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 Post subject: Why are we destroying everything for people who will anyway
PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:46 pm 
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Boris Johnson allegedly asked why we are destroying the economy for people who will die anyway, the Covid inquiry has heard.
Just goes to shoe where we are in the pecking order yet some Tories still want Johnson as PM again.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:55 pm 
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Elderly people have always had to be more careful pre covid/cold whatever you believe on the subject, To a degree he's right and my elderly family if they knew it would cause as much damage to the economy as it has and to my children's futures view it in an entirely different way now, they have both said they would rather have been extra careful and masked up/do whatever is needed just like they did for flu to avoid destroying a future for the next generation with damaging lockdowns.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:35 pm 
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Elderly people have always had to be more careful pre covid/cold whatever you believe on the subject, To a degree he's right and my elderly family if they knew it would cause as much damage to the economy as it has and to my children's futures view it in an entirely different way now, they have both said they would rather have been extra careful and masked up/do whatever is needed just like they did for flu to avoid destroying a future for the next generation with damaging lockdowns.

Please, no more Covid stuff. ;)

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Please, no more Covid stuff. ;)[/quote]

That's truly shocking Snowy- and you should know better! refred

Jamie will tell you when it's finished and having only just started a new thread- clearly has plenty still to say! bbolt


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Kettering Poolie wrote:
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Please, no more Covid stuff. ;)


That's truly shocking Snowy- and you should know better! refred

Jamie will tell you when it's finished and having only just started a new thread- clearly has plenty still to say! bbolt[/quote]
I refer the gentleman to my previous post!!!! :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Why are we destroying everything for people who will any
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Snowy wrote:
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Please, no more Covid stuff. ;)


That's truly shocking Snowy- and you should know better! refred

Jamie will tell you when it's finished and having only just started a new thread- clearly has plenty still to say! bbolt

I refer the gentleman to my previous post!!!! :laugh:[/quote]

Covid is still rife in the U.K. that’s why the vulnerable are being vaccinated.
The thread is about how cynical Johnson was and whilst partying up in Downing Street whilst people were dying and he said let them as they are damaging the economy.


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 Post subject: Re: Why are we destroying everything for people who will any
PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:33 am 
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In hindsight Boris almost got it right, should've shielded the elderly and let the rest get on with life.
Longer term effects of lockdowns will not be felt or understood for years yet.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:43 am 
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In hindsight Boris almost got it right, should've shielded the elderly and let the rest get on with life.
Longer term effects of lockdowns will not be felt or understood for years yet.


What did Johnson nearly get right ?
Try telling that to the people who lost relatives and friends, Johnson didn’t get anything right, he didn’t listen to advice from the medical experts, let’s see what he has to say at the enquiry.


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 Post subject: Re: Why are we destroying everything for people who will any
PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2023 8:19 am 
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I said he almost got it right.....
If they'd shielded the elderly and vulnerable the majority of the population could have carried on as normal. Many lives could have been saved and lockdowns needn't have happened.
They said they'd thrown a safety net around care homes when they'd done the polar opposite.
People dying alone shouldn't have happened, relatives should've been told the risks and given the option to visit then isolate. You could go to work with a total stranger but not be there at the end of a loved ones life - shockingly wrong call.
Obviously not an easy position at the time, and Medical advice was only a part of the management process.
Think that Lee fellow was spot on - wrong crisis for the PMs skill set.


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there were so many wrong calls during that period. doubt any single country got it right to a situation they never had any experiance of ever. having this enquiry will not turn the clock back but only giving ammunition to people who have a down on certain politicians and experts. just hope real lessons were learned for the future rather than having a blame game.


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This topic could be a bigger ‘slogfest’ than the Somme. I’m off bbolt

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 Post subject: Re: Why are we destroying everything for people who will any
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Jamie1952 wrote:
Boris Johnson allegedly asked why we are destroying the economy for people who will die anyway, the Covid inquiry has heard.
Just goes to shoe where we are in the pecking order yet some Tories still want Johnson as PM again.


If some people in the Tory party want to have Boris Johnson as their leader that is their choice and if he puts up for the job they have a right to vote for him. That's how it works. The same applies to all the other parties. What were you saying about topics that are stirring the shit. There is an inquiry going on Jamie. If people want to follow it then fine. I don't think we need a commentary.

