The exceptionally quick trials of the rioters has set me thinking…in all the previous terrorist related trials everything goes quiet and months later the details eventually filter through.
Now while the people convicted, having been sent to jail is not a problem to me, as they deserved it, what I find odd, is that these trials were quickly organised and widely publicised….a case of ‘Pour encourager les autres.’…?
Is it wise to hold a trial when emotions are running high and would it not have been better to remand people in custody for a trial at a later date…?

Hit them hard and fast to make people think twice before being a twat.

That could apply to any criminal, and doesn’t answer the question.

I think they've done it deliberately to stop the riots happening again and upto now it's worked.
Only an absolute idiot would go on a riot now after seeing the sentences given out.
Then again only an absolute idiot would have gone on them before the arrests and sentencing.

That’s why they’ve done it..ok ….but it’s a change of policy…they could have been remanded in custody, same effect with an eventual trial, they do it for other people.
A bit like some rampant rapist being caught and trialled within a couple of days, we know the trial would be months away despite the horrific nature of his crimes.

This is so high profile and important to people now it needs the action Hartleblue suggests.

They should just go into the queue just like every other individual accused of crime. There's far worse criminals than rioters who wait years before facing justice.

These are not complex crimes. Were you caught on camera throwing stuff, setting fire to stuff, attacking a police officer, indulging in hate speech, stealing from Lush? Well guess what’s coming.
Of course they’re been prioritised as a deterrent and rightly so.

If I took a cctv video of someone speaking my car or putting bricks through my window to the cops I could expect the perpetrator to be tried and in jail within 4 days as well then?

So who decides what high profile crimes are…politicians? Bad road to travel down.
Terrorist offences are high profile crimes that need action, but there’s usually a blackout straight away and any trial comes months/years down the road….why aren’t the deals with immediately?

So one law for the daft lads eh…?
We have a judiciary to sort these things out, not politicians or the baying crowd.

I was thinking the same thing. Some awful crimes take yonks to get sorted but on this one subject it’s all sorted out from start to finish within a week, and on TV to boot. It’s almost Russian like.

I see the suspended Labour Councillor arrested in London has been remanded in custody, after being charged with encouraging violent disorder…..but no court appearance till September.

So no mention of immigration from Starmer. Thing that got me was that twat demanding throats being cut and obvious "white Brits" alongside cheering. Reminds me of the so called Anti Nazi League from years gone by who were more fascist and right wing than those they opposed. One up to the state here as they have for the moment neutralised and labelled anybody who questions mass immigration as right wing thugs, fascists et al.

But wanting mass murders is not as serious as someone pushing a wheelie bin or throwing a pebble.

God should of made us all the same colour.
Lite Green.

And now the Mayor of London says he doesn't feel safe.
Really.
Well he aint the only one.
Well hopefully it's game over for this 2 week carnage.

It was a spasm, but the cause has not been addressed.
The whole series of events was monkey see, monkey do and it’ll just die away because despite all the guff it wasn’t organised…that much was embarrassingly apparent…unlike the opposition with their neatly printed placards.
As Labour are now considering cuts to the defence budget, after talking tough too months ago let’s hope the Army doesn’t end up like the Salvation Army .

They have all been quickly dealt with as they pleaded guilty, no trial needed just sentencing after being caught on camera.

So why not be as swift with everyone who breaks the law and is caught red handed?
Those already in the system have justice delayed even longer to make way for what is to all intents and purposes political expediency.

Because they wanted the riots to stop as quickly as possible like any sane person.

No different to every other sane person who wants criminals locked up as soon as possible?
What about the victims of crime who are waiting for their assailants to face justice, who maybe 2 or 3 years down the line will be in court reliving their ordeals and even worse being torn apart by lawyers trying to get guilty people off the hook?
Absolute knee jerk reaction totally politically led.

Nothing knee jerk about it, it was an obvious solution to an immediate problem.

You didn’t want to see a deterrent to people rioting and looting local businesses?

Where did I say that?
What I said is that the judicial process should be consistent and fair, especially to the victims of crime. Do you disagree?

It doesn’t work like that tho it’s each case on its merits.

two years for chucking an egg seems rather harsh.

Might have been a hard boiled criminal.

more likely just get a crime number within 4 days. would they go out of the way either to catch somebody who gave you a kicking in the street in a town before these riots occurred. will they today if there was no riots.

want to see a deterrent to all crime including shop lifting where those involved seem to be getting a free pass. this all seams a bit different to the softer approach taken in the BLM riots with mass looting that was on camera also.

Obviously Gunna be difference of opinions on this subject.

But WHY does it take so long for these BBC and other nonces and foreign Grooming Gangs to be brought to Justice.

Obviously more evidence to gather.
But Howay it shudent drag on for years

They can punish them as hard as the court see’s fit for me, but deterrents should apply to everyone …..which is something that hasn’t been getting done for years, soft laws, soft responses, yet when it gets a bit too close to home it gets tightened up sharpish….tighten all deterrent's up.

fine as long as it is used for that reason and not a plan to make legitimate reasonable protests some sort of crime itself. any could quickly turn nasty if protesters are goaded into action by the actions of the police themselves. law abiding folk will think twice about protesting now helping the government to do more that a good percentage do not want to happen.

