b*stard, fat b*stard etc etc.

But the term black b*stard gets a big NO NO!

Let's hope Effiong doesn't misunderstand the Monkey Hangers banner!


https://imgur.com/a/eTYvBDh

“When we travelled to their ground, one of our players said, ‘Do they know their nickname is the Monkey Hangers?’. So that didn’t sound too promising, and in this day and age, you can’t have a nickname like that."

From the man himself!!!

I was travelling down to Pompey several years ago and stopped at Tesco’s in Towcester …..and while filling the boot two posh ladies approached to complain about the racist symbol on my back window….it was a Monkey Biz H’Angus head fixed on the rear window…..I explained the background and problem disappeared.
Who’s the racist though, assumimg that of a cartoon monkey head.

Yep those are all insults. You're saying that all those are bad things to be. Or that you dislike them or find them beneath you. You don't call people 'averagely built bastards' do you? Or 'brown haired tossers'? Or 'hair retaining swine'? You are insulting someone with the terms above for having that characteristic and being whatever insulting noun you follow it up with. If you choose to use 'black' in that context, you are using it as an insult.

"By the way ALL racists are Scum Black and White."

Part of my post in case you missed it.

Not all racist abuse is racist, feel free to call me a 'lovely lovely person' about that.
I don't consider myself racist, I absolutely despise the far right movement and discrimination, however... Effiong...that was abuse aimed at him not a race. He was being a prick , and got a bit back, is that fair game? I think sometimes people have got to accept that it's just insulting and not racism.

When I started my training years ago I was called aside and taken into the the office by one of the instructors while all the other lads were outside, he sat on the corner of his desk and I’ll always remember his words…. “I’ve got my eye on you…..you fucking gingers are trouble, always looking for a fight at the least provocation….you’ve been warned”……. I felt like hitting him

Why oh dear?
I've seen plenty of Pools players celebrating a goal in front of opposition fans.

Because it's racist.

It's only racist if the intent to be racist is there surely?

It' is THAT simple.

Why is racial abuse any worse than any other abuse makes it complicated and multi tiered though doesn't it?
Is a fat, ginger, short, disabled person any less hurt or offended by abuse solely because of their physical attributes? Should you get a criminal record for only one type of abuse?
It's so easy to play the race card nowadays, even though great strides have been made in anti-racism in this country over the last 30 years and more. So much harder for the accused to disprove racism when it's one word against another's, and usually guilty until proved innocent.

Your correct i should have said you are spot on, My Apologies.

I,m now going to place myself under house arrest, Well maybe after the match.

Funny that i was also pulled to one side on my first woodwork lesson at the big school, And told "I have my eye on you" by the teacher, Lovely 'lovely lovely person' he was.

I'm not qualified in any social sciences but I world say part of the reason would be that nobody has ever created an unjust two tier society based on gingerness.

I don't agree with a lot the woke left come out with but that hasn't got anything to do with deeming racial abuse aimed at a footballer, prick or otherwise, is wrong.

Are you a member of the Ginger Elite like

But the racial pendulum has in a lot of respects swung the other way hasn't it? Look at the BBC for instance, every new sports presenter seems to be non-white, similarly every new newsreader or documentary presenter.
Isn't that a bit racist and creative of a 2 tier environment?

Im still waiting for a bigger issue to be made out of this carnaval thing that happened in london. Has it just been brushed under the carpet? Just the 8 stabbings.

The BBC is anti English unlike Gb news.
And the for years have turned a blind eye to that not nice thing involving the underage.

A truly horrible corrupt corporation.
And I've got me TV licence due soon.
Bastads

you know quite well if the same thing had happened with the numbers for an anti immigration rally the main stream would have been all over it calling everyone involved racist. do not know what its like where i have previously worked where they still have a real mixed workforce. then if you did not get on or like an individual it was just one of those things where we all sat with like minded individuals whicj on the whole was on racial terms but only abused any if they were pricks and made our jobs harder.

Nowt will happen …you can bet money on it.

it was a sodding monkey. its always been to me and its their twisted minds who made something out of the situation. possibly the same type of person who moved to somewhere like towcester anyway to live in a nearly all white little town.

possibly say things are getting better as the numbers are lower than in previous years. isn,t it worth it for the sake of diversity and enrichment its caused.

Priorities for our government should be tackling immigration, knife crime, youth (18-24 year olds) unemployment, cost of living.
They've further impoverished many pensioners, and told us we're going to be worse off, opened the door wider for immigrants, let criminals out of jail early, great job so far Keir.

Same every year, Ban it.

well councils across the country have banned things like traveling fairs because they has been a few teenagers just having a scrap at them. you can provide all the facts needed to ban it without having the race card thrown at you. wonder what the met police hate the most. notting hill or two derby games between arsenal and spurs plus those who call for sanctions given to millwall in the past.