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 Post subject: Re: Why are we destroying everything for people who will any
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:58 am 
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derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Boris Johnson allegedly asked why we are destroying the economy for people who will die anyway, the Covid inquiry has heard.
Just goes to shoe where we are in the pecking order yet some Tories still want Johnson as PM again.


If some people in the Tory party want to have Boris Johnson as their leader that is their choice and if he puts up for the job they have a right to vote for him. That's how it works. The same applies to all the other parties. What were you saying about topics that are stirring the shit. There is an inquiry going on Jamie. If people want to follow it then fine. I don't think we need a commentary.




Derwent no offence if you don’t like my thread don’t read it,I don’t read every thread or replies on the Bunker, some people (216 people have read it)maybe interested in it,how many people know about the enquiry, it will be 2026 before it comes out and the cost of millions to the taxpayer, us.


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 Post subject: Re: Why are we destroying everything for people who will any
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2023 12:54 pm 
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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Jamie1952 wrote:
Boris Johnson allegedly asked why we are destroying the economy for people who will die anyway, the Covid inquiry has heard.
Just goes to shoe where we are in the pecking order yet some Tories still want Johnson as PM again.


If some people in the Tory party want to have Boris Johnson as their leader that is their choice and if he puts up for the job they have a right to vote for him. That's how it works. The same applies to all the other parties. What were you saying about topics that are stirring the shit. There is an inquiry going on Jamie. If people want to follow it then fine. I don't think we need a commentary.






Derwent no offence if you don’t like my thread don’t read it,I don’t read every thread or replies on the Bunker, some people (216 people have read it)maybe interested in it,how many people know about the enquiry, it will be 2026 before it comes out and the cost of millions to the taxpayer, us.


It's not a case of not liking what you write Jamie, and I am not in a position to ignore it. As the moderator it is my job to monitor all posts in order to make sure there is no danger to the bunker and/or any of our members.
There is also a balance to be considered and when it comes to politics the danger is that, without control, a political battlefield is created in which the bunker is used by some as a medium to push their political agenda. You spend most of your time on here in that category but also suggest the removal of other posts which you are not in favour of. The bunker is a broad church in which all members can air their views and we want to keep it that way, which is why anything and every thing is discussed. All we ask for is civility and respect. There is an old saying about politics and religion in that it should be avoided. We don't go that far but it is monitored and rightly so. That's what I am doing.....monitoring it.

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 Post subject: Re: Why are we destroying everything for people who will any
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2023 1:03 pm 
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derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Boris Johnson allegedly asked why we are destroying the economy for people who will die anyway, the Covid inquiry has heard.
Just goes to shoe where we are in the pecking order yet some Tories still want Johnson as PM again.


If some people in the Tory party want to have Boris Johnson as their leader that is their choice and if he puts up for the job they have a right to vote for him. That's how it works. The same applies to all the other parties. What were you saying about topics that are stirring the shit. There is an inquiry going on Jamie. If people want to follow it then fine. I don't think we need a commentary.



Derwent no offence if you don’t like my thread don’t read it,I don’t read every thread or replies on the Bunker, some people (216 people have read it)maybe interested in it,how many people know about the enquiry, it will be 2026 before it comes out and the cost of millions to the taxpayer, us.


It's not a case of not liking what you write Jamie, and I am not in a position to ignore it. As the moderator it is my job to monitor all posts in order to make sure there is no danger to the bunker and/or any of our members.
There is also a balance to be considered and when it comes to politics the danger is that, without control, a political battlefield is created in which the bunker is used by some as a medium to push their political agenda. You spend most of your time on here in that category but also suggest the removal of other posts which you are not in favour of. The bunker is a broad church in which all members can air their views and we want to keep it that way, which is why anything and every thing is discussed. All we ask for is civility and respect. There is an old saying about politics and religion in that it should be avoided. We don't go that far but it is monitored and rightly so. That's what I am doing.....monitoring it.


The posts I was asking to be removed are by a member who only joined on the 23rd of October and appears to be s*** stirring. Yes I am very political but probably because I have loads of free time to watch that sort of stuff but my heart is with Pools.


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 Post subject: Re: Why are we destroying everything for people who will any
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2023 1:39 pm 
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Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Boris Johnson allegedly asked why we are destroying the economy for people who will die anyway, the Covid inquiry has heard.
Just goes to shoe where we are in the pecking order yet some Tories still want Johnson as PM again.