Amen to that, I do remember the harsh speedy sentences in the 2011 riots over the police shooting of a gun toting would be gangster.

[quote="accrington fan"][quote="Rinkender"][quote="PTID"]No different to every other sane person who wants criminals locked up as soon as possible?
What about the victims of crime who are waiting for their assailants to face justice, who maybe 2 or 3 years down the line will be in court reliving their ordeals and even worse being torn apart by lawyers trying to get guilty people off the hook?
Absolute knee jerk reaction totally politically led.[/quote]

You didn’t want to see a deterrent to people rioting and looting local businesses?[/quote]
want to see a deterrent to all crime including shop lifting where those involved seem to be getting a free pass. this all seams a bit different to the softer approach taken in the BLM riots with mass looting that was on camera also.[/quote]

Majority of shoplifters are scum of the earth smack heads.
Never Gunna pay fines and mainly only get custodial sentences for house Burgalrys.

So your Free Pass quote is spot on unfortunately.
3 of these vermin outside the Premier Shop this morning scrounging for quids.
Anyone else notice their HQ at the bottom of the ramp in the shopping centre.
Fucken scum bastads.

especially after a few days before they wanted to release criminals early due to the jails being full. like everything political they,ll find a solution when it suits them and say there isn,t one the other way. wonder if we,ll see stop and search increasing over the coming weeks. doubt it as its unconfortable being a bigger percentage of those involved being of a certain colour.

Mad reading some of these comments! Surely people can see there are exceptional circumstance?! There was fear of far right pricks spreading violence further around the country, with locals swelling their numbers. There was the real chance of the riots causing millions of pounds of damage and risk of widespread injury.
If a community is attacked they’re also going to protect themselves, so the whole thing spirals into something even worse.
The government, justice system and police have acted in a coordinated manner to deter something much worse (which has worked) and I think in this case they all should be given credit.

Exactly, and I have a feeling the majority of those given two year sentences will be out before Christmas. Once it has served it's purpose.

so you think the far right pricks and locals joining in to cause trouble are the majority with only the odd serious protester around. feel you are possibly against the cause of stopping the boats and reducing mass immigration therefore these rioters have helped your cause indirectly more than they have on serious protesters and their point of view.

Exactly Mikey. I just can't understand and believe that others on here can't see it. It had to be done exactly how it was to stop the riots. I believe if these rioters weren't fast tracked through the Courts the riots would still be happening 100%.

Sunderland rioters jailed, the woman got two and a half years, whilst I have no sympathy as she shouldn’t have been there appears to be a bit harsh, the prosecutor was called Omar Amhed ?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9wjrvvr22wo

again is it the actual the reason for the protests you want stopping and using the riots that have happened to push your point of view.

not really as they fit the crime. its just the softer sentences handed out previously that make people think that way. however the future will be interesting after everything settles down to see the length of sentences given to others. this started with the just stop oil demonstrators and not just this one.

There was an immediate out of the ordinary need to stop the riots. The speedy and hefty convictions undoubtedly helped. Effective and necessary regardless of any whataboutery.

The right to protest is unquestionable, even for the far right, who have always been able to openly express their opinion. They fill in the paperwork with the police, like anyone who wants to organise a protest does, and they get on with it.
What has been happening isn’t protest, it’s violent action, hate crime and targeting specific groups of people, which is obviously against the law (that is obvious isn’t it?)

Whataboutery - succinctly sums up this thread!

The guy arrested in Darlo was squealing im a kid, when he was taken to the ground.A young upstanding member of the travelling community

Let’s hope the punishment handed out deters any more riots but if doesn’t how far can you go with the punishments. There must a lawful limit to what a person can be sentenced for a crime committed or is at the courts discretion ?

Agree with that and the treatment dished out to the rioters/property destroyers and you put the point over well and that's how it should be and is very toned down to some of the other comments put earlier. I mentioned the fact that comments had to be toned down. What is divisive and gets people's backs up is the unfair labelling of ordinary folk who are not rioting, nor are they far right.That is just point scoring for the sake of it.
Having witnessed the speed of the Government, Police and Judiciary people are now expecting that to happen elsewhere in future and we'll have to wait and see.
Precedents have been set and there's nothing wrong with that. Will those precedents be continued is the hot question of the day.
The other question that I asked is why ordinary, law abiding British citizens like me, who have paid into and contributed to society, for years and years have to pay for dental care, after being refused it on the NHS, when illegal invaders of my Country are given that care freely.

They could have been arrested and remanded in custody, exactly the same effect, they’re off the streets and awaiting trial…..like everybody else….. the ‘rush’ to look macho ill suits Starmer.
I said it would fizzle out and it has apart from a few knobs like Ww2 Japanese soldiers who don’t know the war is over.

Can we have a truce between 2.30 and 5.00 so I can watch the match

But those already sentenced all plead guilty...that's the difference. If they plead not guilty it would have went to a trial in the future.