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 Post subject: Askey again
PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 2:47 pm 
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His team Truro got beat 1- 2 by Dorking and he give his opinions of the game. He said the 1st goal against was in his opinion a foul :roll: ( heard that one before ) and the winning game was caused by players not picking their men up at corners. ( carbon copy of most goals we conceded under him ). Looks like he won't be in that job much longer if he is repeating the problems he had here. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 3:43 pm 
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I'm still trying to work out how he got Maccy promoted. sctatchinghead.

He didn't have a clue at Pools.
Then a 3 year contract for taking us out the league and he did. Can't put that on Hartley n Curle.

Blame Bevvo hey :?:
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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 3:48 pm 
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He was a good manager sabotaged by bad luck and a lack of investment
Also seemed like a more than decent bloke so hope he does well.

Was always a tough assignment last year with so much of hartleys shite and to lose both Mancini and dodds for the season was something he couldn’t recover from.

Not a great manager but better than a lot of the jokers we had and wish him well.

Best managers I have seen at Pools.

Knowles
Cooper
Wadsworth
Wilson
Challinor


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 3:58 pm 
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Admit it, he wasn’t really.

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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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Snowy wrote:
Admit it, he wasn’t really.


Thus far he has achieved more than sarll…. Hopefully that isn’t the case come the end of the season


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 4:30 pm 
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loyal_fan wrote:
He was a good manager sabotaged by bad luck and a lack of investment
Also seemed like a more than decent bloke so hope he does well.

Was always a tough assignment last year with so much of hartleys shite and to lose both Mancini and dodds for the season was something he couldn’t recover from.

Not a great manager but better than a lot of the jokers we had and wish him well.

Best managers I have seen at Pools.

Knowles
Cooper
Wadsworth
Wilson
Challinor


I would add Hughes to that. He was never given a chance because he said it has it was and Hodcroft didn't like that so off he went. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 4:40 pm 
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Hughes as you say didn’t get much of a chance but in terms of what he did at pools doesn’t make the list

Most underrated and prematurely sacked was wadsworth, really got the best out of v limited resources for that level with good coaching and picked up some absolute gems like Baldwin


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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loyal_fan wrote:
Hughes as you say didn’t get much of a chance but in terms of what he did at pools doesn’t make the list

Most underrated and prematurely sacked was wadsworth, really got the best out of v limited resources for that level with good coaching and picked up some absolute gems like Baldwin



If I remember correctly Wadsworth was superb in away games but crap in home games overall. Cannot remember any other manager in history off the top of my head who had these statistics. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 6:15 pm 
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Yeah we couldn't win at home under Wadsworth - had his home record been swapped for his away one, I doubt he'd have been sacked.

I remember my stag do in Manchester - we had a box at Rochdale away and we won 2-1 in the August, with James Poole scoring a worldie. Got absolutely clattered after the match and we were the last to leave the stadium about half 7 as the beer was cheap, so we thought we'd take advantage!

I did think Wadsworth was unlucky to be sacked.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 6:21 pm 
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loyal_fan wrote:
He was a good manager sabotaged by bad luck and a lack of investment
Also seemed like a more than decent bloke so hope he does well.

Was always a tough assignment last year with so much of hartleys shite and to lose both Mancini and dodds for the season was something he couldn’t recover from.

Not a great manager but better than a lot of the jokers we had and wish him well.

Best managers I have seen at Pools.

Knowles
Cooper
Wadsworth
Wilson
Challinor


Agree with all of that loyal.
Reckon Wilson was the best for me, given the instant success and the players he signed, Monkhouse and Barker, was a great watch too!


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 6:28 pm 
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Whats the chances of us getting Truro in the cup.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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Wadsworth was in charge right around the time ior money ran out so really had to be innovative and punch above his weight, remember reading he preferred being a coach to a manger and in terms of making the most of what was available to him he did a very good job


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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Turner first time around was good, one of the few to leave rather than be sacked.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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Turner first time around was good, one of the few to leave rather than be sacked.



He was backed very heavily for what he delivered, his subsequent failures after he left are prob a better reflection of how good he was imo


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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Turned us around from almost certain relegation in his 1st season and then into perennial challengers. Regardless of backing you've still got to recruit well and then manage them.
Easy to say money wins everything but it's not worked out too well for Chelsea or Man Utd lately has it?


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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Didnt rate Wadsworth at all, the football under him was terrible. Only plan seemed to be to hit long high balls to Monkhouse to head into the box. For me Wilson was the best of that lot closely followed by Cooper and Cyril.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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loyal_fan wrote:
PTID wrote:
Turner first time around was good, one of the few to leave rather than be sacked.



He was backed very heavily for what he delivered, his subsequent failures after he left are prob a better reflection of how good he was imo


To be truthful, Neale Cooper's second spell in charge was absolutely dreadful - 17.5% win percentage over 40 games. And Coops also enjoyed very good backing from IOR in his first spell.

Credit where credit is due for fatty Turner.