If some people in the Tory party want to have Boris Johnson as their leader that is their choice and if he puts up for the job they have a right to vote for him. That's how it works. The same applies to all the other parties. What were you saying about topics that are stirring the shit. There is an inquiry going on Jamie. If people want to follow it then fine. I don't think we need a commentary.



Derwent no offence if you don’t like my thread don’t read it,I don’t read every thread or replies on the Bunker, some people (216 people have read it)maybe interested in it,how many people know about the enquiry, it will be 2026 before it comes out and the cost of millions to the taxpayer, us.


It's not a case of not liking what you write Jamie, and I am not in a position to ignore it. As the moderator it is my job to monitor all posts in order to make sure there is no danger to the bunker and/or any of our members.
There is also a balance to be considered and when it comes to politics the danger is that, without control, a political battlefield is created in which the bunker is used by some as a medium to push their political agenda. You spend most of your time on here in that category but also suggest the removal of other posts which you are not in favour of. The bunker is a broad church in which all members can air their views and we want to keep it that way, which is why anything and every thing is discussed. All we ask for is civility and respect. There is an old saying about politics and religion in that it should be avoided. We don't go that far but it is monitored and rightly so. That's what I am doing.....monitoring it.


The posts I was asking to be removed are by a member who only joined on the 23rd of October and appears to be s*** stirring. Yes I am very political but probably because I have loads of free time to watch that sort of stuff but my heart is with Pools.


I know where your heart is Jamie, the same place as all Poolies at the end of the day.
Nowt wrong with being political but it's not everyone's cup of tea and there's always a line. The secret is knowing when to stop. Time and place and all that.
I am thinking ahead to the General election. Should we just let it run it's course, have a free for all, ban it or what. How many fence sitters will any of us actually influence with our hot air.
Maybe we, as we have done in the past, should create a separate section for political discussion during the GE but that doesn't help me as I sit in the middle refereeing the hot air. :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Why are we destroying everything for people who will any
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Derwent I don’t think us Bunkerites are that far apart when it comes to politics I think basically we are all the middle of the road type and can relate to what’s on the MSM for more or less the true facts about the economy.
What we are miles apart about is when it comes to the ownership of club, posters constantly plucking figures out of air about the clubs finances not knowing the real facts trying to drive the current out of the club which they appear to have succeeded in, we should create a separate section for that ?


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Derwent I don’t think us Bunkerites are that far apart when it comes to politics I think basically we are all the middle of the road type but we are miles apart when it comes to the ownership of club, maybe we should create a separate section for that ?


Apart from the basic principle on which the forum rests and that is Hartlepool United and, whereas politics is a sideline, all things Pools isn't.
If we demean or water down our core reason for being then we risk our uniqueness as a forum first and foremost to attract Poolies into one place.
If you think a general forum without a core purpose is warranted then you can always create one or join facebook.

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derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Derwent I don’t think us Bunkerites are that far apart when it comes to politics I think basically we are all the middle of the road type but we are miles apart when it comes to the ownership of club, maybe we should create a separate section for that ?


Apart from the basic principle on which the forum rests and that is Hartlepool United and, whereas politics is a sideline, all things Pools isn't.
If we demean or water down our core reason for being then we risk our uniqueness as a forum first and foremost to attract Poolies into one place.
If you think a general forum without a core purpose is warranted then you can always create one or join facebook.


I was blocked on the High Tax Hartlepool FB page, the admin fella who was a very good friend and some one I thought was a Labour supporter turned out to be s ‘closeted Tory’, he was also a brexiteer as most of the members were then and I wasn’t, he didn’t like my opinions so blocked me, I was told I was a troublemaker.There was also an element of jealousy but I won’t go into that.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Derwent I don’t think us Bunkerites are that far apart when it comes to politics I think basically we are all the middle of the road type but we are miles apart when it comes to the ownership of club, maybe we should create a separate section for that ?


Apart from the basic principle on which the forum rests and that is Hartlepool United and, whereas politics is a sideline, all things Pools isn't.
If we demean or water down our core reason for being then we risk our uniqueness as a forum first and foremost to attract Poolies into one place.
If you think a general forum without a core purpose is warranted then you can always create one or join facebook.


