Gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought they were going after the rich

means tested, not gone completely

Probably means got savings ya won't get it any more.

If you are on certain benefits like pension tax credits/other means tested you will still receive it.
However for the rest of us it will stop. My concern is for those people who are just above these limits but are on low income. The payment in the winter would have been a comfort faced with the winter weather and the cost of xmas. As for me personally it's not of much concern considering the triple lock.
Will there be another rebellion on this one?

It’s the people with only the basic state pension I feel sorry for.

Disgraceful, over budget on Assylum seekers, unfunded aid to Ukraine, 22% wage rise to Dr's but clobber the old and the frail.
Those pensioners just above the credit threshold are in for a long hard winter. And she's coming after the elderly with CGT amd IHT in October too, and of course the perennial favourite of Chancellors the motorists.

This is what we get when the majority is so big and a prime minister who is a blatant liar to the country and even some of his own MPs. A man who told us no tax rises and he would look after the pensioners. He has alienated his deputy and also is going against the countries wishes by creeping up to the EU, No doubt he will give away our fishing grounds to the French as requested. Grow a pair man you are supposed to be running the country not selling us all down the river. You knew the state of the country when you took over now stop the claptrap and do something.

What a surprise i guess they forgot to tell the pensioners who voted for them how they were going to shaft them.

Oh well not to worry.........

And so it begins.............

From what I recall in the debates

He refused to answer the question on tax rises on pensions. Sunak asked him continually, he refused to answer him

I'm more angry with the way the Tories left the finances, we watched cut after cut for the rich, alongside nothing short of money being siphoned off to friends of friends, Michelle Mone anyone

Things need fixing, it's going to be tough. Shift your anger towards those who were supposed to be running the show for 14 years.

And before anyone says it, I'm not a Starmer fan, far from it

And rightly so, Just like you should not get money for having kids, your responsibility.

I agree the country needed a change but this guy is not the man to lead the country, the strong rumour is that Tony Blair is pulling the puppets strings and look at the state he got us into.

Aye, Bring back shoerack, never told a fib in his life.
Makes me chuckle when folk are surprised when MPs tell lies.

But who's pulling Blairs strings?

Aye Mr Teflon, Britains most notorious serial killer.

And some people are still under the illusion that they represent/ look after the working man.

Correction…Any pensioner claiming benefits will get the full winter fuel money still …if you aren’t you get nowt

Keir'll fix it for you and you......

If you replace the ‘i’ in ‘fix’ with a ‘u’, we could be on the right line of thought.

Well whoever voted for this lot basically shit on their own nests.
Life goes on tho.

Revaluations of the council tax upwards to pay for income tax freezes.
But don't rule out that melting in 2026.

Mandeldson’s also putting his input in too.

Blair is a member of the WEF and his Global Change Institute are both in favour of redistribution of wealth from richer to poorer countries, and more control of citizens across the world bringing them all into alignment under the guise of improving global health and security. The Great Reset is gathering pace.

The government need to put a ‘sweetener’ in the October budget for pensioners like raising the tax threshold so the State Pension is paid tax free.

Can't see it, Labour have history of using pensioners as an easy target. Watch out for more and more means testing of the poorest in society. They're also going to steal our money when we die, probably bring main residence into calculation for IHT, pension funds handed down will probably be included also. Short term gains but it'll just mean most will stop contributing to pension schemes in the long term.
Meanwhile inflation busting pay rises will co tinge for themselves and the public sector which must surely cause higher inflation. They'll claim to have stopped the strikes but at what cost, and they'll certainly not introduce new more efficient working practices as that would mean going toe to toe with the unions.
Winter is coming!

There was a time not so long ago when no one received winter fuel allowance, should everyone really get it ?

It was introduced in 1997 by Gordon Brown.
IMO 27 years means its baked into the state pension (tax free).
This is one the worst decisions made by a labour government and attacks people of limited means.
I hope someone tables an amendment and Starmer will have to withdraw the whip from 100+ MPs if they have the bottle.
Apart from this issue i have no problems with the Chancellors statement yesterday.

That’s a big blow for Gary Lineker he was due to get it next year as well.

good point thats ignored by many. as someone who will be losing it i,d say it was handy but unless we have a really long and severe winter i doubt we,ll freeze to death. what did us pensioners actually do with the money. doubt we put it a side for just the bills it was meant to be for. the most annoying this is som will get it and others will not and there will not be much of a difference financially for those who can claim and those who might just miss out.

so many will accept anything as long as income tax is not raised. have always said the more of that tax you pay the more you have to spend. indirect taxation like VAT affects everyone but the poorer you are you,ll suffer the most.

But isn't this exactly what people are wanting to happen in this country, money taken off the richest and passed to the poorest in society. Funny how we are ok for it happening here but not globally?