I'd also add Alan Murray to the list of top Pools managers - he did a very good job of building on the legacy Cyril left for him, including a promotion. Not his fault Gary Gibson's bankruptcy dropped the club in the clarts and he still managed a 44% win percentage over 114 games.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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Agree Murray was one of the better ones too.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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Great times under Fred Westgarth. No money begged and borrowed got us to 2nd in league to Derby County when only one went up and the cup ties against Burnley,Chelsea,Man United(Busby Babes)Soke, Notts Forest, great times. Amongst these ties we also had two relays against Darlington before getting through.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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Flying Hogans wrote:
loyal_fan wrote:
PTID wrote:
Turner first time around was good, one of the few to leave rather than be sacked.



He was backed very heavily for what he delivered, his subsequent failures after he left are prob a better reflection of how good he was imo


To be truthful, Neale Cooper's second spell in charge was absolutely dreadful - 17.5% win percentage over 40 games. And Coops also enjoyed very good backing from IOR in his first spell.

Credit where credit is due for fatty Turner.

I'd also add Alan Murray to the list of top Pools managers - he did a very good job of building on the legacy Cyril left for him, including a promotion. Not his fault Gary Gibson's bankruptcy dropped the club in the clarts and he still managed a 44% win percentage over 114 games.


Even tho ior backed cooper we were doing it at a higher level , and we were out matched financially by a number of teams, look at the top 6 the 2 years we made the playoffs, the closest to us in terms of size were Swindon and tranmere who have both been bigger than us historically


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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loyal_fan wrote:
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Turner first time around was good, one of the few to leave rather than be sacked.



He was backed very heavily for what he delivered, his subsequent failures after he left are prob a better reflection of how good he was imo

I’d describe Turner as banging on the door but never getting in, we could have done better and achieved more in my opinion…and you are correct, as after leaving here he did nowt.

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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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Turner started off the so called glory days of getting into the play-offs.
Excellent attacking football. Plenty of games weed give the opposition a goal start then destroy them.
But back in them days footballers were of a lot higher quality even in the lower divisions.

More boring continental tactics than skill n flair for sure nowadays.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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He never made the breakthrough though did he.

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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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Sarll. 100% record. At this point in time, statistically our best manager. Which just reinforces the statement you can “prove” anything with statistics


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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Sarll. 100% record. At this point in time, statistically our best manager. Which just reinforces the statement you can “prove” anything with statistics

Best time to quit when your team has never lost or conceded a goal during your managership….one game might just be pushing it a teeny weeny bit :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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Sarll. 100% record. At this point in time, statistically our best manager. Which just reinforces the statement you can “prove” anything with statistics


And every game a clean sheet. :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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not many managers can make a silk purse out of a sows ear or have luck in the transfer market by signing players who come off at there new club. thats before you bring there budgets into it. loyal was correct by saying askey had no luck after the injuries kicked in. we will see shortly if the ream is better than askeys after a few games when we were riding high under him and see if sarll is as upbeat if we have injuries to main players that totally disrupted the side if lightening strikes us twice.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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His team Truro got beat 1- 2 by Dorking and he give his opinions of the game. He said the 1st goal against was in his opinion a foul :roll: ( heard that one before ) and the winning game was caused by players not picking their men up at corners. ( carbon copy of most goals we conceded under him ). Looks like he won't be in that job much longer if he is repeating the problems he had here. :roll:


I was there. It was a foul to be fair. Two handed shove in the back. Ref was dire - the kit clash was a joke. Dorking looked pretty good, but Truro were competitive for a lot of the game. They'll be fine this year. The two worries were the marking at set pieces and the lack of pressing high up the pitch. The one time Truro pressed high they won the ball and it led to a goal.


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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Looking back pools team under cooper the 1st time arohbd was a real mix of under the radar gems who we would never normally have afforded + the best 2 youth team prospects we have had in last 30 years excluding Miller, ie Sweeney and Boyd

Players like dimi strachan and Porter signed on frees but good wages along with the likes of Nelson, Williams etc who we paid fees for
That aligned to An amazing team spirit produced a fantastic team and some of the best times we ever had
Never saw it coming after the sheff Wed game (thanks Scott) but showed how much had to go right at the same time for a club like ours to get a shot at the championship….fucking tragic bad luck and questionable refereeing took it away from
Us when we were so close, and all so sheff wed could yo yo between divisions for fans who thought it was all beneath them anyway


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 Post subject: Re: Askey again
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And don't forget that letter Loyal sent to the club on the weekend we where in Cardiff. It said something along the lines of " If Pools are winning with 10 minutes to play a penalty would be given and a player sent off " Hodcroft give it to the Police to investigate and they lost it :roll: I always thought that was sent by Cloughie he new the people who controlled football and never trusted any of them. I remember when I bumped into him on a Saturday night in the motorway services on the way home from a game. He filled his Merc then jogged past me in his green top and said " Hey Hartlepools United " when he looked at my shirt. How strange the letter was addressed to Hartlepools United. sctatchinghead


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