I was blocked on the High Tax Hartlepool FB page, the admin fella who was a very good friend and some one I thought was a Labour supporter turned out to be s ‘closeted Tory’, he was also a brexiteer as most of the members were then and I wasn’t, he didn’t like my opinions so blocked me, I was told I was a troublemaker.There was also an element of jealousy but I won’t go into that.

The face book page to which you refer has always had that view, does it matter what party they support ….?…..and what the feck has a local anti high tax Council website got to do with Brexit…..?
If you go on a bit on there they do…lots of websites do…it’s their website…
Where I do agree is your point about a separate page for the poolu politics about ownership, like a certain brand of basic fast food you can fiddle about with the same basic thing but it’s just repetitive.

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Jamie1952 wrote:
Derwent I don’t think us Bunkerites are that far apart when it comes to politics I think basically we are all the middle of the road type and can relate to what’s on the MSM for more or less the true facts about the economy.
What we are miles apart about is when it comes to the ownership of club, posters constantly plucking figures out of air about the clubs finances not knowing the real facts trying to drive the current out of the club which they appear to have succeeded in, we should create a separate section for that ?

for some reason many people get upset more by those with a different take on a political subject even more than those with pools agendas different from theirs unless they get a bit abusive. possibly because pools holds us all together more than any political party or subject does. must admit changes at pools have affected me more than a change of government has ever done. none has made me really richer or poorer or altered my lifestyle, YET.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Please, no more Covid stuff. ;)


That's truly shocking Snowy- and you should know better! refred

Jamie will tell you when it's finished and having only just started a new thread- clearly has plenty still to say! bbolt

I refer the gentleman to my previous post!!!! :laugh:


Covid is still rife in the U.K. that’s why the vulnerable are being vaccinated.
The thread is about how cynical Johnson was and whilst partying up in Downing Street whilst people were dying and he said let them as they are damaging the economy.[/quote]

He should have said "let them eat cake", Then we could have chopped his head off.
Would have bought a ticket to watch, He,s a scumbag.


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Covid is still rife in the U.K. that’s why the vulnerable are being vaccinated.
The thread is about how cynical Johnson was and whilst partying up in Downing Street whilst people were dying and he said let them as they are damaging the economy.


He should have said "let them eat cake", Then we could have chopped his head off.
Would have bought a ticket to watch, He,s a scumbag.[/quote]
i have disliked other PM both living and dead but none down to the level of johnson. the only thing i,m thankfull to him for is living up to what i always thought he was.


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Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Derwent I don’t think us Bunkerites are that far apart when it comes to politics I think basically we are all the middle of the road type but we are miles apart when it comes to the ownership of club, maybe we should create a separate section for that ?


Apart from the basic principle on which the forum rests and that is Hartlepool United and, whereas politics is a sideline, all things Pools isn't.
If we demean or water down our core reason for being then we risk our uniqueness as a forum first and foremost to attract Poolies into one place.
If you think a general forum without a core purpose is warranted then you can always create one or join facebook.


I was blocked on the High Tax Hartlepool FB page, the admin fella who was a very good friend and some one I thought was a Labour supporter turned out to be s ‘closeted Tory’, he was also a brexiteer as most of the members were then and I wasn’t, he didn’t like my opinions so blocked me, I was told I was a troublemaker.There was also an element of jealousy but I won’t go into that.

The face book page to which you refer has always had that view, does it matter what party they support ….?…..and what the feck has a local anti high tax Council website got to do with Brexit…..?
If you go on a bit on there they do…lots of websites do…it’s their website…
Where I do agree is your point about a separate page for the poolu politics about ownership, like a certain brand of basic fast food you can fiddle about with the same basic thing but it’s just repetitive.


High Tax Hartlepool was started by a fella called Steve Latimer, sadly he has since passed away, they raised issues about the goings on in the council and were partly responsible for Angie Wilcox where she embezzled money. HTH was despised by the Acker Belchers, Cranney and a few other long term Councillors exposing them for what they were.They were such a threat that their website was continually subject to ‘attacks’ and was taken down frequently.

They then changed their name to The Hartlepool Post and national threads started to be discussed when it started a FB page Brexit being one of them.and was a hotly contested topic on the FB page.
I am not bothered which party people support, it’s up to them but some one should be able to put their point of view across on a thread with out admin disagreeing then blocking you.


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