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 Post subject: Waspi Women
PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:05 pm 
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See the ombudsman has finally reported that these women were not told properly about the state pension age change from 60 to 65 and now 66. They've also recommended compensation of up to £2950 for every woman affected. The DWP according to the ombudsman has said they will not pay up. The ombudsman has now asked Parliament to I tervene and force DWP to comply.
Can't see any MP not voting in favour of paying up, especially so close to an election.
Staggering if it'd true that a government department will not comply with the ombudsman's ruling - what is the point of the ombudsman and what confidence does it give any of us plebs in any so called regulator or ombudsman?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:11 pm 
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Equality is a double edged sword. The compensation is small considering the issue is about timing and notice given. I think a lot of women thought they would get most of the money back. I know a few who have been affected and it seemed cruel that they had elder sisters who retired at 60. I can't see the compensation being increased though due to the cost involved.

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 Post subject: Re: Waspi Women
PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:16 pm 
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See the ombudsman has finally reported that these women were not told properly about the state pension age change from 60 to 65 and now 66. They've also recommended compensation of up to £2950 for every woman affected. The DWP according to the ombudsman has said they will not pay up. The ombudsman has now asked Parliament to I tervene and force DWP to comply.
Can't see any MP not voting in favour of paying up, especially so close to an election.
Staggering if it'd true that a government department will not comply with the ombudsman's ruling - what is the point of the ombudsman and what confidence does it give any of us plebs in any so called regulator or ombudsman?


I want to know why they got to finish five years before the blokes anyway in this world of ‘equality’…Me Granda works his puddings out in the shipyard, gets bombed at sea in the merchant navy and drops down dead in his fifties, me nan lived into her 80’s….maybe the blokes should have retired at 60 and the ‘wimmmmin’ at 75.

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 Post subject: Re: Waspi Women
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There's no way the government will up the compensation although Labour might promise to if they get in power (long history of promising all things to everyone when in opposition).
I just never cease to be amazed by the sheer arrogance of government, this time in defying the ombudsman.


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 Post subject: Re: Waspi Women
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I don't think the issue was about equalising the pension age, back in the day it would have been easy to just write and tell the women what was happening. If they done that there wouldn't have been an issue.


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 Post subject: Re: Waspi Women
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I want to know why they got to finish five years before the blokes anyway in this world of ‘equality’…Me Granda works his puddings out in the shipyard, gets bombed at sea in the merchant navy and drops down dead in his fifties, me nan lived into her 80’s….maybe the blokes should have retired at 60 and the ‘wimmmmin’ at 75.


In this world of equality men and women do retire at the same age. Only fair, as they're benefiting from equality legislation in loads of other respects.
My granda started to lose his mind in his early 60s, while he was still working down the pit. Used to sit and stare into the fire for ages. A year or so after he retired me granny was giving him bed baths and feeding him like a baby.
And some call them the good old days.


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I don't think the issue was about equalising the pension age, back in the day it would have been easy to just write and tell the women what was happening. If they done that there wouldn't have been an issue.

There’s been a Labour Minister decrying this, but while giving out the usual how unfair and terrible this is and knocking the Government, I suspect that despite the non committal words ……nothing will change when in office.

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Nearly 4 million votes at stake.


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 Post subject: Re: Waspi Women
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Nearly 4 million votes at stake.

Now that is awkward, because Labour are gonna win the election and will have to find the money…..as in any other circumstance other than a election, the politicians would all bluff and bluster and hope it goes away.
What I don’t understand is this was initiated in 1991 then made law in 1995, then phased in in 2011 and was given wide publicity at the time, yet some complain they knew nothing about it which I find hard to credit

That’s 20 years, so those affected could carry on working officially and get paid till they retired….. so their income would remain the same and would that be deducted from any compensation claim?

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 Post subject: Re: Waspi Women
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I agree most but not all would have been aware it was changing but if they'd just sent a letter to everyone affected at the time legislation was passed there wouldn't be an issue. Difficult to prove people knew based on expecting them to get the info from the media as it was at the time.
Think a lot were expecting to be reimbursed the full amount they'd not received between age 60 and now but the ombudsman has suggested between 1 and 3 grand apiece.


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 Post subject: Re: Waspi Women
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We’ve had Tory and Labour governments during this time and neither have shown anything but lip service to this question ….. Now call me a cynic, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s kicked into the long grass.

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 Post subject: Re: Waspi Women
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It’s amazing that this government or any government can simply ignore the ombudsman. As said above, what’s the point in any ombudsman if they can be ignored.

Think of all the legal stuff we all have to comply with on a regular basis, and if we don’t then we get fined or worse - yet the government can simply wriggle out of things, they do it over and over.


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It’s amazing that this government or any government can simply ignore the ombudsman. As said above, what’s the point in any ombudsman if they can be ignored.