In itself it is a few hundred quid removed from our income pot but is it part of a greater plan and this is only the beginning, a tester so to speak.
The state pension is nowhere near the living wage, so these little "perks" make it easier to manage. Removing any or all of them will have an effect, small to some and a bit more to others. Other perks include bus passes, free prescriptions, free eye tests. Then there's the triple lock. Has she any intention of taking more from us is my question.
Maybe if the state pension was enough for the elderly to live comfortably on all these perks could be removed.
A Labour Government gave it and now a Labour Government is going to take it away.
I wouldn't put it past the Tories to take it away but Labour doing it wasn't expected. They shouted loud enough when the Tories put the two child benefit cap on but can't now see their way clear to removing it.
The chancellor says it was necessary. Really. I'd take some convincing on that statement.
That's one change that doesn't make a lot of people better off.
I hope the increases about to be handed out to Doctors et al are reflected in the triple lock, that's if we still have one.
What happened to the proposed levy on millionaires. Maybe they've realised that those types will just piss off somewhere else.
I wonder what the original Kier would think of it all.
Oh well, prepare to batten the hatches.

I think the issue is that there are a lot fewer people who are millionaires than they think (once accountants get involved and reduce their assets). The Greens had something in their manifesto about a levy on billionaires and I think they said it would only affect 171 people!!

Also, is it a one off levy or a continual annual levy as they are "applying" to the energy company on their profits?

main question to ask is how much will the government save by removing the payment. not much i,d guess in the bigger picture so there must be other bad news to expect. we have 5 years of this to suffer and the motoring pensioner i feel will be the ones hit the most. why, because many never vote labour but others do nd they,ll be doing their upmost to get their old friends back on side.

It's an issue for a lot of pensioners but there are many who really don't need it. In a post covid world , and with massive issues to face, including rearmament, we are going to see these things happening. Kevin your references to Reform and reducing tax etc is based on them massively cutting public expenditure , not just immigration, so everyone would suffer then. Our Biggest issue is going to be defending our shores and that probably means drone armies and operators rather than expensive kit like aircraft carriers. These are very interesting times and there will be difficult changes to face. As for the NHS , if we can keep staff and get rid of the locum then the payrise e is more than justified.

Mr Fan, the saving is £1.4b I believe?

As a EV driver, many of you will be happy when those cars are taxed, which is going to happen soon as well.

The Labour Party is no longer the party of the people, it’s a centralist party, how many of the current MPs rose through the ‘factory floor’ before becoming involved in politics then an MP ? I think there is a bigger chance of people/unions revolting under the so called Labour Party than there was with the Conservative Party, whilst the Conservatives have a lot to answer for you can’t keep blaming them to introduce new measures.

The Tories sadly we're not public servants, they royally took the piss with their sex scandals, lies, corrupt contracts etc. The worst Govt for generations. Labour will also have their idiots but they have to be stamped on.

The savings estimate is quoted at around One and a half billion.
I would suggest the pensioners would make that go a lot further than the chancellor will. A lot of pensioners are juggling their income to get it to go as far as they can. They were brought up doing it. Is taking a few hundred quid worth the risk of chipping away at someone's personal pride and dignity.
We'll manage, me and our lass and it won't force us over the poverty line but I think it is shameful and hope it isn't a signal of what is to come. Most will just grin and bear it.
Aye change is needed but as I have said before, it has to be change for the better.

The first of many issues the government should be looking at is employees working minimum hours so they can still claim benefits, I appreciate not every one is in a position to increase their working hours but the system is abused by employees and employers.

Saying people don't need it is a sweeping statement and easy to say.
What do you say to people who do need it. Something like "sorry chum but because some people don't need it I am going to remove it from everybody who currently get it, with the exception of a percentage who are exempt, so you'll have to get on without it"
If a chancellor applied the you only get what you need philosophy across the board would you be happy with that because people on state pension only are currently being told they only need around £11.5k per annum. The national minimum wage far exceeds that. Would you be happy with living on that and then someone come along and took another few hundred quid off you.

Means test it by all means but stick the income level up a bit. You now have to be really poor to get it, or to put it another way, that little pension you struggled to finance by yourself - the pittance you receive from that will end up costing you more in lost benefits etc.

Is that you Keir.

That was a Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the Toolmaker’s and Bugger the Pensioners Party.

Wait until they scrap the freeze on fuel duty (and the extra 5p off the Tories gave) plus an annual inflation rise! - It will be self money generation for them as everything will rise in price - so inflation rises and bugger me the duty goes up even more!
They want to make it so expensive to drive a petrol or diesel motor so that they can implement their net zero fantasy and bankrupt the country!
Ah well ill be able to buy a Chinese EV made with coal powered energy and dubious polluting mining practices for the Lithium battery and they'll tell me im doing the right thing

You couldn't make it up! - There's a few I know wishing they hadn't voted for them already

We had one at our place, refused to work more than a certain number of hours otherwise his benefits would be cut.
Eventually left to move to Scotland where the benefits were more generous apparently so needs to work fewer hours now.

Give over Snowy

It’s what I do…….

PS ….There ain’t gonna be no war, so the guff about putting taxes up for defence which Starmer has stated won’t be 2.5% anyway… and won’t spend anyway on defence …is for the Pixies down the garden.

Same horse different rider But worse than that this rider will cheat anyway he can to get to the finishing line much quicker ( 2030 ) whereas the other rider would have taken a little longer to finish ( 2036 )