Think of all the legal stuff we all have to comply with on a regular basis, and if we don’t then we get fined or worse - yet the government can simply wriggle out of things, they do it over and over.

Thing is, it’s one of those things that get occasional publicity but most women just accepted it at the time and moved on…..even the wife and her mates thought nowt about it…with a 20 year notice by Labour, Tory and Lib Dem politicians in government it can hardly have crept up unnoticed…the Ombudsman’s
‘recommendations ’ were hardly gonna be anything else other than approval in these woke times…they merely passed the buck further down the line.

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Many women didn’t know Snowy. Many men didn’t know. A lot of people simply don’t understand or think about money.

As said above, if the government had written letters to everyone involved, then this wouldn’t be an issue, various governments ballsed it up.


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 Post subject: Re: Waspi Women
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Infidel wrote:
Many women didn’t know Snowy. Many men didn’t know. A lot of people simply don’t understand or think about money.

As said above, if the government had written letters to everyone involved, then this wouldn’t be an issue, various governments ballsed it up.

sorry but i knew about it and it never concerned me. the fault happened the day pensions were given to women 5 years before a man even though their average life span is longer. both the same would have been fairer. then why wasn,t there this fuss when it was being mentioned and is it more about getting compo than anything else.


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Many women didn’t know Snowy. Many men didn’t know. A lot of people simply don’t understand or think about money.

As said above, if the government had written letters to everyone involved, then this wouldn’t be an issue, various governments ballsed it up.

We must move in different circles as our lass told me about it when the proposal came out in 1991….
People do care about money and women were demonstrating about it when the proposal came out…. trouble is, not enough women cared to do anything about it, if they did they wouldn’t be in the position they’re in now, because the protests were of a size to be ignored by all Governments over the past 33 years.

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Infidel wrote:
Many women didn’t know Snowy. Many men didn’t know. A lot of people simply don’t understand or think about money.

As said above, if the government had written letters to everyone involved, then this wouldn’t be an issue, various governments ballsed it up.


Maybe the government didn’t want them to know or they were liberal with the truth, when the Chancellor makes his budget statement it doesn’t include all what he plans to implement, he would be standing talking for hours if he did.
When the new state pension rates were introduced in 2016 people who were eligible for their pension pre 2016 receive less, £169.50 if you retired in 2015 compared to £203.65 if you retired after 2016, I can’t understand the reasoning behind that ?


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Many women didn’t know Snowy. Many men didn’t know. A lot of people simply don’t understand or think about money.

As said above, if the government had written letters to everyone involved, then this wouldn’t be an issue, various governments ballsed it up.

We must move in different circles as our lass told me about it when the proposal came out in 1991….
People do care about money and women were demonstrating about it when the proposal came out…. trouble is, not enough women cared to do anything about it, if they did they wouldn’t be in the position they’re in now, because the protests were of a size to be ignored by all Governments over the past 33 years.

women not caring reminds me of when i was working and hardly any bothered attending a union branch meeting and would have got out of the union to save a few bob if it was possible at the time. they never refused any benefits that came their way even improved toilet facilities that us blokes fought for on their behalf.


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Snowy wrote:
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Many women didn’t know Snowy. Many men didn’t know. A lot of people simply don’t understand or think about money.

As said above, if the government had written letters to everyone involved, then this wouldn’t be an issue, various governments ballsed it up.

We must move in different circles as our lass told me about it when the proposal came out in 1991….
People do care about money and women were demonstrating about it when the proposal came out…. trouble is, not enough women cared to do anything about it, if they did they wouldn’t be in the position they’re in now, because the protests were of a size to be ignored by all Governments over the past 33 years.


We do move in different circles, that’s the point. Some people knew, others didn’t.

I know people who didn’t know.

However, the DWP do know where everyone lives, they take money from us all on a regular basis, so why they couldn’t send out loads of letters is beyond me?


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 Post subject: Re: Waspi Women
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Exactly, back then they used to send everyone a letter with their tax codes on it sometimes more than 1 a year if the budget changed anything midyear.
To identify all women who would be affected and send them a letter would have been a piece of puss and is pretty much what the ombudsman has stated.
The bigger issue for me is the way this government just break the rules, bend them, or change them whenever it suits. To ignore the recommendations of the ombudsman is a really bad precedent to set.


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PTID wrote:
Exactly, back then they used to send everyone a letter with their tax codes on it sometimes more than 1 a year if the budget changed anything midyear.
To identify all women who would be affected and send them a letter would have been a piece of puss and is pretty much what the ombudsman has stated.
The bigger issue for me is the way this government just break the rules, bend them, or change them whenever it suits. To ignore the recommendations of the ombudsman is a really bad precedent to set.


Likewise about the State Pension.


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